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Tboz · 2003-11-18, 05:51

Hmmm... You are right then, some of your examples are remotely suitable for kids, just that they probably look at it differently like Zoro said. Heh, I even watch some of those when I was young, and as shiznitty mentioned there are some elements in them that still appeal to kids and likely these are what's holding the kids attention instead of the riotings and window breaking. Still, its dependent on how the kid in question look at it.

So I guess what is different with now and back then is that we realized that there is a need to filter the shows according to its content. Probably due to the excessive unhealthy exposure that kids can get by just the click of the mouse, parents are getting more and more edgy of what their children is viewing behind their back, be it on TV, thru the net or thru any other sources. We now have different channels dedicated to different levels of show or late timeslot for those deemed unsuitable for children. Even movies and games are rated for their contents as well. In the end, I guess its still up to the authority to decide which show goes where. And whether the ratings are adhered by parents and child is another matter.

Kurara · 2003-11-18, 23:06

I really, really dislike elitist people. I had to deal with them a lot in the past, and most communities I've been a part of had their fair share of elitists. However, I don't think you're being an elitist. You're just saying your opinion about Cartoon Network and explaining why you have that opinion.

To me, an elitist is someone who judges others.

An elitist is someone who's a part of a group, and acts like they should know who fits and who doesn't fit into that group. An elitist judges others and complains about others within that group.

A few things I've heard from "anime elitists":
- "People who watch DBZ and Pokémon aren't real anime fans."
- "People who say they don't like DBZ are lying and just trying to be cool and elitist."
- "Anime fans who call themselves 'otaku' are stupid."
- "Most anime fans are perverts who are obsessed with Japanese culture, but I'm not that way."
- "Using '^_^' type anime faces is so uncool and stupid and I don't avoid picking on people who use them."
- "Anime other than Cowboy Bebop, Lain and [ insert a couple of "mature and deep" anime series here ] sucks and is usually stupid and made for perverts."
- "[ insert an anime title here ] is the only good anime and everything else that was made is crap."

That's only a few things. I've heard countless things from that type of people.

A good example of elitistm other than this is in the cosplay community. I've been in a lot of cosplay forums, and a lot of forum users constantly complain about overweight cosplayers or cosplayers who wear skimpy or "not beautiful enough" costumes. Instead of just talking about cosplaying, they just judged others and talked about how they were annoyed with them.. Because usually, elitist people are people who want to make themselves special.

Maybe you guys will be surprised, but I haven't seen a lot of elitism in this forum.

The main problem with the anime community, is that our culture is very different from Japanese culture and that brings problems here. In Japan, anime is mainstream.. Almost everyone has watched anime and almost everyone reads manga. Here, it's different. Even our cartoons don't have a big impact on our lives. Here, even though a lot of series are aimed towards teenagers or adults, reading comics or watching cartoons isn't something popular, and I really doubt it will ever be. Also, anime has a very negative image here. Most people I know in real life think anime is just porn or cartoons like Pokémon. I'm not saying that Pokémon is bad, but that it's a very restricted view of anime. I think this is why people dislike cartoon network. No matter what they will play on that channel, people will have a restricted view of it because anime is not something that we see on TV often and it probably won't be until a long time.

Once, I was reading a Tokyo Babylon manga at school and a girl started laughing at me and saying I was reading Pokémon. The problem isn't that she was accusing me of reading Pokémon.. But imagine you're reading a science fiction book and the person accuses you of reading a romance novel when you actually hate romance stories. ^_^;; It's kind of weird..

To those who are worried about anime becoming mainstream.. I really don't think it will ever be, for the reasons I mentioned earlier. Also, anime has been on TV in Europe for a long time.. It was mainstream in the way that it played on TV as much as normal cartoons, but no one really was crazy about it and it wasn't a trendy thing with teenagers and adults. That's the difference..

Keitaro · 2003-11-18, 23:22

Heres how I look at it, anime is a form of Entertiament just like movies. I think ppl think to much about it and should be watching and disscussing anime how they like. What the hell is an anime elitist? who gives a shit about them, why is this dicussion still going on. Yes they annoy us sometimes, but you have to learn to ignore them, what their looking for is attention hopfully they will realize their bad behavior and change their ways.

