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Old 2009-02-14, 10:29   Link #41
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I found both yaoi and yuri to be really similar to the traditional het relationship model which we can see in women-oriented mainstream culture. Which is disappointing.

By the way, not all men in yaoi act like women. The 'top' usually acts like a son of a bitch. I mean, like an extremely authoritative and dominating male. The 'bottom' often makes an impression of being girlish, and also generally weak in a non-gender-related way.

Me, I'd like to see a dominating female lead for once. What can I say, my idea of a perfect girl is Lina Inverse.
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Old 2009-02-14, 12:24   Link #42
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Hi all!

Just wondering which you guys prefer and why?
Is it true that guys like yuri and girls like yaoi more?
Seems like yaoi is more talked about, but do you all think equates to it being more popular?

Simply put, IMHO, in the same way most people read thin Harlequin paperbacks, watching or reading stories about yaoi or yuri is escapism (yes, even Marimite has a "fantasy" school with systems and standards that doesn't have a real world equivalent), to turn off reality for even for a while, either to satisfy one's need for drama, lust or adventure, or in some cases, to see if the story manages to depict homosexuality in a proper light.

Of course there's only a few smart yuri and yaoi titles out there, in a sea of rub-a-dub-servicey tripe. Which is why there are sites like Okazu and some other good critics to help separate the wheat from the chaff.

One final question to you, the threadstarter: after all we've given our answers, have you read them all? Um, and another thing, have you finished the "study"?

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Old 2009-02-14, 12:58   Link #43
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I'm not sure why the OP's question was formed as a "versus" ..... from what I've seen, a great many are fans of both. Myself, I don't "go looking" for either but if a story is good and happens to feature it - it doesn't either scare me off or get me extra interested. For example, the implied yuri in the Nanoha series wasn't what drew me to it but it becomes an interesting part of the story. I'm trying to think of a story with yaoi in it but really only specific special characters come to mind not necessarily connected to yaoi (e.g. Leeron in TTGL or Seiko-chan in Lov*Com). As it is, yaoi seems to be played for laughs in most of the series I encounter (e.g. Akikan! or Soul Eater).
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Old 2009-02-14, 13:03   Link #44
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From my understanding both Yaoi and Yuri fans are primarily females. Females tend to be more tolerant of these issues than men are. Men (myself included) in general only like Yuri porn, its kinda like a "cut the crap and lets get to the good parts", kinda like how Peter Griffin from family guy would fast foward through a chick flick in hopes of seeing a nipple. But this is just my opinion formed from viewing those around me.
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Old 2009-02-14, 13:10   Link #45
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Im into yaoi/shounen-ai more then yuri/shoujo-ai but if I see something I like Ill watch/read it. Yaoi is nice since it plays on a fangirl's dream TWO HAWT BISHIES (or more). Im straight and I like it. Im open to all sorts of stuff. Funny thing is most yaoi is totally cliche but kami help me, I eat it all up

I think yaoi is more maybe not necessary popular but more main stream then yuri since girls voice there fangirling more then guys. But I do see more refs to games intended for guys then BL games for girls, though I know both exist but it seems anime/manga wise, yaoi is published more. This is just what Ive noticed, I could be wrong. I only know of a few popular BL games for girls but I know more aimed for guys.
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Old 2009-02-14, 13:23   Link #46
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Very good points on matters on both sides of the fence.

In the case of different yuri and shoujo-ai titles I peruse, it depends on what I need for: if I want something the equivalent of a one-night-stand, I play that copy of Strawberry Panic; if I need a really good "WTF" mindscrew, Utena applies there; and if I want to relax with a cup of tea, of course, Marimite perfectly complements that.

Me... what's really important is that any show, yuri or no yuri, has to entertain well without having to insult my intelligence.
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Old 2009-02-14, 13:44   Link #47
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its kinda like a "cut the crap and lets get to the good parts", kinda like how Peter Griffin from family guy would fast foward through a chick flick in hopes of seeing a nipple.
And this is exactly what I don't like about the majority of stuff that's classfied as yaoi/yuri. They're basically just a few pages of smut or a completely cliché, dull story with a feeble and totally predictable plot, if there's even a plot at all. Personally, I don't go out of my way to find yaoi or yuri because it just bores me.

I prefer series that have subtle or implied shounen-ai/shoujo-ai and actually have decent plots. I loved Utena and Anthy's relationship in Revolutionary Girl Utena, and I did like the yuri in Nanoha. Miharu and Yoite's whole dynamic in Nabari no Ou is sweet (although tragic), and Kaworu and Shinji's relationship in Evangelion is fascinating in both the manga and anime. In short, I just like same-sex relationships in anime and manga to be the same as heterosexual relationships: interesting, well-developed, and believable.
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Old 2009-02-14, 13:58   Link #48
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Ah!!!! Utena no Kata.... THAT's the series I was trying to think of. I watched it with absolutely no prior clue of the content -- and yes, it held me in thrall til the end.

