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Old 2009-02-02, 22:19   Link #161
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If he controls the movie, I forsee a more pro-Ranka vibe unless he is just too pressured by Sheryl-mania that he gives in.
I have a totally opposite point of view from you lol, probably I am in the opposite camp, but I am afraid that he will give in (I have no idea what the market is like in Japan, but since in here ppl keep saying Japanese favor Sheryl...I have no reason not to trust you guys right?? XD)

Come on, Kawamori, don't give up, just try to create your own product, and if that's the case, I will accept whatever ending he will produce (Well, I can always go back to the series in case for the worst case scenario...at least in series everyone is happy except Micheal...and Klan)
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Old 2009-02-02, 22:22   Link #162
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Let's just wait for the movie and see the answers (if given). Although, I still stand by my own belief. *shrug*
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Old 2009-02-02, 22:32   Link #163
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I have a totally opposite point of view from you lol, probably I am in the opposite camp, but I am afraid that he will give in (I have no idea what the market is like in Japan, but since in here ppl keep saying Japanese favor Sheryl...I have no reason not to trust you guys right?? XD)
But it's not like Ranka is unpopular in Japan. She has a large fanbase there too.
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Old 2009-02-02, 22:38   Link #164
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But it's not like Ranka is unpopular in Japan. She has a large fanbase there too.
Thanks for the info!!!! Well in here (AS), all the news and image I get about Macross is pretty one-sided...and I don't know a damn kanji?? about Japanese...


Well, a director of macross should not give in to any side in my opinion...I know it's a very fine line between listening to good opinion and giving in to others, but if he likes polygamy that much, then don't be afraid to put that concept into the movie again
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Old 2009-02-02, 22:44   Link #165
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If Kawamori is more than willing to singe or dent (at the very least) his reputation with another troll, then by all means, he is welcome to. LOL
Not all people are keen on another Macross 7.
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Old 2009-02-03, 00:11   Link #166
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If I could write to Kawamori I would in an instant (of course a lot of you would as well xD) I've said this before and I'll say it again, I really don't mind what ending we get, whether it be a AltoxSheryl ending or a AltoxRanka ending, I just want to triangle resolved. I might be a Ranka fan but I'm the type of person that can't stand having no one bit of closure. When it comes to movies and series, I need to have a sense of closure to be satisfied (Although Macross Frontier was an exception because I still enjoyed the series despite the ending) and of course most of the questions answered which is another bone I have to pick with the series. Everyone has their own interpretations to the LT but when it comes down to it, Kawamori is the only person that can satisfy one of the sides. I can settle for Ranka having her character improved in the series though, then I wouldn't mind being trolled again since I'll be anticipating it this time around
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Old 2009-02-03, 02:38   Link #167
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It would be a bit dissapointing if we have an Alto X Ranka ending...because there's more Sheryl fans than Ranka fans...because sheryl was created with the aim to have a fairly large fan base( further described in the Sheryl topic). Not to mention that most of the ppl thinks that the Triangle almost resolved at the end of the show(to Sheryl's) side(most of the anime newbies, Sheryl fans and some other ppl thinks that...that's a realy good portion of the viewers). So if they're going to do a Ranka X Alto ending it would be dissapointing to them...exept if Ranka have some very SERIOUS development and it makes clear that Alto x Sheryl pairing is not possible in the movie(but if they're going to do this that way then the fans will start complaining about the huge differences in the TV show and the Movie's plot...)
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Old 2009-02-03, 02:53   Link #168
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It's obvious that Minmei is the love of Kawamori's life, ignore the looks of the director... Bilrer was Kawamori in this show with the lol Minmei locket. heck he gave his intended ending for the original Macross to this show. Ranka was clearly Minmei in Kawamori's eyes, Sheryl was made originally because it would be cool for Minmei to have an older sister type figure...

Anyway my point is that if Kawamori wouldn't change the result of the original Macross in DYRL when he clearly favors Minmei over Misa "I only existed because they wouldn't let us have a female Captain Global" Hayase... (is this where Minmei fans go lol @ Misa's origins like Ranka fans have been doing for Sheryl?) than I don't expect him to change the result to Ranka. You also have to factor in that Minmei was massive in Japan, clearly bigger than Ranka and even Sheryl who is more popular than Ranka. Minmei made Mari Iijima a star, Ranka's VA can't even get in the top ten of the daily charts in a slow/weak sales week.

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Not to mention that most of the ppl thinks that the Triangle almost resolved at the end of the show(to Sheryl's) side(most of the anime newbies, Sheryl fans and some other ppl thinks that...that's a realy good portion of the viewers.
A lot of Ranka fans thought it was going to go to Sheryl as well... quite a few Ranka fans were bitching towards the end of the series about how one sided the triangle has been in the second half.... gotta love revisionist history...
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Old 2009-02-03, 03:02   Link #169
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because sheryl was created with the aim to have a fairly large fan base( further described in the Sheryl topic).
Now that is a false accusation/thoughts Kawamori himself already admitted that he didn't realize Sheryl's potential, she is only supposed to be a big sister type for Ranka at first, but of course it was changed and we get the Sheryl that we all love now.

Main point is, Sheryl is not the one who were created with that aim, it was actually Ranka. See... Loli, moe, fang, "Kira~!", focus on the series, more songs composed for her (tbh, it is related to NakaMegu too)...