Radd · 2003-11-22, 18:44

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Originally Posted by Keitarou20

Heres how I look at it, anime is a form of Entertiament just like movies. I think ppl think to much about it and should be watching and disscussing anime how they like. What the hell is an anime elitist? who gives a shit about them, why is this dicussion still going on. Yes they annoy us sometimes, but you have to learn to ignore them, what their looking for is attention hopfully they will realize their bad behavior and change their ways.

I think the discussion moved on towards determining just what an entails being an 'elitist', making points that some people might think they hate elitists, yet be considered by others to be an elitist...so people can see how they themselves are being elitist, and possibly change their ways, or at least realize what they're doing. Funny how that works.

monpuchi · 2003-11-22, 19:32

personally, i dont like to see CN playing some shows because they totally destroy it most of the time. i could care less if a million other people see it, though. the anime would still be just as good/bad.

on the other hand, i'm glad that CN is bringing anime to the fans. its safe to say that a lot of people have seen Trigun but that doesnt mean that i think it sucks just because i saw it before all of them and now its mainstream.....i guess you guys were right about that type of person being an elitist, but we're bound to have 'em.

but, like any group of people, you cant say that all (or even most) of them behave one way or another. in any case, i'm just here to enjoy anime. i could'nt care less what other people do.

EliteJounin · 2003-11-22, 22:25

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Originally Posted by Keitarou20

Heres how I look at it, anime is a form of Entertiament just like movies. I think ppl think to much about it and should be watching and disscussing anime how they like. What the hell is an anime elitist? who gives a shit about them, why is this dicussion still going on. Yes they annoy us sometimes, but you have to learn to ignore them, what their looking for is attention hopfully they will realize their bad behavior and change their ways.

Not that im siding with elitists, but i dont entirely believe that they are looking for attention. Although its stupid that they say or do the stuff that the other people have posted in the past. They just speak their mind like the rest of us do. The only thing that is different is that whatever they say is negative about a certain topic, mostly.

asaqe · 2003-11-23, 02:26

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/gento...?board=2000120

this board is a somewhat an example of how elitism has runned over what was once life you have to be careful when you join, you must Never speak of supporting 4kids or you will awaken bandit ken's wrath and beware of a troll name shiningpikablu I am afraid 4kids have infected him and made him some what more supporting of that company anyway anime board users safe blessings on your journey to restore the board to a whole new life

Fronzel · 2003-11-23, 05:08

Why's that?

Tabiree · 2003-11-23, 10:19

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this board is a somewhat an example of how elitism has runned over what was once life you have to be careful when you join, you must Never speak of supporting 4kids or you will awaken bandit ken's wrath and beware of a troll name shiningpikablu I am afraid 4kids have infected him and made him some what more supporting of that company anyway anime board users safe blessings on your journey to restore the board to a whole new life

huh? Punctuation, PLEASE

I would say something, bu this topic sounds like a broken record. Put your justifications away and stop caring.

asaqe · 2003-11-23, 13:28

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Originally Posted by Tabiree

huh? Punctuation, PLEASE

I would say something, bu this topic sounds like a broken record. Put your justifications away and stop caring.

I apologize for my lack of punctuation. But the plauge of elitism is pretty sevre ther I am just asking if some users here would spread the knowledge of proper respect to other boards.

Gaara11 · 2003-11-23, 13:36

"Anime Elitist" is a stupid term made up by stupid people. If you like anime, you like anime period. Don't try to categorize!

Kurara · 2003-11-23, 14:36

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Originally Posted by Radd

I think the discussion moved on towards determining just what an entails being an 'elitist', making points that some people might think they hate elitists, yet be considered by others to be an elitist...so people can see how they themselves are being elitist, and possibly change their ways, or at least realize what they're doing. Funny how that works.

Well, if you were talking about my post.. ^^; Personally, I don't think I'm an elitist. I was just saying my opinion on the topic... What I was trying to point out is that.. Yeah, there is elitism in the anime community.. But it can be much worse in some other communities that I've seen.. And I'm really glad it hasn't gotten to this point yet in this forum. Also I was explaining why some people don't like Cartoon Network.

EliteJounin · 2003-11-24, 00:46

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Originally Posted by Gaara11

"Anime Elitist" is a stupid term made up by stupid people. If you like anime, you like anime period. Don't try to categorize!

Ahh... i like the way you think, my friend.

Yet, people judge others anyway.

