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Old 2009-04-08, 12:02   Link #21
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Well, there chances of the Shichibukai fighting amongst each other, during the war, just went up another 10%.
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Old 2009-04-08, 12:35   Link #22
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I am not sure to understand. You mean that Kuma is in fact working with Dragon?
Kuma is working with someone that has positive interests in Luffy. Be it Garp, Dragon, or someone else, but it is likely someone known by Rayleigh (I don't know what information Kuma would have shared with Rayleigh during that important time). But considering that Kuma seems to know Dragon (I think he made a mention on that), the Dragon connection is a possibility.
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Old 2009-04-08, 13:29   Link #23
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I really, (And I'm not trying a "Look smart" thing) did suspect that Iva may have had something to do with Dragon, and it lingered up to last week, but I dismissed it as over-enthusiasm. There really wasn't any evidence to link them anyway. But now now that it's confirmed, it is also slightly...drab in a way.

I don't mean to ruin everyone's Dragonic high, but the loosely linked, randomness of the Impel Down Arc so far has been dissettling a little.

It's logically a mess. I wish it would just make sense, you know? This whole concept of Okamas hiding in a tunneled out paradise within Impel Down is irritatingly stupid.

Couldn't Oda do it a little more seriously? Like: seeing as the head of the underground league of semi-escapees is headed by an officer of Dragon, who is, I remind you, the Revolutionary, he could have been organizing a coup d'etat, and laying low. Like a small, highly efficient band of militants, who would stealthily spirit away useful prisoner to recruit them to their cause.

Doesn't that sound more logically appealing than transvestites cramped in a dug-out, drinking and smoking and basking in decadent opulence? I mean...wow...

I mean: some things just simply are logical, and some things are simply not.
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Old 2009-04-08, 13:41   Link #24
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Two minor bits of info: Luffy was eating for 30 minutes at that crazy rate. How many tons of food did his eat!?

Inazuma was a Level 5 prisoner (like Iwa). Not a surprised, but confirmed at least.

I was thinking previously that maybe if Luffy was quick to eat he could get to Ace first (before Magellan), but this hasn't happened. Instead, looks like we'll get Magellan vs Luffy round 2 very soon. I also thought there might be a way directly from Level 5.5 to Level 6 but there isn't (or at least, not a quick path).

Looks like Bon-chan will be taken with the other New-kamas on their big prison break - I think he fainted for relief/tiredness once he saw Luffy was okay. I wonder if they'll spread out through all levels and do a big prisoner release, or if they'll simply aim straight for the top? The smart thing to do would be to take out the control room - make Impel Down "blind". I wonder if they'll chance across Buggy and Mr 3 while they're at it.
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Old 2009-04-08, 14:13   Link #25
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I don't mean to ruin everyone's Dragonic high, but the loosely linked, randomness of the Impel Down Arc so far has been dissettling a little.

It's logically a mess. I wish it would just make sense, you know? This whole concept of Okamas hiding in a tunneled out paradise within Impel Down is irritatingly stupid.

Couldn't Oda do it a little more seriously? Like: seeing as the head of the underground league of semi-escapees is headed by an officer of Dragon, who is, I remind you, the Revolutionary, he could have been organizing a coup d'etat, and laying low. Like a small, highly efficient band of militants, who would stealthily spirit away useful prisoner to recruit them to their cause.

Doesn't that sound more logically appealing than transvestites cramped in a dug-out, drinking and smoking and basking in decadent opulence? I mean...wow...

I mean: some things just simply are logical, and some things are simply not.
This is OP, crazy and not logical are what its about, I love the randomness that comes up in OP at any given time cause here it just works.

trying to mount a coup d'Útat is no easy thing and given that Magellan himself is probably the best riot deterrent there is, I wouldn't see many prisoners wanting to go up against him. I doubt even Iwa would want to face Magellan either.
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Old 2009-04-08, 14:46   Link #26
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The thing with OP is that people here are retarted or creazy. Only weak or evil people show signs of sanity - ku ku ku ku ku...

