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Old 2009-02-23, 05:42   Link #1081
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Ah thanx Ace! So the kanji used definitely refers to "ningen", there's no mistake about that.

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I just don't like this thing of 'furniture is no human'.

If you take that into consideration, you open up 3 seats (Genji, Shannon and Kanon) for mysterious people to wander around the island. Rather inelegant I'd say.
If we don't believe magic, obviously the 3 of them are humans.
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No obviously Genji Shannon and Kanon are "human" or at the very least they are "people" since that is implicit in the red truth.

However since they are included in the 18, then what about the other furnitures?

If furnitures qualify as "people" then the stakes and the siestas can't possibly exist on rokkenjima.

If they do not qualify as people then Beatrice has practically indirectly admitted that Shannon Genji and Kanon are not furnitures. that happened when she said:

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Old 2009-02-23, 10:30   Link #1084
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I don't know if this would really count as important but,

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Old 2009-02-23, 13:55   Link #1085
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Very nice discussion thread ^_^ Pardon me, I only read the last two pages but they were definitely worth it. My post will contain strange, messed-up thoughts and I'm new to AS, so if there is any mouth I accidentally put my foot in, please let me know.

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Old 2009-02-23, 15:23   Link #1087
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Heh. The boards can be brutal.

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Old 2009-02-23, 15:43   Link #1088
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Old 2009-02-23, 18:40   Link #1090
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Old 2009-02-24, 02:27   Link #1091
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I just remembered one more thing that bothered me,
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Old 2009-02-24, 05:11   Link #1092
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Old 2009-02-24, 10:49   Link #1095
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There was this theory going on about Battler did not exist...

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Old 2009-02-24, 11:21   Link #1097
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Lol this is an interesting theory but i doubt it's true. I did notice the grandson part, but soon afterwards i think she then said "the oldest grandson". Anyway

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Old 2009-02-24, 17:24   Link #1099
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Lol this is an interesting theory but i doubt it's true. I did notice the grandson part, but soon afterwards i think she then said "the oldest grandson". Anyway

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Old 2009-02-24, 18:07   Link #1100
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-The only extra seat was Maria's dad and filled by Dr.Nanjo, however, where's Ange's seat?

Even if Ange cannot make it to the Meeting, they should still leave a spot for her as a symbol
Er, why exactly? Rosa's husband seat is left empty most likely in order for Kinzo or Krauss to make a point how dumb Rosa is. What's the point of leaving Ange's seat empty just because she happened to be ill?

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Eva stated that George is the ONLY grandson in the family
What about Battler? Did she intentionally left him out?
Other reasons aside, even if the Battler we see is fake, how come Eva would know about that...and some time before the murderous events to boot. The obvious explanation that at the time Battler was no contender for a future head of the family due to the conflict with his father and also said father being younger than Krauss and Eva. So Eva probably couldn't care less about him.

Anyway, I am really, really against this theory. I don't see how any-self respecting author would write a mystery where the main character will time and again think of himself as a certain character and then it will turn out he is actually an imposter. If we didn't have tons of Battler's point of views, it would still have been a very, very improbable theory. And last but not least, Battler has a soldi alibi for many of the murders.
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