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View Poll Results: Toradora! - Episode 16 Rating
Perfect 10 108 61.02%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 47 26.55%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 10 5.65%
7 out of 10 : Good 8 4.52%
6 out of 10 : Average 3 1.69%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 1 0.56%
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Old 2009-01-21, 19:47   Link #21
LC
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Something like this:

Spoiler for Ami:
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Old 2009-01-21, 19:47   Link #22
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Great Episode, but it would be better if they put more Ami moments.
Is this all you people care about!?
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Old 2009-01-21, 20:03   Link #23
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l think l might have missed something....why did she say that?
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Old 2009-01-21, 20:08   Link #24
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Is this all you people care about!?
*facepalm*

though it's the sentiment of maybe one person thankfully in this thread. Yeah seriously we should make an Ami show.. someone want to do the drawings and scripts for it? :V All Ami all the time.

Spoiler for ep16 2nd half:
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Old 2009-01-21, 20:10   Link #25
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l think l might have missed something....why did she say that?
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Old 2009-01-21, 20:47   Link #26
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Is this all you people care about!?
Dude, aren't you kinda being just as bad? You're personally responding to each and every person that mentions it. I have a feeling this is going to be a looooong season for you.

In this episode, the cut/change wasn't as egregious as the previous by the way guys...

Spoiler:
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Old 2009-01-21, 22:21   Link #27
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Is this all you people care about!?
Yes. I adore Ami.

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Have to agree with the votes so far, great episode, made Kitamura way more plastic than he is usually described.I also liked the ultra deformated (animation wise) facial emotions just after the fight, that's really something you can't have in the novel.

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I couldn't agree more.
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Old 2009-01-21, 22:40   Link #28
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Old 2009-01-21, 22:46   Link #29
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Spoiler for It's mostly a Japanese thing:
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Old 2009-01-21, 23:03   Link #30
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That's a difference between East and West, I guess.

In the East, if two people want to come together, they would want to have the approval of everyone around them, their blessings, their support, their acceptance etc etc.

In the West, who cares?
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Old 2009-01-21, 23:08   Link #31
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All I know is that if they pulled a stunt like this on a US show, the station will be recieving complaints to no end.
It just wouldn't fly.
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Old 2009-01-22, 00:13   Link #32
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Dude, aren't you kinda being just as bad? You're personally responding to each and every person that mentions it. I have a feeling this is going to be a looooong season for you.
I'm only half serious. Still, marking down an episode JUST because a character you like isn't in it gets to me a little.
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Old 2009-01-22, 00:37   Link #33
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Dude, aren't you kinda being just as bad? You're personally responding to each and every person that mentions it. I have a feeling this is going to be a looooong season for you.

In this episode, the cut/change wasn't as egregious as the previous by the way guys...

Spoiler:
I can understand the feeling though and reaction though
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Old 2009-01-22, 01:09   Link #34
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I'm only half serious. Still, marking down an episode JUST because a character you like isn't in it gets to me a little.
Agreed, it *seems* to make the person not care about the story as long as "their character" is appearing.
I find Sumire fascinating but I have no desire to see the story shredded for her, nor would I be fond of a "popularity-driven" storyline that bounces around in response to polls.

"Never ending serial adventures" are down the hall...
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Old 2009-01-22, 01:32   Link #35
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It's quite misleading if you just put it like that. It keeps the shippers hopeful.

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Old 2009-01-22, 01:56   Link #36
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I would like to wonder if people still think the pace of this anime has compromised its meaning. Even with the skipping of so many scenes from the novel, it still manages to capture the emotions in their true glory. Whatever messages that JC staff can't fit into the 24mins, they make them subtle, or up to the viewers' interpretation. As far as I can tell, the series is solid, and few emotions, if any, have been lost.
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Old 2009-01-22, 02:00   Link #37
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From what I've read of the novel so far..... its a shame that they only got two seasons, they're doing a remarkable job of capturing the *spirit* of the story. Yet it is still only a dim reflection of the story.

In other words, they've done almost as well as one could hope given the constraints. If it gets people to buy the novels (or the manga) then its a flaming success.
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Old 2009-01-22, 02:14   Link #38
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It seems something which is given less to start out with and given less attention will always triumph over another which is bathed in funding and attention. Yes, if they ever create a season 3, I hope JC staff will create it with the same spirit as they did with the first two. With the increase in "attention", somehow it could get messy.

Toradora! is like a fantastic product, but not advertised or publicized a lot. Great, but will it sell great?
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Old 2009-01-22, 06:40   Link #39
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This is a general point, not specific to episode 16 but it addresses some comments I've seen in this thread.

Translating written works to drama, whether live action or animation is not an easy process. There are time constraints involved -- people I know who write screenplays for a living say that a page of text in a book on average equates to a minute of screen time, and I've read the same thing elsewhere. The makers of Toradora! have 24 episodes each with 20 minutes of story-time to fill -- that's 480 selected pages of text excerpted and modified to build into a consistent engaging story on screen. Something has to be cut at every step to make the anime work, and since different people like different bits of the novel storylines some of them are going to be disappointed as their favourites get the chop.

I've not read the light novels but the Wikipedia summary lists a bunch of characters who have not made the cut into the anime (Sumire's sister, for example). Sub-plots have been minimised (the homeroom teacher's love life) and details removed where they don't advance the story (Kitamura's motorcycle, the Sumire family's fear of snakes). These cuts are necessary to make space for the stuff that matters. That's just how it is, folks.
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Old 2009-01-22, 07:31   Link #40
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It's quite misleading if you just put it like that. It keeps the shippers hopeful.

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Huh? I'm not ignoring anything.

There's no text like that in the English translation of that scene:

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Nothing like what you described is mentioned (Ami being angry with Minori being carefree.), is there a problem with the wiki?
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