AnimeSuki Forums

Register Forum Rules FAQ Members List Social Groups Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   AnimeSuki Forum > Anime Discussion > Older Series > Retired > Toradora!

Notices

View Poll Results: Toradora! - Episode 23 Rating
Perfect 10 86 50.89%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 52 30.77%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 16 9.47%
7 out of 10 : Good 8 4.73%
6 out of 10 : Average 3 1.78%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.59%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 3 1.78%
Voters: 169. You may not vote on this poll

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old 2009-03-13, 14:25   Link #161
kk2extreme
Your wife is hot...
 
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: At your house fixing A/C
the whole ya-chan and ruuji scenes are supposed to be sad, but i dont feel that sad because of clannad
kk2extreme is online now  
Old 2009-03-13, 14:31   Link #162
SageGaiGar
You are Next
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: NE USA
Quote:
Originally Posted by weksa View Post
Something to add on to the talk about Ami, though it's fairly obvious (points 1+2):

(1)
R: "Besides, you'll disappoint everyone if you leave. Everyone adores you..."
A: "...Actually, I'd be happy if it wasn't everyone."

Sure it's interesting to ponder her feelings about Ryuuji (and Taiga), but that acknowledgment also shows the striking contrast between when she first arrived and now. Previously, she put on that facade to please everyone. Now she doesn't even care about everyone anymore, e.g. she refuses to model for the school uniform pamphlet because she no longer cares about pleasing everyone.

(2) Segueing into this next point, there's also the contrast between how she reacted to modeling for the school uniform pamphlet vs. "modeling" for Taiga's chocolates. She does it for Taiga. Like some of the previous comments, this makes me lean toward thinking that [the quote in #1] is not so much about Ami's romantic feelings for Ryuuji (or perhaps lack thereof) as it is realizing how special Ryuuji and Taiga are to her.

(3)
A: "I watched Taiga get hurt and understood her pain. I thought that, since I understood her, I'd save her if no one else did, or something like that. Now I realize that everything would sort itself out if I left."

Questions:
(a) What is Ami's understanding of Taiga's pain, specifically?
(b) Is this pain something that Ami has similarly experienced, or is it just that Ami recognizes it with her amazing perceptive abilities?
(c) What's the "everything" that would sort itself out, the relationship mess, right?
(d) And how would Ami's leaving solve that? Or actually, the better question would be, what is it that would sort everything out? She realizes she doesn't need to help Taiga because some factor will do it... what is it? That there's no way in heck the situation will remain the way it is? That an explosion is bound to occur, as per the one at the end of this episode?
For (a):
At the core, I think it's the pain of being lonely. Other element perhaps being in love or just having an affection for someone who's clueless to it. More to the point, she didn't seem to be the kind of person with many friends before this. She likely 'knew' a lot of people but I doubt she was actually friends with anyone before going to the new school.
(b) She recognizes where her similiarities are with Taiga.
(c) Yeah, she felt that she's been more of a bother than a help, 'getting in their way'. Her efforts to try and assist backfiring on a few occasions. Classic example of interference not always working out.
(d) Well leaving the situation would 'let it go its natural course'. But not really, she's already gotten herself too involved.

Her efforts have had an effect, even if she wishes to deny or ignore it.

And that explosion has happened, with the aftermath coming up in the next episodes.
SageGaiGar is offline  
Old 2009-03-13, 14:33   Link #163
Kaisos Erranon
Homo Ludens
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canada
Age: 24
I think Ami really wanted to just be an observer and a manipulator, but got too emotionally involved in it herself.

Magnificent Bastard failure.
__________________
Kaisos Erranon is offline  
Old 2009-03-13, 14:41   Link #164
BetoJR
D-d-don't look!!!
*Artist
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Fortaleza-CE, Brazil
Age: 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon View Post
Magnificent Bastard failure.
Oh, that was pure gold. You, sir, win the internets.
__________________
It's always a great time to immerse yourself in Deculture love!
All hail the Empress!!!

