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Old 2009-04-04, 20:53   Link #2041
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They pulled out the models with the EE chips, and later did away with software emulation. Sony, are you up to something?
Yeah, they wanted to stop hemorrhaging money so they started cost cutting and removing "unnecessary" things from the PS3. I think they are at least break even or slight profit on the PS3 now, if they cut again they'll start losing money again. Everyone wants a cut, no one is getting one.
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Old 2009-04-04, 20:54   Link #2042
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yep this true for any next gen console except for ones that start with w, and end i and rhyme with meeeeeee. Other than the games, next gen consoles touted was HD gaming and for most with out a lcd display/ hd tv you won't be able to get the graphical update these sytems have to offer. Bascially your games will look like sharper crisper version of ps2/xbox but since your playign them at about 6ft away the details become harder to discern.
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Old 2009-04-04, 22:10   Link #2043
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Luckily, I bought my 80GB Metal Gear 4 PS3 bundle (paid $499 for it) which had software BC support which I used alot. I wished that Sony still sold a BC compatible PS3 because PS2 games would look horrible on a HDTV...

But... since the PS3 game library is improving (especially more JRPGs are coming to PS3), I have no complaints.
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Old 2009-04-04, 22:33   Link #2044
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over here in Australia we only had the 60gb CECHCxx model which is like the initial 80gb CECHExx from North America in that it emulates the Emotion Engine... than they discontinued that model to release the 40gb and now the 80gb CECHKxx model
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Old 2009-04-04, 22:36   Link #2045
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i've got no complaints though... i've always been a fan of Sony products due to their quality and to some extent their integrity
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Old 2009-04-04, 22:42   Link #2046
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ps3 library is great, considering their getting that exclusive tales of, albeit late still, ps3 does not lack quality title, but I would just like to enjoy some of my favorites on the ps2 in faux hd thats all, without having to buy another machine to cram my media cabinet with. I have enough wires to deal with as it is, considering my ps3, stereo system, dvr... its already a mess i don't need more!!!!
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Old 2009-04-04, 22:43   Link #2047
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also it would be way more convenient if we had one machine to run our ps1, ps2 and ps3 software... i think that's that everyone ultimately wants... everything wrapped up in a neat little package
Well, that already exists as you probably know.

The 20, 60 GB and—to some extent—the old 80 GB PS3 models are able to do all of what you mentioned. It was certainly a risk, buying a 60 GB back then despite its high price, but I feel that it was all worth it in the end.

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See i would consider buying a ps2 for 99 dollars IF it was region free and allowed me to play my god damn imports, but this is not the case, which again baffles the shit out of me.
I once bought a JP PS2 in Japan, and when I returned home for a while, I had a mod chip installed so it could play US games as well. It's one of the advantages of coming from a country where piracy is quite rampant, but on the other hand it's also risky for the machine itself. To this day it still works, and I mainly used it for JP PS2 games only.

My old, fat, region 1 workhorse feels like it's about to give up its ghost one of these days, but she's still alive and well.

As for my 60 GB PS3, I can't help but feel that it has increased in value somewhat from my point of view.
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Old 2009-04-04, 22:49   Link #2048
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again, region codes???? I FUCKING HATE DVDs period, whats the point, the world went global with the internet and having time restriction, region restrictions is just plain ASININE. This is the reason for lots of piracy. Really I bought every copy of madden since 94, but I can't legally buy naruto narutomitte 3 or bleach blademasters with it not working or having to pay a god damn excise tax, and having to buy another import ps2. Really I would have had to wait an additional year and a half to play katamari, or stuff like tyco brahe drum master, or dj master. Anyway theres a lot of stuff about the gaming industry that pisses me off but BC is one of the things that really irks me. At least with the god damn pc i know I can play all my games, or at least find possible methods to play them but with ps2 games there is no avail.
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Old 2009-04-04, 22:51   Link #2049
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Just to clarify, Sony never developed 100% software emulation (otherwise they'd continue to offer PS2 compatibility in current models). With the second iteration, they emulated the Emotion Engine via software but retained the PS2 Graphics Synthesizer.
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Old 2009-04-04, 22:57   Link #2050
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yes but their method of emulation with ps2 graphics synthesizer allows you to play your ps2 games at resolutions greater than the native ps2 resolutions which makes it a lot more pallatable on your hdtv that you have spent quite a bit to purchase.
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Old 2009-04-04, 23:01   Link #2051
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again, region codes???? I FUCKING HATE DVDs period, whats the point, the world went global with the internet and having time restriction, region restrictions is just plain ASININE. This is the reason for lots of piracy. Really I bought every copy of madden since 94, but I can't legally buy naruto narutomitte 3 or bleach blademasters with it not working or having to pay a god damn excise tax, and having to buy another import ps2. Really I would have had to wait an additional year and a half to play katamari, or stuff like tyco brahe drum master, or dj master. Anyway theres a lot of stuff about the gaming industry that pisses me off but BC is one of the things that really irks me. At least with the god damn pc i know I can play all my games, or at least find possible methods to play them but with ps2 games there is no avail.
With regard to movies, I can understand why region codes are in place. Cinema release schedules are different from country to country.

