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Old 2009-05-20, 00:25   Link #2401
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yeah kinny riddle, it may help if you posted your essay. Like doughnuts mentioned, it could just be one or two mistakes you keep making and you could focus on those instead of trying to start back at the basics.

alright, i have a few questions of my own. I'll provide the whole sentence to help context-wise. These are from a novel i'm reading called ookami to koushinryou (spice & wolf).

ロレンスは精一杯どすを利かせたつもりだったが、娘は一向に動じない。

i'm a bit unsure about the meaning of the part i underlined/bolded. From what little i could find in my dictionaries, i think it has something to do with the inflexion of lawrences voice. Am i right? Like saying something in a strong voice?

目の前の光景がどうしても信じられず、ロレンスはしまいには水の詰まった皮袋を手に取って、中の水で顔を洗ったのだった。

same here, i don't understand the u/b'd part. It's easy to tell what the sentence means without it, but what is this word/verb?

thanks.
ロレンスは精一杯脅かしたつもりだったが、娘は一向に動じない。

目の前の光景がどうしても信じられず、ロレンスは最後に水の詰まった皮袋を手に取って、中の水で顔を洗ったのだった。
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Old 2009-05-20, 00:53   Link #2402
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Just a wild guess, but の by any chance?
That's what I thought. The original sentence used "は" (I was like "huh?"). But why
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Old 2009-05-20, 13:11   Link #2403
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that's what i thought. The original sentence used "は" (i was like "huh?"). But why
父は新聞を読みながら、私はご飯を食べます
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Old 2009-05-20, 13:29   Link #2404
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But the translation was: My father reads newspaper while eating.

Is this a new usage of "wa?" I just see this sentence:

彼女目がきれいですね。
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Old 2009-05-20, 13:45   Link #2405
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But the translation was: My father reads newspaper while eating.

Is this a new usage of "wa?" I just see this sentence:

彼女目がきれいですね。


It's just normal posesssion, I assume you've done that.
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Old 2009-05-20, 13:48   Link #2406
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Hmm, in that case, the の particle could be there, but has been omitted because it's obvious the speaker is talking of his own father. For example, if the previous speaker was talking of his own father before that.

私は (私の)父は新聞を読みながらご飯を食べます

(As for me,) My father reads the paper while eating lunch.
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Old 2009-05-20, 13:55   Link #2407
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Hmm, in that case, the の particle could be there, but has been omitted because it's obvious the speaker is talking of his own father. For example, if the previous speaker was talking of his own father before that.

私は (私の)父は新聞を読みながらご飯を食べます

(As for me,) My father reads the paper while eating lunch.
Presumably as it's a basic textbook, they're trying to make it easy for people; I doubt they'd use two topic markers in a row.
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Old 2009-05-20, 22:43   Link #2408
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ロレンスは精一杯脅かしたつもりだったが、娘は一向に動じない。

目の前の光景がどうしても信じられず、ロレンスは最後に水の詰まった皮袋を手に取って、中の水で顔を洗ったのだった。
Umm...I appreciate the help, but that's not what I'm looking for. I'm asking for the meaning of the parts as I had them written. But so it doesn't get lost on the last page, I'll post it again.

Alright, I have a few questions of my own. I'll provide the whole sentence to help context-wise. These are from a novel I'm reading called Ookami to Koushinryou (Spice & Wolf).

ロレンスは精一杯どすを利かせたつもりだったが、娘は一向に動じない。

I’m a bit unsure about the meaning of the part I underlined/bolded. From what little I could find in my dictionaries, I think it has something to do with the inflexion of Lawrence’s voice. Am I right? Like saying something in a strong voice?

目の前の光景がどうしても信じられず、ロレンスはしまいには水の詰まった皮袋を手に取って、中の水で顔を洗ったのだった。

Same here, I don't understand the u/b'd part. It's easy to tell what the sentence means without it, but what is this word/verb?

Thanks.
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Old 2009-05-21, 09:45   Link #2409
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Umm...I appreciate the help, but that's not what I'm looking for. I'm asking for the meaning of the parts as I had them written. But so it doesn't get lost on the last page, I'll post it again.

Alright, I have a few questions of my own. I'll provide the whole sentence to help context-wise. These are from a novel I'm reading called Ookami to Koushinryou (Spice & Wolf).

ロレンスは精一杯どすを利かせたつもりだったが、娘は一向に動じない。

I’m a bit unsure about the meaning of the part I underlined/bolded. From what little I could find in my dictionaries, I think it has something to do with the inflexion of Lawrence’s voice. Am I right? Like saying something in a strong voice?