I don't remember anyone asking what happend to the crew for a while, so I'm assuming that everyone is happy with the plot so far.
At first I was thinking that each crew member's side training story should be as long as Luffy's, but not everyone might landed in the same moment on their destination and we don't know how they will assemble. Nami is "trapped" in the sky island, but that nothing in comaprison to Robin or Chopper. They might have diffrent level of trouble with leaving their new training grounds.
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Old 2009-04-08, 15:23   Link #27
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I hope it's true. It sounds like good development. As Iva-san says it on this scan, the World Government might try to bait WB and Dragon.

Are they trying to get their ass kicked O_o

Anyway, I hope it's true. I want to see Dragon in action
I'm pretty sure the World Government had the foresight to know that Dragon may get involved (given that his son is in their custody), so they are probably more than ready if he dares to try something on them. In addition to having the two of the world powers (Marines and Shichibukai) on their side, they probably also have something else that is really advantageous up their sleeve, in case any contingencies (i.e. interference from Shanks or Dragon) arise in this war. One thing is certain, they're not stupid and they must have planned this out for a good while now.

As for who's going to get their butt kicked, you mean Whitebeard right? We all know that he is going down and that there is a very high possibility he will die (his inevitable downfall has been foreshadowed by both Shanks and Blackbeard).

Know this, the World Government will triumph in this war. They are not going to lose, since they've already been getting screwed over throughout the course of this story. It's time for them to win for a change.
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Old 2009-04-08, 15:35   Link #28
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I really, (And I'm not trying a "Look smart" thing) did suspect that Iva may have had something to do with Dragon, and it lingered up to last week, but I dismissed it as over-enthusiasm. There really wasn't any evidence to link them anyway. But now now that it's confirmed, it is also slightly...drab in a way.

I don't mean to ruin everyone's Dragonic high, but the loosely linked, randomness of the Impel Down Arc so far has been dissettling a little.

It's logically a mess. I wish it would just make sense, you know? This whole concept of Okamas hiding in a tunneled out paradise within Impel Down is irritatingly stupid.

Couldn't Oda do it a little more seriously? Like: seeing as the head of the underground league of semi-escapees is headed by an officer of Dragon, who is, I remind you, the Revolutionary, he could have been organizing a coup d'etat, and laying low. Like a small, highly efficient band of militants, who would stealthily spirit away useful prisoner to recruit them to their cause.

Doesn't that sound more logically appealing than transvestites cramped in a dug-out, drinking and smoking and basking in decadent opulence? I mean...wow...

I mean: some things just simply are logical, and some things are simply not.
I think stories stop being good once you can always predict what happens next. That's what makes One Piece so great, you really never know what's going to happen next. I mean my One piece predictions have been way off, and I usually consider myself a pretty good guesser. Just to give you an idea, I'd say i'm about 11/20 in my Naruto predictions, and about 3/20 in my one piece predictions. (Although, believe it or not, this outcome was quite predictable considering Bon Clay said since he was first seen in Impel Down that Iva was locked in there as well.) But still, the randomness is what keeps me interested. For instance, I thought that we wouldn't get to know the rest of Luffy's family for quite some time, but then, just out of nowhere we get introduced to Luffy's father and Grandfather in two or three chapters. I don't know your overall opinion, but from my experiences when something weird, stupid, and seemingly irrellevant happens in OP, It usually works out to a freakin awesome outcome.
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Old 2009-04-08, 15:58   Link #29
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I'm pretty sure the World Government had the foresight to know that Dragon may get involved (given that his son is in their custody), so they are probably more than ready if he dares to try something on them. In addition to having the two of the world powers (Marines and Shichibukai) on their side, they probably also have something else that is really advantageous up their sleeve, in case any contingencies (i.e. interference from Shanks or Dragon) arise in this war. One thing is certain, they're not stupid and they must have planned this out for a good while now.
Well, they better keep a close eye on Kuma then, just to be sure/safe, heck they better keep both eyes on the Shichibukai.

