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Old 2009-05-08, 10:20   Link #2381
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it could be anything, it's all about context. like if those lines were from a drama it could be very different what you'd think just from reading the lines then seeing the actors acting it out in whatever situation it is.
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Old 2009-05-08, 22:29   Link #2382
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Care to provide examples of other meanings to better flesh out the explanation for iLney?

I'm trying to play out different situations in my head. I'm thinking if the person replying wanted to express reluctance (generally you'd be able to tell from their voice), he/she'd chop off the "Un".
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Old 2009-05-09, 14:37   Link #2383
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For て-form plus いる conjugations do you pronounce the い separately or is it part of the て sound?

Like, for 住んでいます is there a break inbetween the て and the い sounds or is it one continuous てーーーー sound like in せんせい?
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Old 2009-05-09, 18:21   Link #2384
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For て-form plus いる conjugations do you pronounce the い separately or is it part of the て sound?

Like, for 住んでいます is there a break inbetween the て and the い sounds or is it one continuous てーーーー sound like in せんせい?
The only exception where the い may be omitted is in casual/slang usage, by then it'd become
住んでる。

but for mas/desu form, definitely need to pronounce everything clearly.
As for the break, you really need to listen to get used to it, words won't quite catch how a language is spoken normally, but for a 'break'
It'd be just after the てthen います。
For slang/casual, it'll probably flow faster without one, depends on the person speaking.

Each sound is always pronounced seperately btw, even the ん is; don't be so quick like most of us gaijin to approach it as a 'n'.

Dunno if that answered much; aside from intonations, it's not so easy to explain textually what needs to be practiced aurally, but good luck eitherway
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Old 2009-05-10, 16:38   Link #2385
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@Ryuou; xxanimefan4_ever: Thx

お弁当を私は公園で食べた.

Is this a valid sentence? Does anyone say that in reality?
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Old 2009-05-10, 21:46   Link #2386
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@Ryuou; xxanimefan4_ever: Thx

お弁当を私は公園で食べた.

Is this a valid sentence? Does anyone say that in reality?
The syntax is atypical, though not incorrect. It puts particular emphasis on the direct object of the sentence when phrased that way, and to my (non-native) ears at least, seems rather poetic / literary.
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Old 2009-05-11, 03:58   Link #2387
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Lol that is the kind of wording that will get points for you on a Japanese test (at least you can argue it out). But when you say it in a real situation people will blink a lot at you.

Not as bad as before:

私はお弁当を公園で食べた.

It just sounds a bit wierd as usually put the object right before the verb.

私は公園でお弁当を食べた.

is fine grammatically and colloquially.

edit: Lol if you phrase the original this way: お弁当? 公園で食べた.

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For て-form plus いる conjugations do you pronounce the い separately or is it part of the て sound?

Like, for 住んでいます is there a break inbetween the て and the い sounds or is it one continuous てーーーー sound like in せんせい?
The い is separate. The second is a long vowel.

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Old 2009-05-12, 20:58   Link #2388
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Thx guys and gals.

That's interesting. Japanese is not that different after all. "The bonta was eaten by me in the park" sounds too dramatic. Poor bento...

Next question:

秋山:夏は東京とここと、どちらが蒸し暑いですか。
江口:東京はここと同じくらいじゃないですか?

=>tokyo must be about the same as here.

Huh? Should it be" Tokyo and here are different" instead?
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Old 2009-05-12, 21:28   Link #2389
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Thx guys and gals.

That's interesting. Japanese is not that different after all. "The bonta was eaten by me in the park" sounds too dramatic. Poor bento...

Next question:

秋山:夏は東京とここと、どちらが蒸し暑いですか。
江口:東京はここと同じくらいじゃないですか?

=>tokyo must be about the same as here.

Huh? Should it be" Tokyo and here are different" instead?
No... cause the question asks:
'which is more humid'?
So if the person feels that 'it's about the same' - then that's just an answer off their own personal opinion.

What makes you think grammatically wise, that it should be 'different' between the two locations??
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Old 2009-05-12, 21:44   Link #2390
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同じくらい + じゃない.....?

Edit: <eek> I see it now "じゃないですか?"
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Old 2009-05-13, 04:50   Link #2391
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夏は東京とここと sounds extremely wierd to me.

Why is there a と at the end lol.

I would think this is more correct:

東京の夏とここの夏, you can probably shorten that to one natsu.

Also the comparison shouldn't you put a comparative in? Like もっと?
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Old 2009-05-13, 08:11   Link #2392
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夏は東京とここと sounds extremely wierd to me.