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In short, I just like same-sex relationships in anime and manga to be the same as heterosexual relationships: interesting, well-developed, and believable.
Aye, I find most hard-core doujinshi I've checked out to be total crap -- the characters don't even act like themselves, little or no story.... really quite a waste of drawing talent.
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Aye, I find most hard-core doujinshi I've checked out to be total crap -- the characters don't even act like themselves, little or no story.... really quite a waste of drawing talent.
Thats the problem with alot of doujinshi since its what the fanartist/doujinka wants to see so most of the time the characters come off totally OOC which may or may not work. Ive found a hand full of really well done doujins that actually keep the main characters close to what the manga/anime did. Amatou who normally does Katekyo Hitman Reborn stuff may teeter on OOC but manage to keep a lot of the traits of the characters. Plus her art is amazing *_*

Im with blue skies, I really do prefer implied BL since it makes your mind wander a bit more then if youre actually staring at it. Or characters that just have a close/heart felt or even possessive relationship (thinking Ciel and Sebastian for the latter one), even though its not suppose to be there, you can get innuendos

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In short, I just like same-sex relationships in anime and manga to be the same as heterosexual relationships: interesting, well-developed, and believable.
Very very good point.
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Old 2009-02-14, 15:47   Link #50
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Yuri. Being a straight guy, I prefer to see two girls getting it on. Which isn't to say that I necessarily hate yaoi, but I only care for it when its used for comedic subtext.

I actually haven't seen very many shows which had obvious yuri rather than subtext, but I did see Simoun and it ended up being one of my favourite shows of the last few years.
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Old 2009-02-14, 16:20   Link #51
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Ah!!!! Utena no Kata.... THAT's the series I was trying to think of. I watched it with absolutely no prior clue of the content -- and yes, it held me in thrall til the end.


Aye, I find most hard-core doujinshi I've checked out to be total crap -- the characters don't even act like themselves, little or no story.... really quite a waste of drawing talent.

Well, doujin is ment to sometimes take characters out of character. I've seen some where a GAR character is put to play patty cake with a moe.
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Old 2009-02-14, 21:40   Link #52
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I'm a guy and i love yuri anime/manga for the reasons already stated by some, erotica. Haven't seen any yaoi; the closest thing i've seen to it is Princess Princess which involved gender bending (another favourite of mine).

I hardly ever see yaoi talked about on the Suggestions forum. On the other hand, yuri shows like Maria-sama ga miteru and Strawberry panic i see frequently mentioned there.
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Old 2009-02-15, 01:03   Link #53
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I don't like generalisations about much of anything really, so I don't really agree with the "straight guys prefer yuri, straight girls prefer yaoi" assertion.

I'm female and I like yaoi, yuri and hetero relationships in anime, as long as they are represented well, and are touching.

I find that yaoi and yuri shows have different themes predominantly, which may appeal to others in different ways. It's already been commented on before, but on the whole, yuri tends to have much more balanced relationships. (Part of the reason I found Strawberry Panic! so interesting was because they perverted that theme with the 'main couple') But the whole, the partners appear to be much more equal than in some of the yaoi shows I've seen, where power struggles are a recurring theme.

The intimacy and care in some of the yaoi shows I've seen is really moving, and it explores much more intricately how the differences in relationships can be a blessing and a curse at times. They also seem to go a little more deeply into exploring the sexual side of relationships, not just the emotional. That said, and as also previously mentioned, some of the borderline rape scenes in yaoi get a little hard to handle at times, which can decrease my enjoyment quite significantly.

Both also suffer from stereotypes. For yaoi, it's the "older, mature, predatory" male with the "younger, cuter, effeminate" partner, and the relationship switches to sexual very quickly. For yuri, it's the curse of the "All-girl's school" and the ojousama/normal girl pairing, often with a more dragged out romantic arc before the couple gets together.