Iron Monkey · 2003-11-24, 02:10

I've also noticed that once something previously in a niche market obtains any sort of success, it is shunned by it's once most loyal fans. And that's not just anime. It can be movies, video games, and music.

For example, back in my punk rock days, when Green Day and the Offspring were nobodies, you'd have the few "purists" who supported them. But once these groups found success, they're labelled as "sellouts" by these same purists. It's like they hate it when the things they like succeed, which is, to me, kinda stupid.

And that's bascially the same thing with anime. I don't know if these people feel threatened or what, but it's all very silly. I tend not to care what people like or dislike. As long as I know what I like, that's all that really matters. If they're into anime, that's fine. If they're not, that's fine too. But don't act like you're better than others just because "you saw the show fansubbed way before it even hit TV". Everyone starts from somewhere. If it's TV edited dubbed anime, then so be it. I don't think it's ever really bad for the genre. I say, the more exposure, the better.

method · 2003-11-24, 03:05

They are out there passing judgement first prime example from the ANN mb

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I am getting SO tired of Cartoon Network putting all of "my shows" all over the tube! I get into anime, and buy the dvds and complete sets, mangas and figs too... and then FLCL appears on CN and they loop it and loop it and loop it for freakin like 2 months straight ! And it's only 6 eps long for cryin out loud ! They showed Trigun, and some 2 episodes of EVA on some special "robot week". I am getting extremely tired of hearing all of these "common" people trying to know something about anime, and talking about the show somewhere in the middle of the storyline (where they picked up when watching it on tv). I don't like anime being COMMON! Maybe it's just a thing about me... and thats why I put this here so I can find out what other people feel. Please reply.

FMPFaN83 · 2003-11-24, 07:12

When fans complain about anime being on T.V.you need to relize one basic fact. Censorship is different the world over. What may be approiate in to show on T.V. in Japan may not be viewed as apporiprate by the U.S. censorship boards. (Ie. Nudity - Ever notice they never have hair, thats because Japanese censorship has deemed it inapporite to draw hair on nude bodies). Also if you don't get new people interested in Anime whose going to support the industry in your particular country. For example online bookstores based in North America sell anime related mechandise only because there is enough demand for it. *L* no demand they wont supply it, so I guess we need to take the good with the bad. If you don't like the way they present it on T.V. don't watch it.
LOL this was suposed to be a post not an essay, whoops

Sepiraph · 2003-11-25, 01:00

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Originally Posted by Gaara11

"Anime Elitist" is a stupid term made up by stupid people. If you like anime, you like anime period. Don't try to categorize!

Well said, I'd rather just enjoy things than to worry about elitism or anything stupid like that. I think it's wiser to stop worrying so much about what other people think and just enjoy the things that u like.

Keitaro · 2003-11-25, 01:03

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Originally Posted by Sepiraph

Well said, I'd rather just enjoy things than to worry about elitism or anything stupid like that. I think it's wiser to stop worrying so much about what other people think and just enjoy the things that u like.

I agree with you and gaara11 I dont understand why everyone is worrying about it your only wasting time talking about it when you can be discussioning and watching anime that you like.

Zelgadis · 2003-11-25, 04:02

For the sake of sounding like an elitist here, let me take the high road. If we show on television good or bad dub, and good or bad editing. Why would this not be good? It introduces something new to the audience. Albeit the younger audience. Maybe someone needs to suggest to the networks something for an older audience. Simpsons, Dilbert, South Park, etc were never intended for the younger audiences. So how about suggesting some older audience anime dramas and comedies. Personally I am partial to the Slayers series. I know there are others and better ones that would wow the audience.

Unfortunately, the networks are targeting specific audiences. Therefore, you really need to be careful what you suggest to be aired. Cartoon Network, Comedy Central and others are looking for programs that will draw a specific audience. Other Networks are much more picky what they show. What anime could possibly slide inbetween the major networks' re-runs and be popular enough to stay on the air?

Kurara · 2003-11-25, 21:01

Well, personally I don't think it's good or bad. I think it's very good that they play anime on TV, but I don't like how they make something out of anime that doesn't actually represent what anime really is.. [ X_X Maybe I don't make sense ::hides:: ]
I don't see anything wrong with watching Cartoon Network or anime on TV, though. ^^; If I had CN I'd probably watch it a lot..