目の前の光景がどうしても信じられず、ロレンスはしまいには水の詰まった皮袋を手に取って、中の水で顔を洗ったのだった。

Same here, I don't understand the u/b'd part. It's easy to tell what the sentence means without it, but what is this word/verb?

Thanks.
どすを利かせた - actual meaning is showing off the knife to scare the other.
and どすを利かせた must be shorten actual sentence is どすの利いた声でwhich means scare her with low voice used by yakuza(mafia).

しまいには is usually translated as as last. also the しまいには used (
しまいには。。。。してしまった) that common sense to be used.
してしまった means did something is not usual who had done with panic.
auther is using that word as more expression than "at last" (ついに)、i guess


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Old 2009-05-21, 21:13   Link #2410
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Thanks ukiuki. I give you cookie, cookie. So the first part was pretty much like I thought. I saw the longer version in one of my dictionaries, and that's why I figured it was that. Thanks.
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Old 2009-05-22, 05:50   Link #2411
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Need a clarification on 特戦.

Kadokawa USA, for the Ga-rei Zero show, is using it for Division. I was told that it means Special Combat/Special Warfare. Need to clear this up. Thanks.
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Old 2009-05-22, 09:09   Link #2412
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Need a clarification on 特戦.

Kadokawa USA, for the Ga-rei Zero show, is using it for Division. I was told that it means Special Combat/Special Warfare. Need to clear this up. Thanks.
"特戦" this kanji charactor must be shorten actual word as 特別戦闘・特殊戦隊etc....
as i see that attached picture to figure, it looks like special combat team...
if mercenary wear beret hat who may be green beret combat team.
what is that actual word for 特戦?


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Old 2009-05-22, 10:05   Link #2413
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Need a clarification on 特戦.

Kadokawa USA, for the Ga-rei Zero show, is using it for Division. I was told that it means Special Combat/Special Warfare. Need to clear this up. Thanks.
特 - special
戦 - fight/war/battle

Seems about right to me.
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Old 2009-05-22, 10:46   Link #2414
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特 - special
戦 - fight/war/battle

Seems about right to me.
i think yu ominae need to clarify that 戦 means fight or war or battle.
and i believe some japanese do not recognize its only the word "
特戦"is real meaning for. it suppose to be shorten actual words.
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Old 2009-05-22, 11:54   Link #2415
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i think yu ominae need to clarify that 戦 means fight or war or battle.
and i believe some japanese do not recognize its only the word "
特戦"is real meaning for. it suppose to be shorten actual words.
update:

that 特戦 is the 防衛省・超自然災害対策本部・特殊戦術隊 on ga rei zero.
特戦 is short name of 特殊戦術隊 which is special strategy of battle team.

I hope it help you.


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Old 2009-05-22, 16:58   Link #2416
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Thanks, ukiuki.

Kadokawa USA's official translation for 防衛省・超自然災害対策本部・特殊戦術隊 is

"Ministry of Defense, Paranormal Disaster Countermeasure Headquarters, Special Tactics Troops"

特戦四課 is officially the "4th Division". So there ya go.

Additional clarification is always appreciated by more fluent Japanese speakers here to help peeps like me trying to get around Japanese. Thanks.
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Old 2009-05-22, 20:23   Link #2417
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Thanks, ukiuki.

Kadokawa USA's official translation for 防衛省・超自然災害対策本部・特殊戦術隊 is

"Ministry of Defense, Paranormal Disaster Countermeasure Headquarters, Special Tactics Troops"

特戦四課 is officially the "4th Division". So there ya go.

Additional clarification is always appreciated by more fluent Japanese speakers here to help peeps like me trying to get around Japanese. Thanks.
anytime,
i just glad to help .


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Old 2009-05-26, 05:22   Link #2418
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Oh wise sages of the ジャパニーズ please help me with my modest knowledge of the language!

Here's a link to my comic. http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4459/alan4koma8.jpg Can you do me the honor of checking my Japanese before I publish it. m(_ _)m  --れい

Thank you so much!!!
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Old 2009-05-26, 05:43   Link #2419
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If you wrote this in english first, mind writing the original script and then we can check for accuracy, nuance, etc?
I generally get the concept, but kinda turn my head a little at the first frame when the girl speaks.
Since it's for humour, it'd probably be better to have a source first to check from.
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Old 2009-05-26, 05:58   Link #2420
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「ザッシがありがとう」 is almost certainly wrong. As Mystique says, it depends on what you want to say - perhaps something on the lines of 「ザッシを作ってくれてありがとう!」or 「あなたが作ったザッシが大好きです!」. Though if you're using ザッシ for what you've just made, 漫画(まんが) or 4コマ might be better.

Also are you using katakana for ザッシ and ゼンブ for any particular reason? It's not WRONG, but it seems a little odd.
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