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Old 2009-04-14, 14:56   Link #881
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Nope it isn't and I think I can stick with that comparison although speed and turret aren' t 1:1 to the King Tiger.
Well, had it been, then this piece would be Tigers of the battlefield: Panzer Chronicles

On a side note however, both the Edelweiss and the King Tiger turret use the standard 88 KwK

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Old 2009-04-14, 14:57   Link #882
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Quick question, will VC get its own sub-forum?
Don't know, it's up to the moderators to decide and i suggest you (and everyone else) to stop asking about it again since they don't like people asking that question again and again and there are repercussion for those who didn't listen.

Just wait and see if they do make a VC sub-forums.
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Old 2009-04-14, 14:58   Link #883
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I apologise if this has been covered, but in episode 2 I don't think we see the Edelweiss' turret rotate, is this because they don't know how/don't have enough manpower to operate it properly or because it's actually more of a self-propelled gun?
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Old 2009-04-14, 15:02   Link #884
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I apologise if this has been covered, but in episode 2 I don't think we see the Edelweiss' turret rotate, is this because they don't know how/don't have enough manpower to operate it properly or because it's actually more of a self-propelled gun?
Ideally, in WWII a full tank crew should consist of five people:

commander, gunner, loader, driver, radio operator.

However, in theory, it is possible to operate a tank with just the gunner, loader & driver.

Isara was the driver, Welkin was the gunner and Alicia ... er... played the role of the commander in addition to perhaps being the loader.

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Old 2009-04-14, 15:41   Link #885
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On edelweiss' tech for those interested:

Tank turret is pretty heavily influenced by german WW2 Tiger 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_II) - note especially the ballistic form absent in earlier tiger series and rest of the tanks in the anime in general.

Tank chassis just looks plain weird. As if they grabbed Panzerkampfwagen IV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_IV) base and slightly upgraded the front to be more curved.

Wheelbase has clear signature of interwar period (between 1919 and 1938). Small wheels on base due to metallurgical and technological limitations of the period are visible on the tank and separate small track carrying wheels on top. This was discarded in WW2 tanks in favor of having a single set of larger wheels.


All in all, edelweiss looks like a weird mish-mash of 1920 tech and 1940 tech. And on a funny note, take a look at

We can clearly see the driving wheels that transfer force from engine to tracks (ones with spikes in them) in FRONT of the tank. However the tank engine block is clearly in the rear of the tank. Shows that designer didn't exactly have a clue how tanks are built . Well, it still looks pretty, which is the main point though.

Another hilarious moment of "err, that's not how it works" is noted at 14 minutes into the episode, when edelweiss shoots two tanks dead within 2 seconds with it's main gun. Notably, even modern autoloaders would not be able to reload main gun that fast, much less a skeleton crew of 3 on a WW2 tank which generally had to be reloaded manually.

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Old 2009-04-14, 16:00   Link #886
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lol you know when I saw the Ede hax pwn, first thought was "OMG its like they have brought a Challenger 2 from the future back to WWII!"

now if they have "boiling vessel" on board I'd be sold that that is the deal here
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Old 2009-04-14, 16:13   Link #887
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Tank chassis just looks plain weird. As if they grabbed Panzerkampfwagen IV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_IV) base and slightly upgraded the front to be more curved.
I am quite certain the tank chassis was heavily inspired by the King Tiger as well. I made a very rough comparison several posts earlier, and it would appear that the Edelweiss retained many of the subtle details of the King Tiger

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Wheelbase has clear signature of interwar period (between 1919 and 1938). Small wheels on base due to metallurgical and technological limitations of the period are visible on the tank and separate small track carrying wheels on top. This was discarded in WW2 tanks in favor of having a single set of larger wheels.

All in all, edelweiss looks like a weird mish-mash of 1920 tech and 1940 tech.
The Edelweiss was developed int he First Europa War. Although what puzzles me is the fact that the Gallians obviously learned nothing from developing the Edelweiss. Being too expensive or too complex is just not an excuse. Instead of retaining some of its more useful features, like sloped armor, the Gallian Army opted for the Panzer IV Ausf H sans the 75KwK 40 L/43.

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Another hilarious moment of "err, that's not how it works" is noted at 14 minutes into the episode, when edelweiss shoots two tanks dead within 2 seconds with it's main gun. Notably, even modern autoloaders would not be able to reload main gun that fast, much less a skeleton crew of 3 on a WW2 tank which generally had to be reloaded manually.
Shoot, even the game won't let you do that.

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Alicia:"If I could fly, I could drop granades on the Imperial soldiers' heads!"

I don't know why but I found that so dam funny. I didn't expect a girl her age say something like that
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Old 2009-04-14, 16:37   Link #889
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Alicia:"If I could fly, I could drop granades on the Imperial soldiers' heads!"