2003-11-18, 23:22	Link #43
Keitaro Kyuuketsuki Otaku Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Somewhere in Hawaii	Heres how I look at it, anime is a form of Entertiament just like movies. I think ppl think to much about it and should be watching and disscussing anime how they like. What the hell is an anime elitist? who gives a shit about them, why is this dicussion still going on. Yes they annoy us sometimes, but you have to learn to ignore them, what their looking for is attention hopfully they will realize their bad behavior and change their ways. __________________

2003-11-24, 07:12	Link #56
FMPFaN83 Sick of Power Abuse Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Peterborough, Ontario -- Canada!!! Age: 40	Censorship is different the world over When fans complain about anime being on T.V.you need to relize one basic fact. Censorship is different the world over. What may be approiate in to show on T.V. in Japan may not be viewed as apporiprate by the U.S. censorship boards. (Ie. Nudity - Ever notice they never have hair, thats because Japanese censorship has deemed it inapporite to draw hair on nude bodies). Also if you don't get new people interested in Anime whose going to support the industry in your particular country. For example online bookstores based in North America sell anime related mechandise only because there is enough demand for it. L no demand they wont supply it, so I guess we need to take the good with the bad. If you don't like the way they present it on T.V. don't watch it. LOL this was suposed to be a post not an essay, whoops

2003-11-18, 05:51	Link #41
Tboz Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	Hmmm... You are right then, some of your examples are remotely suitable for kids, just that they probably look at it differently like Zoro said. Heh, I even watch some of those when I was young, and as shiznitty mentioned there are some elements in them that still appeal to kids and likely these are what's holding the kids attention instead of the riotings and window breaking. Still, its dependent on how the kid in question look at it. So I guess what is different with now and back then is that we realized that there is a need to filter the shows according to its content. Probably due to the excessive unhealthy exposure that kids can get by just the click of the mouse, parents are getting more and more edgy of what their children is viewing behind their back, be it on TV, thru the net or thru any other sources. We now have different channels dedicated to different levels of show or late timeslot for those deemed unsuitable for children. Even movies and games are rated for their contents as well. In the end, I guess its still up to the authority to decide which show goes where. And whether the ratings are adhered by parents and child is another matter.

2003-11-18, 23:06	Link #42
Kurara Ningyou Hime Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Digital Space	I really, really dislike elitist people. I had to deal with them a lot in the past, and most communities I've been a part of had their fair share of elitists. However, I don't think you're being an elitist. You're just saying your opinion about Cartoon Network and explaining why you have that opinion. To me, an elitist is someone who judges others. An elitist is someone who's a part of a group, and acts like they should know who fits and who doesn't fit into that group. An elitist judges others and complains about others within that group. A few things I've heard from "anime elitists": - "People who watch DBZ and Pokémon aren't real anime fans." - "People who say they don't like DBZ are lying and just trying to be cool and elitist." - "Anime fans who call themselves 'otaku' are stupid." - "Most anime fans are perverts who are obsessed with Japanese culture, but I'm not that way." - "Using '^_^' type anime faces is so uncool and stupid and I don't avoid picking on people who use them." - "Anime other than Cowboy Bebop, Lain and [ insert a couple of "mature and deep" anime series here ] sucks and is usually stupid and made for perverts." - "[ insert an anime title here ] is the only good anime and everything else that was made is crap." That's only a few things. I've heard countless things from that type of people. A good example of elitistm other than this is in the cosplay community. I've been in a lot of cosplay forums, and a lot of forum users constantly complain about overweight cosplayers or cosplayers who wear skimpy or "not beautiful enough" costumes. Instead of just talking about cosplaying, they just judged others and talked about how they were annoyed with them.. Because usually, elitist people are people who want to make themselves special. Maybe you guys will be surprised, but I haven't seen a lot of elitism in this forum. The main problem with the anime community, is that our culture is very different from Japanese culture and that brings problems here. In Japan, anime is mainstream.. Almost everyone has watched anime and almost everyone reads manga. Here, it's different. Even our cartoons don't have a big impact on our lives. Here, even though a lot of series are aimed towards teenagers or adults, reading comics or watching cartoons isn't something popular, and I really doubt it will ever be. Also, anime has a very negative image here. Most people I know in real life think anime is just porn or cartoons like Pokémon. I'm not saying that Pokémon is bad, but that it's a very restricted view of anime. I think this is why people dislike cartoon network. No matter what they will play on that channel, people will have a restricted view of it because anime is not something that we see on TV often and it probably won't be until a long time. Once, I was reading a Tokyo Babylon manga at school and a girl started laughing at me and saying I was reading Pokémon. The problem isn't that she was accusing me of reading Pokémon.. But imagine you're reading a science fiction book and the person accuses you of reading a romance novel when you actually hate romance stories. ^_^;; It's kind of weird.. To those who are worried about anime becoming mainstream.. I really don't think it will ever be, for the reasons I mentioned earlier. Also, anime has been on TV in Europe for a long time.. It was mainstream in the way that it played on TV as much as normal cartoons, but no one really was crazy about it and it wasn't a trendy thing with teenagers and adults. That's the difference..