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As for who's going to get their butt kicked, you mean Whitebeard right?
We all know that he is going down and that there is a very high possibility he will die (his inevitable downfall has been foreshadowed by both Shanks and Blackbeard).
Shanks is a drunk.....he was intoxicated during the meeting with Whitebeard, he don't mean what he says.

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Know this, the World Government will triumph in this war.
They are not going to lose, since they've already been getting screwed over throughout the course of this story. It's time for them to win for a change.
On a serious note, That so called win will turn into a massive bite in the a$$, for the WG.
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Old 2009-04-08, 16:34   Link #30
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On a serious note, That so called win will turn into a massive bite in the a$$, for the WG.
There is no doubt about that. Even if the WG does win, there are still going to be heavy losses on their side and recuperating from those losses is going to take some time. As long as they emerge victorious, I'm happy.

I'm wondering what the side effects will be as a result of Luffy being pumped with adrenaline so that he can be relieved of his fatigue? Another shortening of his life span perhaps? More importantly, I've been contemplating on how Luffy is going to defeat Magellan now that he's fully healed. Based on what we saw from their last duel, Luffy wasn't a serious threat to him at all since he was defeated with ease. I'm hoping that Oda has come up with a credible way for Luffy to win, because quite frankly he hasn't improved since the archipelago incident, and to our knowledge, he hasn't developed any new moves. Maybe this is where " King's Haki" will come into play, but even then Luffy doesn't know how to consciously use it, so it doesn't do him much good. I'm interested in seeing how Oda will handle this situation.
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Old 2009-04-08, 16:44   Link #31
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Iwa might inject luffy with Anti-poison hormone so that at least Luffy can hit him.. since even with the use of haki the poison magellan possess is just a nightmare for a close combat specialist like luffy.
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Old 2009-04-08, 17:00   Link #32
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I don't remember anyone asking what happend to the crew for a while, so I'm assuming that everyone is happy with the plot so far.
Personally, I don't mind much - it's nice to see something new and different (so long as it is done well) and I can wait to see what happens to the crew. I do care what happens to them of course, but I don't find any particular crew mate more important than the story as a whole. I dare say other readers are different but maybe they've gotten used to the thought (not much choice).


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At first I was thinking that each crew member's side training story should be as long as Luffy's, but not everyone might landed in the same moment on their destination and we don't know how they will assemble. Nami is "trapped" in the sky island, but that nothing in comaprison to Robin or Chopper. They might have diffrent level of trouble with leaving their new training grounds.
It's a rather curious setup. Kuma seems about the only one who could bring back the crew quickly. But will he? I don't see how he logically could in a short amount of time unless he personally can move between islands in an hour or two (which doesn't seem consistent). Think about it - if it takes Kuma a few days to travel between islands and he has to go to 8 different islands then its going to take around a month. So, I'm not expecting to see the crew return before the finale of this arc - particularly when Kuma's kinda stuck with the other Shichibukai for now.

Instead, we might well have to wait for each of them to make it back under their own skill - they'll have to solo the first half of the Grand Line. Which means waiting months. That's much more than a simple training arc - and a lot more "real" if you ask me. Would also make for excellent preparation for the New World. Of course, this would also mean Luffy would have to hang around the area, waiting for his crew to return, but I'm sure he can do that.
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Old 2009-04-08, 17:04   Link #33
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Luffy improved a little durring his stay at Amazon Lily. He activated his haki for the first time and not to mention that he found a way to fight against Haki - Boa Marigold was blocking all his attack with haki and at some point she couldn't do that anymore and I wouldn't say it was because Luffy was too fast.

Untill Luffy punched Magellan and got poisoned, the fight wasn't too easy for Magellan. He couldn't hit Luffy, and after being punched Magellan knealed on the ground, that would suggest that more punches like that would be his falldown, but Luffy was weakening from that point on.