I'm pretty open-minded, and from my observations girls do tend to be a little more likely to branch out into yuri than men do into yaoi, but again, that's a generalisation, so feel free to correct me at any time.
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Both also suffer from stereotypes. For yaoi, it's the "older, mature, predatory" male with the "younger, cuter, effeminate" partner, and the relationship switches to sexual very quickly. For yuri, it's the curse of the "All-girl's school" and the ojousama/normal girl pairing, often with a more dragged out romantic arc before the couple gets together.
I think that's been my primary complaint about the little yaoi I've encountered.... the story and character development are pretty weak (straight to the sex, whee :P). Also the stereotypes you mention are a bit of a put-off. Something set in a time period where it was normal (e.g. elder warrior and his squire pre-christian) might be more tolerable.
With the yuri.... the 'girls school setting' isn't so bothersome; in Japan its not unusual for girls to at least platonically bond that way in such settings (or so I've read) but one might expect to see two "newbie" girls teaming up more often. OTOH, the character development is quite a bit more up to par, though I tend to loathe the "ojousama" archetype in almost any setting. I think its the laugh they tend to use in anime .... o.O
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My brain flinches at yaoi.... but given the right kind of story and context it might survive the impact.
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I'm pretty open-minded, and from my observations girls do tend to be a little more likely to branch out into yuri than men do into yaoi, but again, that's a generalisation, so feel free to correct me at any time.
Guys getting into yaoi might happen if there's an anime where some male lead has a harem of bishoujo traps!

Though I REALLY love for yuri plots to go beyond the all-girl school setting and genderbending/crossdressing gimmicks. Seriously, Japan you could pull off a perfect opportunity of a yuri anime series if it resides in the female idol industry! Which reminds me, has there been a true yuri anime series that's been a best DVD seller in Japan?
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Old 2009-02-15, 08:59   Link #56
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i am a guy and not interested in both kind of stories,especially yaoi

i prefer guyxgirl story

(speaking about doujin,there are tons of nge doujins out there,some are either reixasuka or shinjixkaworu.i just hate doujin made this way)
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Yuri because im not a homosexual D:
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Which reminds me, has there been a true yuri anime series that's been a best DVD seller in Japan?
There has never been a true yuri anime to begin with.
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Yuri because of the fact that I am straight and usually two girls are very entertaining to watch. I do have a problem with Yaoi itself, it's just it comes with negative stereotype.

The "Gay Male" on television is usually depicted having an unsatiable sexual appetite that works for just about anyone who passes him by. And it much less settling for men because it's only there to fill in pleasure or primal needs. It feels like I rarely watch any shows with a male/male relationship and they have a deep, long-lasting history because of their common traits or activities. It's always sex, sex, sex.

While with Lesbians on the other hand, I've seen more series where there's just more of a romantic feel. It feels pure and NEVER shallow. So in a way, I also tend to yuri because it has more of a relaxed feel. Like, they would be a couple that you would have no problem hanging out with because they don't have a sudden urge to have sex on the table.

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In Japan, it is mostly considered that both appeal to females. Polls have shown that men don't like uri because they like a male lead who they can relate to. Yaoi appeals to most females as well as gay men, whereas yuri only really appeals to gay females. Because the audience is so small, there is very very little yuri while there is a shittonfuckassload of yaoi.
I find that...rather odd just because of the males who are usually in those situations. They are either dramatic, over-the-top main characters with amazing talent or they are the loser-like everyman who you just don't care about. It doesn't make sense why you would want to follow them because the girls in those series tend to be more dynamic and interesting. Especially with the later.

In a harem series...why do you suppose only the women of the series appear on promotional posters and scans? Why does the show seem to focus more on the eccentricities on the girls more than the male lead himself? It's like...why do we need a man in that equation in the first place?
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I find that...rather odd just because of the males who are usually in those situations. They are either dramatic, over-the-top main characters with amazing talent or they are the loser-like everyman who you just don't care about. It doesn't make sense why you would want to follow them because the girls in those series tend to be more dynamic and interesting. Especially with the later.

In a harem series...why do you suppose only the women of the series appear on promotional posters and scans? Why does the show seem to focus more on the eccentricities on the girls more than the male lead himself? It's like...why do we need a man in that equation in the first place?
It's not odd at all, because the male protagonist is not meant to be an object of desire, but rather a self insertion. The girls are more interesting and they are the object of desire, but the male lead is needed because that's the point of view of the audience.

Not surprisingly, moe-loli-bishojo anime always targets to the Otaku, who are adult male with no social life whatsoever. They truly are the "male lead".

But when it comes to yuri, well, there really isn't any actual yuri anime. Yuri as a genre is a manga thing: Yuri Hime, Yuri Hime S, and Tsubomi are the only manga magazines publishing yuri. Other than that, there are a few yuri manga being serialized in seinen magazines (Girl Friends and Sasameki Koto for example) and yuri one-shots appears regularly in shoujo manga magazines.

IIRC the readership of yuri manga in Japan is estimated to be 60% male, 40% female, and not all these girls/women are gay. On the other hand, not all the male readers are Otaku, which is the reason you don't see any anime adapted from these manga.
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