I don't know why but I found that so dam funny. I didn't expect a girl her age say something like that
lol yea its one line that stands out, thats your Air Force right there ladies and gents
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lol yea its one line that stands out, thats your Air Force right there ladies and gents
lol seriously she could have just said: "I wish I could be stronger so I can protect them" or some line like that, but no she wants to fly and blow their fking heads off.
That's just brutal.
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Yeah, I don't know, they made her so violent and hotheaded in this one. Instead of the slightly shy, but more calm and collected counterpart in the game :/

You know, she is supposed to be a baker... but doesn't seem to have the patience to be one...

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I'm probably one of the few, but I actually like her better this way.
My jury's still deliberating, so you may not remain that way. There are things I like and things I don't.
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Old 2009-04-14, 17:32   Link #894
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Alicia:"If I could fly, I could drop granades on the Imperial soldiers' heads!"

I don't know why but I found that so dam funny. I didn't expect a girl her age say something like that
Maybe that was just a personal touch from the translator, but I can't know for sure since I don't understand what Alicia is ACTUALLY saying in Japanese.

BTW, what's with all the discussion on historical accuracy and such? Anyone familiar with the phrase "suspend your disbelief"?
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Old 2009-04-14, 17:38   Link #895
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BTW, what's with all the discussion on historical accuracy and such? Anyone familiar with the phrase "suspend your disbelief"?


Well, I tend to draw a line, but I appreciate a good dose of relative reality. For example, by the laws of physics and technology, when you fire a gas-operated kinetic weapon, empty shells should eject. It just does not seem to be the case int he anime (although in the game, shells do eject).

Although its a small thing I can easily overlook, its not going to distract my overall enjoyment. Though one can't help it, since most of the arsenal in VC are more-or-less based on the weapons of WWII. It is, by itself a rather fascinating subject of discussion.

Of course, Valkyires on the battlefield: Gallian Chronicles is fantasy, and should not be confused with Tigers of the battlefield: Panzer Chronicles

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Alicia:"If I could fly, I could drop granades on the Imperial soldiers' heads!"
I really don't recall Alicia saying this.

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I'm probably one of the few, but I actually like her better this way.
I just like both for different reasons that are wthin my taste range.
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I just like my girls being able to go "Rawr! I kick your ass!" It's that level of tsundereness that I like. Violent, but at the right parties.

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Maybe that was just a personal touch from the translator, but I can't know for sure since I don't understand what Alicia is ACTUALLY saying in Japanese.
No, even with my limited knowledge of the Japanese language, I can safely say that's a pretty accurate translation.
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Honestly if the rest of the cast have their characters raped like Alicia's I can see VC's anime turning into a slow moving train-wreck. Which is annoying because if the anime became successful there'd be even more chance for a VC 2.

In the game she's calm, rational, intelligent, brave and caring, only really getting annoyed when Welkin does something stupid... like compare her to a (beautiful in his mind) bug. Here she's just bloody Louise with more tits and fewer brain cells.

So long as Welkin becomes more assertive in the next few episodes he won't be too much of a break from character...

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Also, to those complaining about how those two militia kids don't make sense... well sure, how they're portrayed doesn't. But the game has, in her own words, "Shhhuuuupa Aaiishaaaa!", 12 years old with a machinegun and a flamethrower.

When the Gallians say "Universal Conscription" and "all levels of schooling have militiary training" they MEAN it. Primary seems to be basics, Secondary appears to be specialisation, and Tertiary is Officer training. Which is why the depiction of the Bruhl Watch seems so stupid... then again, this is the pre-WWII era, so standard military doctrine probably didn't include the part about ensuring you can retreat safely from a situation.
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Honestly if the rest of the cast have their characters raped like Alicia's I can see VC's anime turning into a slow moving train-wreck. Which is annoying because if the anime became successful there'd be even more chance for a VC 2.

In the game she's calm, rational, intelligent, brave and caring, only really getting annoyed when Welkin does something stupid... like compare her to a (beautiful in his mind) bug. Here she's just bloody Louise with more tits and fewer brain cells.

So long as Welkin becomes more assertive in the next few episodes he won't be too much of a break from character...

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Also, to those complaining about how those two militia kids don't make sense... well sure, how they're portrayed doesn't. But the game has, in her own words, "Shhhuuuupa Aaiishaaaa!", 12 years old with a machinegun and a flamethrower.

When the Gallians say "Universal Conscription" and "all levels of schooling have militiary training" they MEAN it. Primary seems to be basics, Secondary appears to be specialisation, and Tertiary is Officer training. Which is why the depiction of the Bruhl Watch seems so stupid... then again, this is the pre-WWII era, so standard military doctrine probably didn't include the part about ensuring you can retreat safely from a situation.
ok my guess is if there ever was a 2nd VC season it would most likely be AO which I would guess a good percent of us wouldn't want.

I think this season will wrap things up...hopefully

if not a 2nd concluding season might not be a bad idea, just depends on how they handle it all.

btw I honestly do not see how Alica can be compared to Louise?!
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Old 2009-04-14, 18:19   Link #900
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Not second season. Second game. I don't care about the anime, but I NEED a second game. If this helps make it possible, so be it.

Edit: The only difference between anime-Alicia and Louise is the size of her mammary glands and the hitting of the male protagonist. Everything else screams "utterly retarded tsundere with three brain cells".
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