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Old 2009-03-27, 03:56   Link #1141
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Really, anyone that doesn't see that Jil used Fatina is in denial, I am not saying he did it maliciously, like Neeba did. I don't think Jil would betray any of his companions the same way that neeba did. The argument about Fatina using Jil to get over Neeba is different because during that time they were supporting each other to get past the Neeba/Kaaya's betrayal.
That word doesn't mean what you think it does. Jil didn't use Fatina. She was tagging along of her own free will. He never claimed to have a goal that was opposite of his intended ones or clearly using her emotions to keep her with him. I can't even remember how many times he gave her the option to turn back and continue on himself. It happened almost every other episode.
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Old 2009-03-27, 03:57   Link #1142
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Yes I have, actually. And my stance with ToL is exactly the same with Druaga:

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I also tend to dislike dull, clueless leads. And no, romantic school theme shows have much of the same leads: people who are so absorbed with their own crushes or whatever that they always fail to see the feelings of others right next to them. I've seen so many of them, that they just ruin any entertainment value for any game or animu that has them for me.

You ever play Tales of Vesperia? I loved that game. Sure, it had much of the same cliches as any JRPG out there, except for one thing. The main lead knew exactly what he wanted and carried out what needed to be done, and he tried carrying his burdens alone.

That's far different from Jil, who didn't have a clear goal in mind when climbing the tower in S1, while he made climbing his sole purpose in S2, very much ignoring the feelings of his companions. Sure, his companions decided to go along with him on their own, but did Jil keep their thoughts in mind? Or was he so preoccupied with catching up to Kaaya and Neeba (as well as being a clueless, stupid idiot) that he failed to realize that he was endangering his friends' lives on his own selfish quest (in the beginning anyway)?


That's like saying that a man who accidentally runs over a pedestrian is clear from guilt because he didn't intend to kill the pedestrian, and the pedestrian didn't intend to die that day. Sure, Fatina decided to go along and help Jil on her own, but Jil must to have realized that her motivations were far different from his and that she had little to NO reason being in that tower unlike he did. Just because Fatina decided to go with Jil doesn't make Jil's lack of consideration for her any less selfish.
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First every situation differ base on the gravity of the consequences. Running over someone without intent is negligent driving unless the pedestrian threw himself to commit suicide than it wouldn't be negligent now would it? To apply the same principle you ask who is at fault the one driving safely doing the right thing asking for permission or the poor clingy girl that wanted to come along putting herself at risk. Yes jil should have consideration but the core of the problem isn't with Jil but Fatina who choose to come. Then lastly we ask is fatina a sound adult who can make her own decision and knew of the risk. Clearly she is capable of making her own mind up and knew about the risk, rather hard to deceive someone with knowledge and the intention to follow.
My question is simple why should jil hold responsibility for the action of others given he ask first like any naïve but good hearted hero.
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Old 2009-03-27, 06:28   Link #1143
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That ending was sooooo rushed. I was hoping for a grand finale and a GOOD reason why Neeba was going insane, but it was just a silly sibling rivalry thing after all.

Also, the animation itself was so rushed that many of the final-scenes of the characters only had a few frames of animations to them. That was really bad, even by Gonzo standards. Jeez. I hope they don't ruin Saki, the new Mahjong series..
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Old 2009-03-27, 06:48   Link #1144
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a good end to a good anime..

unless some one here think this anime suck well let leave it for the blood thirsty fan to hunt you down >_<

as for me

the slapping was a good way of saying
"that's for stealing my guy, bitch!...oh and thanks for putting me through hell with your betrayal bull" way.
And with that, all is even. by Deathzkill

about the resurrected parts

yeah i saw a lot of dead coming back like the old Gilgamesh.

and +1 to the spoon ass rape at the end part haha that was hilarious

and i doubt Jill would make kingship or rather would be a suitable king unless there is another tower dropped by the gods that is
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Old 2009-03-27, 06:52   Link #1145
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a good end to a good anime..

unless some one here think yhis anime suck well let leave it for the blood thirsty fan to hunt you down >_<

as for me

the slapping was a good way of saying
"that's for stealing my guy, bitch!...oh and thanks for putting me through hell with your betrayal bull" way.
And with that, all is even. by Deathzkill

about the ressurected parts

yeah i saw a lot of dead coming back like the old Gilgamesh.

and +1 to the spoon ass rape at the end part haha that was hilarious

and i doubt Jill would make kingship or rather would be a suitable king unless there is another tower dropped by the gods that is
lol, you do know he could just marry kaaya and become king?
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Old 2009-03-27, 06:55   Link #1146
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yes i know that but will he be up for the job?

i mean look his life is like full of adventure he is not like Gil who likes to sit down and make his belly grow

Jil is more out going and wanting to be in a adventure
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Old 2009-03-27, 06:59   Link #1147
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yes i know that but will he be up for the job?

i mean look his life is like full of adventure he is not like Gil who likes to sit down and make his belly grow

Jil is more out going and wanting to be in a adventure
to quote the previous king