Why is there a と at the end lol.

I would think this is more correct:

東京の夏とここの夏, you can probably shorten that to one natsu.

Also the comparison shouldn't you put a comparative in? Like もっと?
...と...と、どちら... is used when you want to ask about a choice between two things.

Eg:
犬と猫とどちらが好きですか。
Between dogs and cats, which do you prefer?
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Old 2009-05-13, 10:00   Link #2393
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Thx guys and gals.

That's interesting. Japanese is not that different after all. "The bonta was eaten by me in the park" sounds too dramatic. Poor bento...

Next question:

秋山:夏は東京とここと、どちらが蒸し暑いですか。
江口:東京はここと同じくらいじゃないですか?

=>tokyo must be about the same as here.

Huh? Should it be" Tokyo and here are different" instead?
江口:東京はここと同じくらいじゃないですか?
this sentence above is not actually questioning to other.
if eguchi knows how humid deferent compared here between tokyo, he will say"東京はここと同じくらいだとおもいます”might be as I am not sure but I guess here and tokyo are about same.

東京はここと同じくらいじゃないですか? has meaning behind that eguchi does not guarantee how much the humid deferent here and tokyo. so he want to say questionably as maybe or maybe not on his answer.


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Old 2009-05-17, 12:23   Link #2394
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I had a composition for my homework assignment the other day, it's basically asking me to write some random event in my life.

After submitting a composition concerning said random event, upon receiving the work back, I noticed the teacher wrote some remarks regarding how I passed JLPT Level 2 but still manage to screw up on a lot of these auxiliary verbs (助詞) (like は、で、が、を、etc) which are basic requirements for JLPT Levels 3 and 4.

She's a good and kind teacher and I know she means well, but I decide to take this remark very seriously, because these kind of screw-ups could potential derail everything that I've learned for so long.

I have no problem reading and listening, it's writing and constructing sentences from scratch that's my major problem. Perhaps it has something to do with JLPT being multiple choice only that has papered over my deficiencies in this department.

So I guess it's back to basics for me, besides the usual textbooks, can anyone recommend any useful websites where I can do some practice on my aux. verbs?
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Old 2009-05-18, 09:50   Link #2395
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I think you mean "particles" and not "auxiliary verbs" (which would be things like the いる in the 〜ている form)....

But as for where to work on them, I had a workbook a while ago that was specifically for working on particles. Don't remember what it was called, but try searching for something like "japanese particle workbook" on Amazon.
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Old 2009-05-18, 18:07   Link #2396
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Is "asu" (sp?) less formal than "asita?" Is it used the same way?
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Old 2009-05-18, 18:35   Link #2397
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あす is more formal than the causual あした, but the difference doesn't matter a great deal. It'd be fine to use あす in most situations, though for more formal of situations, みょうにち would be preferred.

@Kinny Riddle: Might help you if you ask your teacher for some examples of where you're "screwing up". Might only be with one or two particles. Trying to change the way you've been using other particles for so long could have negative effects. You could try posting some example sentences here and we'll try and help identify anywhere you're "screwing up". Though, if you managed to still pass JLPT 2 still, I can't imagine you're messing up a significant amount.
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Old 2009-05-19, 21:12   Link #2398
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Yeah Kinny Riddle, it may help if you posted your essay. Like Doughnuts mentioned, it could just be one or two mistakes you keep making and you could focus on those instead of trying to start back at the basics.

Alright, I have a few questions of my own. I'll provide the whole sentence to help context-wise. These are from a novel I'm reading called Ookami to Koushinryou (Spice & Wolf).

ロレンスは精一杯どすを利かせたつもりだったが、娘は一向に動じない。

I'm a bit unsure about the meaning of the part I underlined/bolded. From what little I could find in my dictionaries, I think it has something to do with the inflexion of Lawrences voice. Am I right? Like saying something in a strong voice?

目の前の光景がどうしても信じられず、ロレンスはしまいには水の詰まった皮袋を手に取って、中の水で顔を洗ったのだった。

Same here, I don't understand the U/B'd part. It's easy to tell what the sentence means without it, but what is this word/verb?

Thanks.

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Old 2009-05-19, 21:41   Link #2399
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Ah, someone wants to practice articles? Perfect

Please helps me with this:

私<?>父は新聞を読みながらご飯を食べます。
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Old 2009-05-20, 00:01   Link #2400
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Ah, someone wants to practice articles? Perfect

Please helps me with this:

私<?>父は新聞を読みながらご飯を食べます。
Just a wild guess, but の by any chance?
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