However, games are another matter in my opinion. I'm not going to pretend that I completely understand how the publishing side of the industry works, but games are mainly home consumer products. With import costs to consider, let the user decide what games to play.

And no, piracy is not exactly a result of region codes. It's a result of economics and the high prices of goods. When one with a limited budget can find a cheap alternative of "relatively" the same quality to the original, it's not that hard to figure out what might happen.
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Old 2009-04-04, 23:09   Link #2052
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for many in america piracy is because of restrictions and other things that make it less attractive then buying retail, basically think drm. Doesn't mean people won't pirate if there was a service that beat pirating, because lets face it its free. But to developers, those that do matter, the group I mentioned first, is lost income due to treating the a paying customer as a thief instead of a valued customer. But i digress this is way off topic for the ps3 thread.
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Old 2009-04-04, 23:48   Link #2053
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Am glad that I bought a PS3 earlier while it still had BC to it. Since I've ended up playing more PSX and PS2 games on it than PS3 games . Though that is slowly changing with the good games that have come out for the system.
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Old 2009-04-05, 01:44   Link #2054
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i've already have a ps2, and got a bc 80 gb ps3, now im playing my ps2 games on my big lcd screen

most of my friends got a xbox 360, kinda sad to not play with them
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Old 2009-04-05, 01:47   Link #2055
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most of my friends got a xbox 360, kinda sad to not play with them
Nah, it's kinda sad that THEY can't play with you
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Old 2009-04-05, 07:14   Link #2056
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Presently, I'm thinking of sharing a PS3 with a doc friend of mine. He's always busy, so the plan is for him to drop over to my place if he wants to play.

Anyway, is it true that without HDTV, the improvement in graphics for 3 is marginal?
Let's just say the jump from the ps2 to ps3 is huge, but the jump from SDTV to HDTV is even bigger. To be honest if you play single player. You won't mind the low resolution that much, it doesn't get in the way of the gameplay, but for the "omg why is it so pretty" you need a HDTV. For splitscreen like CoD I did mind the low res, since you just see less with 1/4th of a screen. :O
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Old 2009-04-05, 07:14   Link #2057
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Actually home has to be the most convoluted online system ever. I'm a pc gamer and I just find it completely out of sink with what gamers want, and I have to wait to bowl.... right, sony.
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Old 2009-04-05, 12:57   Link #2058
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Actually home has to be the most convoluted online system ever. I'm a pc gamer and I just find it completely out of sink with what gamers want, and I have to wait to bowl.... right, sony.
If that massive advertising gimmick ever gets released that is.
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Old 2009-04-05, 14:59   Link #2059
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Um, isn't it... released already?

Moreover, don't expect Sony to stop the service anytime soon. Apparently, Sony is actually earning money from it. Despite the silliness of Home, it is beneficial to them. They have to keep the online play of the PSN free after all.

And really, they can't stop now. People are criticizing Sony for continuing it and adding content, but if they don't put up new content they will just be criticized for putting out a barren service just the same. Besides, I find complaining about Home pretty useless when I don't even have to use it. It's another catch 22 for Sony, it seems... right along there with the price of the PS3.

Frankly, as long as I have an option of whether to use it or not, I don't really give a damn.
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Old 2009-04-06, 12:42   Link #2060
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Tales of Vesperia homepage, japanese release date, autumn this year. So 360 pal version will be out eariler, june 2009.
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