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Old 2009-02-16, 11:20   Link #1021
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Anti-mystery x Anti-fantasy:


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With this, bern's letter and lamda's memoirs, it's over with EP3

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The stakes' valentine day (Butterfly kiss) is related to EP4.
Let's leave it for later.
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Old 2009-02-16, 11:52   Link #1022
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Bern's letter, Lamba's memoirs and anti-fantasy vs anti-mistery, were tips of Ep3, or some extra content of the game? Like a paper book i mean, not extra doc files found on the cd
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Old 2009-02-16, 12:15   Link #1023
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booklets given at comiket or such... don't remember anymore
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Old 2009-02-16, 12:17   Link #1024
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I'm not sure where Anti-mystery x Anti-fantasy came from but Bern's letter and Lamda's memoirs were an extra that came with the comiket version of Ep 3... I think.
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Old 2009-02-16, 12:23   Link #1025
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anti fantasy, anti mystery came together with bern's letter, and the poems
wherever they were distributed, whatever format...
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Old 2009-02-16, 12:45   Link #1026
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Old 2009-02-16, 12:51   Link #1027
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What is the Last Part Queen Problem?
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Old 2009-02-16, 14:16   Link #1028
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Well I also tried to form a bigger picture on Umineko, just like I did back then with Higurashi, and I think I will fail just as much in getting to the truth as I did while only knowing the Question Arcs to Higurashi.
I have to admit that I did not read Episode 4 yet, so maybe some of my points are crushed in the first few minutes, but I still want to point them out...if only to maybe give other people another point of view, because I know how easy it is to get stuck in a theory.

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So maybe we do not have to search for things that are similar in every episode, but things that seem to change without iminent impact on the events happening and thus seem odd to change.

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Old 2009-02-16, 15:24   Link #1029
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Spoiler for My thoughts on a few characters:

I think we can agree that there is more than one culprit in any of the games. I also think that some of the murders could be accidental or passionate murders, disguised to look like they're following the pattern. (e.g. Eva goes into a rampage and accidentally kills George in her rage).

I might be wrong, but I don't think we should apply the red truth for every EP. There could be 'multiple truths', and just as well, 'multiple lies'. The rule of There's no more than 18 people in Rokkenjima, could only apply to the EP it was used in. I might be wrong, feel free to shoot me down.
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Old 2009-02-16, 17:13   Link #1030
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The cousins never die because of Maria's charms!! Uu-uu!!

Hum.... Here's the first part of my analysis of episode 2.

Episode 2 :
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Old 2009-02-16, 19:41   Link #1031
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The chapel incident in Episode 2 is still quite a mystery.
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We still need to find a starting point why someone in the family should start killing, so a friend and I got the idea that we need something equally normal and exchangable like the scrapbooks the characters in Higurashi got from Takano.

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Old 2009-02-16, 20:01   Link #1032
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We still need to find a starting point why someone in the family should start killing, so a friend and I got the idea that we need something equally normal and exchangable like the scrapbooks the characters in Higurashi got from Takano.

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Interesting thought.

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Old 2009-02-16, 20:08   Link #1033
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Must not click the ep.4 spoilers...Must be strong!

Anyone else scared Ryukishi07's mental state after reading this Anti-mystery x Anti-fantasy thingie? It was quite creepy in a way.

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It was probably a valid solution to the readers who had finished reading until 'Meakashi-hen' but, at the time of 'Watanagashi-hen', it was impossible to deduce that.
Really?
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Old 2009-02-16, 22:12   Link #1034
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Spoiler for Motives and Alibis:

Spoiler for Higurashi <> Umineko:


Spoiler for On Natsuhi:

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Old 2009-02-17, 01:45   Link #1035
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The chapel incident in Episode 2 is still quite a mystery.
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Spoiler for Episode 2:


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Old 2009-02-17, 06:24   Link #1036
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This is a big spoiler, so read under your own discretion.
The question itself is already quite spoilerish and it was (as far as I can guess) caused by unmarked spoiler for ep.4, so can you continue in the ep.4 thread, please?

Natsuhi's possible motive is, in my opinion, her desire to see Jessica succeed Kinzo.

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Old 2009-02-17, 10:38   Link #1037
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Im in need of some help!
I passed 3 episodes of Umineko, and I still dont get some things:
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Old 2009-02-17, 11:08   Link #1038
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Im in need of some help!
I passed 3 episodes of Umineko, and I still dont get some things:
Spoiler for Umineko chess boards:
There's only one chessboard, the one Battler and Beatrice play with, that chessboard resets everytime another game starts. The tea parties are supposedly part of the meta-world, but they're more like....additions or omakes or epilogues, so you can see what happens after the game as over or behind the curtains of the game.
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Old 2009-02-17, 11:31   Link #1039
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So, you are saying that the only chessboard is the one in the meta-world we see in the normal game, but do you have any explanation as to why
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Old 2009-02-17, 11:59   Link #1040
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So, you are saying that the only chessboard is the one in the meta-world we see in the normal game, but do you have any explanation as to why
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Well, why would Battler be in the room where stuff about how the game works is being discussed? It's a private conversation (supposedly). Frederica and Lambdadelta don't join because it's not their game to play, between them (Bern and Beato) they're playing a game to see whether Battler surrenders or not, but it's not the same chessboard as Beato and Battler.
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