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View Poll Results: Toradora! - Episode 16 Rating
Perfect 10 108 61.02%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 47 26.55%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 10 5.65%
7 out of 10 : Good 8 4.52%
6 out of 10 : Average 3 1.69%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 1 0.56%
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Old 2009-01-31, 19:21   Link #241
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The only reason I find it tough to give very many "10" ratings is that each episode almost NEEDS to be twice as long.
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Old 2009-01-31, 19:40   Link #242
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I find that I'd be incredibly bored with this series if it was twice as long...

Sure, it would probably feel better executed, but this way they're able to create a complete story in one season.
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Old 2009-02-01, 07:56   Link #243
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I find that I'd be incredibly bored with this series if it was twice as long...

Sure, it would probably feel better executed, but this way they're able to create a complete story in one season.
As always I disagree with you.

Good anime can be executed without being boresome even if it is longer. being longer it gives more depth to the character (of course if the time is used on characters and not on fanservice, like in ZnT or other similar 'depth' animes).

If the length determines if you are bored or not then just go watch short clips (like one or two minute length) as I think those would be thrilling experience for you.

Of course going too long is a problem but not with the characters that Toradora has. If this would be a 48 or 36 episode season it may have been much better than now as simply then the depth of characters could be displayed properly as their development instead of rushing things.

Can't say that Toradora does bad thing all together given the ridiculous disproportion in episodes and amount of volumes it should cover, but it certainly could be better with more length.

For me the best example of long but still great anime that does not rush things and still maintain to be interesting/amusing is spice and wolf.

Sometimes it may look like things are stretching but the two great main leads and their verbal dancing with each other make it very great experience to follow.
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Old 2009-02-01, 08:17   Link #244
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I agree, I don't think I'd be bored at all if they slowed the pace down to something like 3-4 episodes per volume... at all.
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Old 2009-02-01, 14:45   Link #245
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For me the best example of long but still great anime that does not rush things and still maintain to be interesting/amusing is spice and wolf.
Spice and Wolf bored me to death. Nothing HAPPENED.

I realize it's a good story and all, but I just couldn't watch it... nothing really happened at all...

It's not the sort of story that makes a good anime.

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I agree, I don't think I'd be bored at all if they slowed the pace down to something like 3-4 episodes per volume... at all.
To each his own, I guess.

I know I wouldn't want to watch 4-5 episodes of Kitamura being an emo twat, but that's just me.

I think the show is doing a great job. I love the books too, but they're books and I can read them at my own pace...
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Old 2009-02-01, 15:20   Link #246
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Well that story arc... the problem was mainly that they kept nearly all of the Kitamura emo bull and made cuts elsewhere.

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Old 2009-02-02, 01:09   Link #247
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Spice and Wolf bored me to death. Nothing HAPPENED.

I realize it's a good story and all, but I just couldn't watch it... nothing really happened at all...

It's not the sort of story that makes a good anime.
Ah ... I adored Spice & Wolf ... (shrug) pacing tastes vary



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To each his own, I guess.

I know I wouldn't want to watch 4-5 episodes of Kitamura being an emo twat, but that's just me.
Well... I agree with that particular example.... but it is pretty clear that some entertaining character development is being skimmed a bit -- I'm thinking Clannad pacing would be a nice way to implement.

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I think the show is doing a great job. I love the books too, but they're books and I can read them at my own pace...
yeah, I'm somehow satisfied yet not. Don't ask me to explain it - pretty happy with the series and if they end it well, it goes into my top handful of romances anyway.
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I know I wouldn't want to watch 4-5 episodes of Kitamura being an emo twat, but that's just me.
The problem is that they already animated most of everything that there was about Kitamura emo, so it was impossible to get more material to it while on the other hand there was plenty of other material skipped that could have made more interesting.
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Old 2009-02-02, 17:24   Link #249
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I agree with the statement that ToraDora! should be better with a slower pace.

Why JCStaff/GENCO doesn't made 'Seasons', like ZnT or SnS? The problem I see in doing this is the more difficult to establish an end of the occasional 1st one. But it's THAT problem?
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Old 2009-02-02, 17:36   Link #250
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If they had the budget for 50-episode series without a one-season break, I'm sure they'd do it. But they don't.
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Old 2009-02-02, 17:42   Link #251
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If they had the budget for 50-episode series without a one-season break, I'm sure they'd do it. But they don't.
I think that [safe] profit matters more than budget. Look Gundam 00: 2 seasons of 25 episodes each - if Season 1 fails, the project would be easily 'shortened'.

That's why the average season nowadays is 12-13 episode, instead of 24-26.
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Old 2009-02-02, 18:09   Link #252
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I think that [safe] profit matters more than budget. Look Gundam 00: 2 seasons of 25 episodes each - if Season 1 fails, the project would be easily 'shortened'.

That's why the average season nowadays is 12-13 episode, instead of 24-26.
Makes sense.
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Old 2009-02-02, 22:28   Link #253
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One last note:
I thought it was interesting to watch Kitamura consciously switch from the formal neutral "watashi" to the more masculine assertive "ore" when confessing to Sumire. To some extent he was trying to sound as rough as she does .
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Old 2009-04-01, 04:09   Link #254
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What an embarrassing episode. Kitamura always makes me cringe, but this time he really outdid himself. I had to mute the last half of the episode and kinda squint at the screen so I could see it without seeing it, you know? And a catfight? Seriously? Over Kitamura? Oh, brother.

Anyway, the next episode promises to be more Minoriningful. Download faster! Faster!
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Old 2009-04-01, 06:49   Link #255
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Funny. This was one of the best episodes, for me...
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Old 2009-04-01, 10:11   Link #256
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I guess I just don't like to see people embarrass themselves, even in fiction. That, and Sumire is a cow.
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Oh, no, she's not. She's probably the most respectable character in the whole series, I'd wager.
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Old 2009-04-01, 11:29   Link #259
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You know looking through my old posts, it becomes clear I started enjoying this show a lot more once I ran out of translated novel material.
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