Now I must run... I think I will be attacked like how it happened in the club... Not that I have changed my mind about the ending being triangular/draw/no-pairing end :x
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LOL...good to know...so Sheryl's "perfect pop star" type character was just a mistake?It's funny but when i first watched the series i tought until the 14-15th episode that it will be Ranka's win at the end(because of my "anime experience" most propably) and then i considered more and more the possibility of Sheryl ending(or false Ranka ending where Sheryl's gonna die as Alto's first love and he slowly begin a new life with Ranka). Clearly after episode 14 Sheryl become more and more popular in my eyes...

Question: if i'm not mistaken in the original script was a clear Sheryl X Alto ending...true?
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Old 2009-02-03, 03:46   Link #171
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Question: if i'm not mistaken in the original script was a clear Sheryl X Alto ending...true?
If by original script you meant pre-series script (the planning scenario/script), Nope. It was supposed to be a Brera x Ranka x Alto triangle script. No one knows and probably will never know if Ranka and Alto will end up together in that script though... And if we were to judge from that too, initially Brera was not supposed to be Ranka's brother too. :x

If you meant Ohnogi's script for Episode 25, I don't know if it even exists
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Question: if i'm not mistaken in the original script was a clear Sheryl X Alto ending...true?
Original script was 2 guys, one girl like in Macross Plus with Alto and Brera fighting it out over Ranka. Sheryl was a minor character who was to be a sister/mentor figure to Ranka. That got changed pretty much as soon as Hiroyuki Yoshino (who did Series Composition and the script for Frontier) read the script, he thought it would be boring doing the 2 guys 1 girl angle so he wanted to elevate Sheryl to the main triangle and Kawamori went with that.

This sort of stuff is pretty common, like I said in my previous post Misa Hayase wasn't even suppose to exist in Macross. She was only turned into a character once someone (tv station maybe?) denied Kawamori from having a female captain of the Macross. Due to that he made Global and made Misa in her role.

In Gundam SEED Fllay was suppose to pilot Strike Rogue not Cagalli, Kira was suppose to die in the end, Dearka only switched sides because his gundam sales were the lowest of the five. In it's sequel it's obvious kira wasn't suppose to have such a prominent role... only because Shinn was a failure of a lead (great move by Fuduka in having all the Cagalli fans pissed at Shinn in the first few eps...) Kira took over.
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You know, this is kind of amazing that the original setting got scrapped and the 'other' plan that got animated became more popular. I really don't know if I would really want to watch Frontier with Brera and Alto fighting over Ranka. Lack of motivation along with no interest for the characters.
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I have no problem with the 2 guys 1 girl type triangle but with Ranka being that girl...I think that kind of triangles needs more mature female leads...and ranka's look+mature personalty can cause the same kind of cathastrophe as the matter-antimatter collosion XD.
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Old 2009-02-03, 05:26   Link #175
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Now I must run... I think I will be attacked like how it happened in the club... Not that I have changed my mind about the ending being triangular/draw/no-pairing end :x
I just wanted to bring you into the light that is Sheryl X Alto.
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You know, this is kind of amazing that the original setting got scrapped and the 'other' plan that got animated became more popular. I really don't know if I would really want to watch Frontier with Brera and Alto fighting over Ranka. Lack of motivation along with no interest for the characters.
I can honestly say I would probably not have watched it, if it had gone this way. Especially since so much damn time was wasted on the LT. If it was more action/galaxy plot/vajra with just a touch of romance, then I might consider watching such a thing. But with MF so romance heavy....yeah, there's no way I would have gone for the 2 guys 1 girl thing with Ranka as the main female. Her loli-moeness is just a huge point against her for me.
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Old 2009-02-06, 16:18   Link #177
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I can honestly say I would probably not have watched it, if it had gone this way. Especially since so much damn time was wasted on the LT. If it was more action/galaxy plot/vajra with just a touch of romance, then I might consider watching such a thing. But with MF so romance heavy....yeah, there's no way I would have gone for the 2 guys 1 girl thing with Ranka as the main female. Her loli-moeness is just a huge point against her for me.
But, why not? I mean, the setup of Macross Plus was basically the same and was quite interesting. People tend to forget that Macross' producers are romance specialists. I believe also that in a Brera-Alto-Ranka triangle the characterization had been much different, which had made the triangle much more interesting to watch.

In fact, I consider that in all macross series the romance aspect has been well executed, even in M7 (despite Basara's choice).

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Old 2009-02-07, 03:14   Link #178
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Just because for that kind of triangles we need a somewhat mature female lead who in fact admirable in sense of looks and actions...Ranka was too childish to fit into that image...Perhaps a love triangle with a character like Sheryl as female lead could be good, but that's another matter...
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The thing is we have no idea what Ranka would even look like if they went with the original concept, she might look like a younger version of Ranshe than what we eventually got. And it's a given that the character personalities would be different.
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The thing is we have no idea what Ranka would even look like if they went with the original concept, she might look like a younger version of Ranshe than what we eventually got. And it's a given that the character personalities would be different.
Yeah, totally different storylines, IŽd say. Otherwise, would Alto have been the character permanently to be rescued by Ranka?
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