I know that WG will "win", but that doesn't mean that WB will die, or at least his crew case to exist or matter in the world.
Shanks was mostly talking about Ace's losing, and Blackbeard is dutchebag... I mean evil and it's part of his evil plot that WB dies or loses.

I bet Luffy has an idea of how fight someone that he can't touch - the first tries might be hillarious and stupid, but he'll get there


kari-no-sugata - I never thought that Kuma would bring them back together, because he would have to assume that they are trained enought. Franky or Nami might just learn some new stuff, but Robin needs to eighter build a huuuuge bridge or escape. Chopper needs to escape from pot, and maybe make peace between birds and humans.
Aldought I belive Kuma is able to travel very fast, as he can move very fast, why not leap from island to island. His pawn pawn fruit is waaay to badassery in compliation with mechanic body. I always belived that Franky was limited unlike other super strong characters - even Chopper can just train, but Franky was as strong as his mechanic parts.
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Old 2009-04-08, 17:26   Link #34
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Luffy improved a little durring his stay at Amazon Lily. He activated his haki for the first time and not to mention that he found a way to fight against Haki - Boa Marigold was blocking all his attack with haki and at some point she couldn't do that anymore and I wouldn't say it was because Luffy was too fast.
Luffy has not improved at all since the archipelago incident. He still doesn't know how to consciously use haki. And the Haki he exerted against the Amazon sisters wasn't the first time he used it; he first used it against Duval's bull (without even knowing it). Furthermore, Luffy being able to hit Marigold and Sandersonia had nothing to do with knowing how to counter haki. He was using Gear 2 against them, and even though they were able to read his every movement, their bodies weren't quick enough to keep up with him, and so they got hit as a result of his speed.

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Untill Luffy punched Magellan and got poisoned, the fight wasn't too easy for Magellan. He couldn't hit Luffy, and after being punched Magellan knealed on the ground, that would suggest that more punches like that would be his falldown, but Luffy was weakening from that point on.
Luffy was trying to run away from him until he couldn't run any further. Up until that point, that doesn't mean the fight was a challenge for Magellan because he couldn't hit/catch him. Once Luffy finally hit him with his Gear 2 Jet Bazooka, that hit only brought him down to his knees for a brief moment, upon which he quickly recovered from it with no sustaining damage done to him. Luffy's loss against Magellan was completely fair.

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I know that WG will "win", but that doesn't mean that WB will die, or at least his crew case to exist or matter in the world.
Shanks was mostly talking about Ace's losing, and Blackbeard is dutchebag... I mean evil and it's part of his evil plot that WB dies or loses.
Whitebeard's only purpose is to die. His time has passed and his role is now to pass the torch on to the newer generation of pirates. Oda has set him up as a character that is meant to fall in order for the story to undergo a big change. What would be the point of having him linger around like a bad odor once he's been defeated? He won't have that same omnipotent presence anymore once he's lost, he will eventually be dethroned by Blackbeard, and it wouldn't do the World Government any good to keep him alive.
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Old 2009-04-08, 17:44   Link #35
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I wonder how long it will take for Luffy to control his haki. It won't be unreasonable to expect from Iwa the power to make someone control their haki, or make it easier to control it. Even though Oda may not want Luffy to take the easy path, at least he can learn something about it so that he can think of more ways to use it. Considering the future opponents, it will be essential for him to not lose again.
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Old 2009-04-08, 18:10   Link #36
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Bum Bum Bee dum Bum Bum Bee Dum Bum...

Hahaha!!!!! Good. Now I'm not the only one with that ...song... stuck in my head. HAHAHAHA!!! FEEL THE PAIN!!!! MUAAAHAAHAAHAHHAHAHAAHA!!!!

BUM BUM BEE DUM BUM BUM BEE DUM BUM!!!!! BUM BUM BEE DUM BUM BUM BEE DUM BUM!!!!!!! MUAAHAAHAHAAHAAAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!! DISTURBIAAAA!!!!!!!