Gil "I did not want to become king"
while he may not be prepare to become king, he was a noble at birth and now a hero. if he choose kaaya all this time you can easily see him becoming the next king.
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Old 2009-03-27, 07:25   Link #1148
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i wonder will jil become like gil or will this experience would make him a better person and like many speculations a better king that could rule the world by using heroism
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Old 2009-03-27, 10:25   Link #1149
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i wonder will jil become like gil or will this experience would make him a better person and like many speculations a better king that could rule the world by using heroism
the main reason why gil became evil was because he lost his loved one....
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Old 2009-03-27, 10:28   Link #1150
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whats with everyone talking about gil and neeba "living"?
they were spirits its pretty obvious..
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Old 2009-03-27, 11:06   Link #1151
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yes i know that but will he be up for the job?

i mean look his life is like full of adventure he is not like Gil who likes to sit down and make his belly grow

Jil is more out going and wanting to be in a adventure
so the old gil ressurected too? I need to see this lol. Another reason for Jil to choose Kaaya. She being a princess. I kind of forgot that she was a princess. Poor Fatina she had the deck stacked against her.
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Old 2009-03-27, 12:08   Link #1152
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so the old gil ressurected too? I need to see this lol. Another reason for Jil to choose Kaaya. She being a princess. I kind of forgot that she was a princess. Poor Fatina she had the deck stacked against her.
jil didn't know she was a princess til like around episode 20, by then it was obvious he was in love with kaaya.

l'm pretty sure l'll be buying the series now when it hits the states....so my dub cast list would look like this.....

jil= jerry jewel
kaaya= caitlin glass
ahmey= julie ann taylor
succubus= kristy pape
coopa= carrie savage
utu= jamieson price
fatina= laura baley
melt= yuri lowenthal
neeba= troy baker
ki= michelle ruff
o.o

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Old 2009-03-27, 12:17   Link #1153
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~GIGGLE~

No arrogance here kind sir, just stating the truth.

Those 6 months that they lived "together"...jil was pretty much a vegetable...so not much romantic development could had been build...and l was proven right.

P.S l can't wait to be poven correct in Regios as well.



Miyako would had won Hiro's heart either way...kei had no chance once Miyako entered the picture....
Funny, you go for canon except with toradora.

But this has nothing to do with the thread.

And correct, Jil did fall for Kaaya while they were adventuring, far before we knew she was a princess.
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Old 2009-03-27, 12:35   Link #1154
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jil didn't know she was a princess til like around episode 20, by then it was obvious he was in love with kaaya.

l'm pretty sure l'll be buying the series now when it hits the states....so my dub cast list would look like this.....

jil= jerry jewel
kaaya= caitlin glass
ahmey= julie ann taylor
succubus= kristy pape
coopa= carrie savage
utu= jamieson price
fatina= laura baley
melt= yuri lowenthal
neeba= troy baker
ki= michelle ruff
o.o
You are a true fan...
I would never waste my money in a show like this...
Even if Fatina had won...
hopefully this show don't sell well so gonzo can disappear from the face of the earth....
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Old 2009-03-27, 13:36   Link #1155
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Lol wtf hilarious and kinda forced ending. Gil and Ki are alive? Neeba is alive and with Succubus both of them had a daughter? Oh well decent fight scene between Jil and Neeba. Overall a pretty enjoyable ride for me.
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Old 2009-03-27, 14:07   Link #1156
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You are a true fan...
I would never waste my money in a show like this...
Even if Fatina had won...
hopefully this show don't sell well so gonzo can disappear from the face of the earth....
lf my wallet allows it and l find a series enjoyable...l will purchase it and try to help out the anime community. The second season wasn't as great as the first season but all in all l got what l wanted from the series to make me wish purchase it as well....of course if it is only subbed like clannad then l won't buy it....

l'm waiting for shangri-la....thats by gonzo right?.....if yes...then l don't want them to disappear....

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Funny, you go for canon except with toradora.
Minorin was a better choice, hell even ami would had been a better choice (even though she didn't get much screen time)

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Neeba is alive and with Succubus both of them had a daughter?.
This deserves a whole heartedly

"LUL'z"
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Old 2009-03-27, 18:12   Link #1157
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Lol wtf hilarious and kinda forced ending. Gil and Ki are alive? Neeba is alive and with Succubus both of them had a daughter? Oh well decent fight scene between Jil and Neeba. Overall a pretty enjoyable ride for me.
Most Gonzo's endings as of recently are anime text book cliché. the only gonzo ending that really moved me was chrno crusade and I consider that ending as the third best after Maison Ikkoku and Heroic Age.
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Old 2009-03-27, 18:22   Link #1158
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Hey guys it's not over yet! Episode 13 is coming up next!
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Old 2009-03-27, 19:20   Link #1159
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Hey guys it's not over yet! Episode 13 is coming up next!

Is that so....?
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Old 2009-03-27, 19:26   Link #1160
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Is that so....?
I heard the same thing
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