BetoJR is offline  
Old 2009-03-13, 15:16   Link #165
typhonsentra
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: USA
Quote:
Originally Posted by kk2extreme View Post
the whole ya-chan and ruuji scenes are supposed to be sad, but i dont feel that sad because of clannad
I find Toradora a lot more relatable.
typhonsentra is offline  
Old 2009-03-13, 15:18   Link #166
SageGaiGar
You are Next
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: NE USA
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon View Post
I think Ami really wanted to just be an observer and a manipulator, but got too emotionally involved in it herself.

Magnificent Bastard failure.
Just as *NOT planned XD
SageGaiGar is offline  
Old 2009-03-13, 15:32   Link #167
k'2
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Cairo in Egypt
Age: 25
Send a message via MSN to k'2 Send a message via Yahoo to k'2
Quote:
Originally Posted by SageGaiGar View Post
Just as *NOT planned XD
instead of being the hunter it was the prey .......

and she can't do anything she's just used to denial
__________________
k'2 is offline  
Old 2009-03-13, 15:38   Link #168
fish eric
like to talk to fish?
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
when a good show like this ends does anyone else get that feeling like there is a big hole inside them?
fish eric is offline  
Old 2009-03-13, 15:50   Link #169
Maciste
Member
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Munich, Germany
Quote:
Originally Posted by fish eric View Post
when a good show like this ends does anyone else get that feeling like there is a big hole inside them?

Yes, definitely.
There are not many anime series I really like/become attached to. So, when I finally found one with the "Oh boy, can't wait for next week's ep!"-kind of feeling, it saddens me, once i realize it'll end soon (around the time, when only 2-3 eps are left).
Same here, after such a splendid 23rd episode...
Maciste is offline  
Old 2009-03-13, 15:53   Link #170
oompa loompa
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: 28 37', North ; 77 13', East
Age: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Janifuu View Post
I don't know why people are complaining about the animation/motion quality of this episode, I thought it helped pertain the dramatic effects alluded from the important scenes. Do you expect them to be stiffies at a time like this?
i agree, i had no complaints with the animation, i'm sure it couldve been better, but i liked how this episode looked and felt.
oompa loompa is offline  
Old 2009-03-13, 15:58   Link #171
Megacrash Gr
Van!shment Th!s World!!
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: ニューヨーク
Age: 20
Send a message via AIM to Megacrash Gr
Quote:
Originally Posted by fish eric View Post
when a good show like this ends does anyone else get that feeling like there is a big hole inside them?
me, definitly gonna be one of my fav

good episode, heart warming moment, when Taiga and Ryuuji took a job of Ya-chan.
__________________
Sig by Mouretsu.

Last edited by Megacrash Gr; 2009-03-13 at 16:09.
Megacrash Gr is offline  
Old 2009-03-13, 16:05   Link #172
Fran~
floating away...
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Beyond World's End
Haruta pwns....

the rest doesn't matters anymore, i DEMAND "Haruta's Chronicles or how to be a happy clueless person"

Minori... you're such a great woman... no... you're such a great human being... that's the way to do things... with the true, no matters what will happen... always saying the true.
__________________
Improving my english ^^
Fran~ is offline  
Old 2009-03-13, 16:13   Link #173
crystalalien87
Louise Fanatic
 
 
Join Date: May 2008
man the argument at that end made me think Taiga was having a exorcism done or something lol...but good episode none the less...
crystalalien87 is offline  
Old 2009-03-13, 16:25   Link #174
Traece
:cool:
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Idaho
Age: 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by fish eric View Post
when a good show like this ends does anyone else get that feeling like there is a big hole inside them?
Yeah, that happened when Hayate no Gotoku ended. But it's coming back now so I'm excited.

Quote:
Originally Posted by crystalalien87 View Post
man the argument at that end made me think Taiga was having a exorcism done or something lol...but good episode none the less...
The power of Christ compells you?

To the whole Ami conversation: Ami has feelings for Ryuuji, this couldn't be made more obvious. Though she also cares about Taiga, she couldn't made it even a little more obvious that she's more than caring for Ryuuji. She's practically thrown herself at him in the past, and although she may have been toying more than anything, I doubt she would've done that to Ryuuji in his own home after he helped her if she didn't like him at least a little. Ami and Ryuuji have had a lot of somewhat romantic scenes together, and I'm surprised people actually have doubts about Ami liking him.