2003-11-22, 19:32	Link #45
monpuchi Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	personally, i dont like to see CN playing some shows because they totally destroy it most of the time. i could care less if a million other people see it, though. the anime would still be just as good/bad. on the other hand, i'm glad that CN is bringing anime to the fans. its safe to say that a lot of people have seen Trigun but that doesnt mean that i think it sucks just because i saw it before all of them and now its mainstream.....i guess you guys were right about that type of person being an elitist, but we're bound to have 'em. but, like any group of people, you cant say that all (or even most) of them behave one way or another. in any case, i'm just here to enjoy anime. i could'nt care less what other people do.

2003-11-23, 02:26	Link #47
asaqe Augumented Paranoia Join Date: Nov 2003	http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/gento...?board=2000120 this board is a somewhat an example of how elitism has runned over what was once life you have to be careful when you join, you must Never speak of supporting 4kids or you will awaken bandit ken's wrath and beware of a troll name shiningpikablu I am afraid 4kids have infected him and made him some what more supporting of that company anyway anime board users safe blessings on your journey to restore the board to a whole new life

2003-11-23, 05:08	Link #48
Fronzel Schmuck Join Date: Nov 2003	Why's that?

2003-11-23, 13:36	Link #51
Gaara11 ~ Got Love? ~ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 45	"Anime Elitist" is a stupid term made up by stupid people. If you like anime, you like anime period. Don't try to categorize!

2003-11-24, 02:10	Link #54
Iron Monkey Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003	I've also noticed that once something previously in a niche market obtains any sort of success, it is shunned by it's once most loyal fans. And that's not just anime. It can be movies, video games, and music. For example, back in my punk rock days, when Green Day and the Offspring were nobodies, you'd have the few "purists" who supported them. But once these groups found success, they're labelled as "sellouts" by these same purists. It's like they hate it when the things they like succeed, which is, to me, kinda stupid. And that's bascially the same thing with anime. I don't know if these people feel threatened or what, but it's all very silly. I tend not to care what people like or dislike. As long as I know what I like, that's all that really matters. If they're into anime, that's fine. If they're not, that's fine too. But don't act like you're better than others just because "you saw the show fansubbed way before it even hit TV". Everyone starts from somewhere. If it's TV edited dubbed anime, then so be it. I don't think it's ever really bad for the genre. I say, the more exposure, the better.

2003-11-25, 04:02	Link #59
Zelgadis aka. ZP Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 49	For the sake of sounding like an elitist here, let me take the high road. If we show on television good or bad dub, and good or bad editing. Why would this not be good? It introduces something new to the audience. Albeit the younger audience. Maybe someone needs to suggest to the networks something for an older audience. Simpsons, Dilbert, South Park, etc were never intended for the younger audiences. So how about suggesting some older audience anime dramas and comedies. Personally I am partial to the Slayers series. I know there are others and better ones that would wow the audience. Unfortunately, the networks are targeting specific audiences. Therefore, you really need to be careful what you suggest to be aired. Cartoon Network, Comedy Central and others are looking for programs that will draw a specific audience. Other Networks are much more picky what they show. What anime could possibly slide inbetween the major networks' re-runs and be popular enough to stay on the air?

2003-11-25, 21:01	Link #60
Kurara Ningyou Hime Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Digital Space	Well, personally I don't think it's good or bad. I think it's very good that they play anime on TV, but I don't like how they make something out of anime that doesn't actually represent what anime really is.. [ X_X Maybe I don't make sense ::hides:: ] I don't see anything wrong with watching Cartoon Network or anime on TV, though. ^^; If I had CN I'd probably watch it a lot..