Anyway: think it would be really disappointing if Luffy manages to save Ace. I want it to fall out of his hands. Just slip out of his grasp when he thinks it's just a few more inches...it strectches into a landslide!€!!!

I would really not like to see Luffy help Ace. Whitebeard should die doing something, saving his 2nd Div Comm., for example. I'm pretty sure he's going to be executed.

Remember: the WG still has the rest of Cypher Pol, plus the Government Agents,and then there's STILL all the Mariejoa legends coming in. As much as Whitebeard is strong, He'll probably have some trouble gainst these people.
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Haha, things are really starting to heat up now. So I see that Onigumo is part of Ace's escort.... well, at least it's one of the Buster Call VAs whom I was most looking forward to appeared (still hoping to see the rest of them soon). It's also great to see that Inazuma is Iva's right hand after all. I can't wait to see him (her?) kick some ass in level 6. I also kinda wonder if Iva's latest injection will be effective against Magellan's poison? He warned Luffy that it has nasty side effects, and the poison might null the adrenaline altogether. It'll definitely be interesting to see how this plays out (hey, a rematch between those two guys is pretty much in the bag now that Magellan's also in level 6).....



Also, now that we know about Iva and Inazuma being rebels, along with all the talk about Luffy's family during the course of this storyline, I think it's pretty much inevitable that Dragon will have involvement in the war. However, I wonder if he'll attack the WG for more...... personal reasons? I mean, both of his sons ARE imprisoned right now. If Kuma really is a spy for him, then he should've already told him all about Luffy's situation. I also kinda have the feeling that we might get a flashback involving Luffy and Ace's childhood, as well. It would certainly help stretch out what's supposed to be a year-long storyline.....




But right now I'm a bit more interested in current events: Chiefly, stuff like the whereabouts of Buggy and Mr. 3. We still haven't seen them reappear, even when we saw Luffy, Iva and Inazuma barrelling their way through level 5. And of course, Shiryuu and the other level 6 prisoners have yet to appear, as well......
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Like a thirsty man in a desert that just found their saving grace in a singular cactus, Oda has provided me/us, once again, with a tantalizing piece of information that makes me salivate in anticipation for upcoming events.
...Am I the only one who thinks that James is super-cool just for his analogies?
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There is no doubt about that. Even if the WG does win, there are still going to be heavy losses on their side and recuperating from those losses is going to take some time. As long as they emerge victorious, I'm happy.
Yeah, but I wans't talking about some Top guys Whitebeard and the dynasty Ko's. I was talking about some of the Seven Armed Sea, giving the WG the finger, after this war. I can see Doflamingo completely truning his back on the WG for his New Era, with Whitebeard and his era coming to a so called end Jinbei has already tossed his Seven Armed Sea title away, and may focus on bring the Pirates of the Sun fractions back together, to bring peace back to Fishmen Island. Kuma seems to be a low key dragon spy, blackbeard wants to become Pirate king
Moria is going to get his rocks handed to him.

Its like exchanging one fight, for 4 more, the Balance will be in shambles for quite some time.

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Whitebeard's only purpose is to die. His time has passed and his role is now to pass the torch on to the newer generation of pirates. Oda has set him up as a character that is meant to fall in order for the story to undergo a big change. What would be the point of having him linger around like a bad odor once he's been defeated? He won't have that same omnipotent presence anymore once he's lost, he will eventually be dethroned by Blackbeard, and it wouldn't do the World Government any good to keep him alive.
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(Phenomenal may complain/comment about Oda stretching out his story, but I personally love the anticipation).
I'm not gonna complain cause this was a predictable chapter. So there's no need to comment.

But you know we have no One Piece for two weeks? Because Oda took off this week and then Golden week [Jump takes off] follows.

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I also kinda have the feeling that we might get a flashback involving Luffy and Ace's childhood, as well. It would certainly help stretch out what's supposed to be a year-long storyline.....
Don't you think the war could help stretch this arc as well? So many established outside characters could get some of that action?

I know...I know I' m a warmonger...

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