Lastly, complaints about the art quality based off of basically one scene? Can you people get more needy? Watch the episode again and maybe study some dynamics and expression for once. All the violence in Toradora! are done in the same art style as the one in this episode to my knowledge.
__________________

Last edited by Traece; 2009-03-13 at 16:25. Reason: What Tense am I in again? Hmm...
Traece is offline  
Old 2009-03-13, 16:29   Link #175
typhonsentra
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: USA
I also want to say that I really liked the way they ended Ami's feelings for him, how she accepts that it can't happen and is ready to try and move on. I've always been a sucker for bittersweet plotlines like that.
typhonsentra is offline  
Old 2009-03-13, 17:30   Link #176
fish eric
like to talk to fish?
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by typhonsentra View Post
I also want to say that I really liked the way they ended Ami's feelings for him, how she accepts that it can't happen and is ready to try and move on. I've always been a sucker for bittersweet plotlines like that.
i liked that too. in this anime they really did a good job obfuscating her feelings. as far as the anime is considered on its own. i think Ami has/had some romantic feelings towards Ryuji. In the novel... I don't think so.


when i gave my mini review earlier i thought that this episode had the best animation since the christmas party episodes. im not saying the people who disagree are wrong. im trying to say it just goes to show how different people are.
fish eric is offline  
Old 2009-03-13, 17:42   Link #177
typhonsentra
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: USA
I don't think her feelings are anime original. As a matter of fact there are several things in the novels that were cut in the anime that'd make it very hard for me to believe she really was doing the things she was doing for Taiga's benefit.

Spoiler:
typhonsentra is offline  
Old 2009-03-13, 17:43   Link #178
miroku2192
Let's Puppystyle!
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Best Place In The WORLD
Age: 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by fish eric View Post
i liked that too. in this anime they really did a good job obfuscating her feelings. as far as the anime is considered on its own. i think Ami has/had some romantic feelings towards Ryuji. In the novel... I don't think so.


when i gave my mini review earlier i thought that this episode had the best animation since the christmas party episodes. im not saying the people who disagree are wrong. im trying to say it just goes to show how different people are.
even so...it's so sad, i feel so bad for ami ;_; that poor girl...and yeah i liked the animation, i guess certain people were referring to the whole when taiga was running away and fumbling and stuff, it does look "different" but it's supposed to be like that to give off an effect.

Anyway, thought the episode was great...anyone look at the preview? ya-chan looks frigging scary haha, something bad happened? What was that little red packet (with the words on it...what does it say)?
miroku2192 is offline  
Old 2009-03-13, 17:44   Link #179
Vexx
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
*Author
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ...
Age: 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by crystalalien87 View Post
man the argument at that end made me think Taiga was having a exorcism done or something lol...but good episode none the less...
aye, exorcism is a pretty good metaphor --- at this point, the only two left in the room being "dishonest" is Taiga and Ryuuji. The other 3 have staked their own positions on the subject.

The episode managed to jump through the necessary turnpoints but wow it was skidding through the curves. So fast that for me, it hurt the organic feel of the development. I ended up singling this episode out for rating "punishment" though I rather enjoyed many of the moments in it. There were probably 2 or even 3 good episodes that happened offscreen here but its off to the novels to find out all the "in-betweens". For example, the untold "Haruta lands a girl" subplot
Vexx is offline  
Old 2009-03-13, 18:24   Link #180
Joe_fh
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Well this was onther excellent episode.I seriously don't know where this is going.Ami's character is really amasingly developed.As weksa said she went from someone who cares only fo what others think of her to someone who only cares for her friends.She also harbours very strong feelings but still manages to stay in cotrol.On the other hand Minori can't do the same,yet she somehow on lets out the feelings as a "friend" not a lover.Great character development here as well.Taiga is well confused.She wants Minori to be happy yet she still likes Riuji and she can't even understand why.IMO that is the reason she is runing away.She too went a long way from what she was in the beginning.These girls' character development is one of the best i've seen.
The animation was perfect in the sense of showing the feelings of te characters.It might have looked a bit odd at some point but IMO it was great.
Truly i'll miss the show when it ends because it is really gerat.
on a side note IMO Clannad now i really sad,it can't compare much to Toradora! because they have quite a few differences.Still they are both great shows.
Joe_fh is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 23:55.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
We use Silk.