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Old 2009-05-11, 01:09   Link #1641
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The Amagai arc isn't canon with either the manga or anime. It won't effect anything.
what is "canon" (sorry noob question)
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Old 2009-05-11, 01:19   Link #1642
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what is "canon" (sorry noob question)
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/canon

Dictionary.com ftw =D
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Old 2009-05-11, 01:26   Link #1643
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14. Printing. a 48-point type.
dont really see what this has to do with bleach, is that the font the manga is printed in?
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Old 2009-05-11, 04:15   Link #1644
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Canon, in terms of a fictional universe, is any material that is considered to be "genuine", or can be directly referenced as material produced by the original author or creator of a series. Basically, something that is "canon" means that it is something that "actually happened" in that fictional universe. An example of something non-canon is a fan-fiction; a fan fiction about a particular story is not "canon", as the story in the fan fiction never actually happened in that fictional universe.
Yeah, in context, filler isn't canon, the manga is. Of course, this might be debatable, as filler police san might explain gleefully.

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Old 2009-05-11, 06:27   Link #1645
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I found a good example to clarify the matter, see fullmetal alchemist season 1: the story diverged greatly from the manga but it was still canon, because the way things happened crucially affected the main plot afterwards, without "returning" to the manga plot, and ending in a totally different way.
On the other side, see the notorious filler hell of naruto: from 136 to 218-ish, whatever happens is of little or no importance and does not mean progress of any kind;there are no references of these events later on (unless it's used to take up time or another filler arc connects to it, making a side story), and you could watch 218 after 136 without missing anything, meaning that the episodes in between do not contribute to the story.
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Old 2009-05-11, 19:24   Link #1646
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Yeah, in context, filler isn't canon, the manga is. Of course, this might be debatable
The definition of "canon" is bullshit. Implying that nothing the mangaka writes isn't "genuine" is sickening. The anime staff is just as official as Kubo's work. Kubo don't own Bleach, and if he died, the anime team could legally continue Bleach if they wanted. Kubo isn't Bleach, anime continuity is genuine, and there isn't a damned good reason the words "canon" or "filler" should be thrown around so freaking discriminately.

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as filler police san might explain gleefully.
Grow up.
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Old 2009-05-12, 04:13   Link #1647
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The definition of "canon" is bullshit. Implying that nothing the mangaka writes isn't "genuine" is sickening. The anime staff is just as official as Kubo's work. Kubo don't own Bleach, and if he died, the anime team could legally continue Bleach if they wanted. Kubo isn't Bleach, anime continuity is genuine, and there isn't a damned good reason the words "canon" or "filler" should be thrown around so freaking discriminately.
I so agree with you!
It gets freaking annoying when people go arond 'Fillers don't count!'.
If they didn't count, why they would be made in the first place?!

They could simply stop doing anime for some time
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Old 2009-05-12, 08:06   Link #1648
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The words filler and canon exist, people use them to separate material that is crucial to the story and material that is not. I don't give a dime about "real" and "original", I only use the words to separate two different things, because people can get easily confused.If you're understanding something else then it's your problem.
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They could simply stop doing anime for some time
One piece has been running for a decade and in 400 episodes very few were "filler", and it all followed a single plot. Unlike other anime that make use of a plot and then throw it in the trashcan, leaving people with questions like "when are we going to see <insert filler character name> again in action?", which is why filler characters either die or disappear forever.
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If they didn't count, why they would be made in the first place?!
To have something to air while the manga's getting ahead, so that the anime won't have to make an anime-exclusive main plot and diverge from the manga, ending prematurely.
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AFAIK, fanfiction has no limits to its content, unlike fillers which still stick to the metaphysics of a specific fictional universe. I say something that is "canon" must mean instead that it is something that "can actually happen" in that fictional universe according to its metaphysics.
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Old 2009-05-12, 08:12   Link #1650
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The definition of "canon" is bullshit. Implying that nothing the mangaka writes isn't "genuine" is sickening. The anime staff is just as official as Kubo's work. Kubo don't own Bleach, and if he died, the anime team could legally continue Bleach if they wanted. Kubo isn't Bleach, anime continuity is genuine, and there isn't a damned good reason the words "canon" or "filler" should be thrown around so freaking discriminately.

Grow up.
Grow up? Oh hey, are your words some kind of growth serum? Like, extra height? I wouldn't mind that actually.

Yeah. The anime team could legally continue bleach if they wanted. Legally speaking, they can turn the next episode of bleach into 30 minutes of niceboat. There are alot of things that they can do. But the question is whether they will do so. Yes, they can alter the storyline. But would they do so?

Also, this isn't a discussion thread, so lets stop here.
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Old 2009-05-12, 09:06   Link #1651
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The Amagai arc isn't canon with either the manga or anime. It won't effect anything.

Wrong. Being anime original don't have anything to do with that. Because the Amagai arc is out-of-continuity is the sole reason it won't effect anything, not because Kubo didn't write it.

Don't give opinions out like that as if they were fact.
It wasn't an opinion. Even if it was, what you said was just that as well, and yet you are similarly 'giving them out as if it were fact'.

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I so agree with you!
It gets freaking annoying when people go arond 'Fillers don't count!'.
If they didn't count, why they would be made in the first place?!

They could simply stop doing anime for some time
More people would freak at there being no Bleach to filler-Bleach. Also, this is a business, they make money from the episodes.



Lastly, to settle this canonity issue, we should look at it like Star Wars. The manga holds a higher level of genuinity than the anime does.

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When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves — and only the films. Even novelizations are interpretations of the film, and while they are largely true to George Lucas' vision (he works quite closely with the novel authors), the method in which they are written does allow for some minor differences. The novelizations are written concurrently with the film's production, so variations in detail do creep in from time to time. Nonetheless, they should be regarded as very accurate depictions of the fictional Star Wars movies.
I suppose this would apply to translations. For absolute canon, one can only take apart the exact words Kubo wrote (in Japanese, of course). However, as mentioned in the quote, most translations would still be regarded as very accurate.

Also, (I can't seem to find the quote but the gist of it is that) everything in the anime is considered canon until/unless something more official (eg. the manga) contradicts it.
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Old 2009-05-12, 09:39   Link #1652
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The words filler and canon exist, people use them to separate material that is crucial to the story and material that is not. I don't give a dime about "real" and "original", I only use the words to separate two different things, because people can get easily confused.If you're understanding something else then it's your problem.
The fact is, being "filler" or "canon" don't have anything to do with whether or not something has to do with the story. There's nothing to say, no official document that states that anime original material can't add to the storyline. They're official material too, so they logically should have an equal shot at the "main story". Also, these so-called "fillers" can not only have a story to tell of their own, but they can even cover and flesh out the background or history as well.

Don't believe me? Well just look at that "filler" Bount arc. It might not've had much to do with that Aizen shit, but it actually explained that the Bount race were prototypes for modsouls.

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AFAIK, fanfiction has no limits to its content, unlike fillers which still stick to the metaphysics of a specific fictional universe. I say something that is "canon" must mean instead that it is something that "can actually happen" in that fictional universe according to its metaphysics.
That's so true.

But the manga itself has to stick to things that can "actually happen" in it's own content.



Anyway, I apologize for momentarily derailing this thread. I just said what had to be said
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Old 2009-05-14, 14:23   Link #1653
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The anime is canon as well, unless...
- Kubo says otherwise
- or some facts in the anime contradict facts in the manga in which case the manga (having come first) would take precedent)

(Compare with Star Wars where much of the Expanded Universe is considered canon as well, with the movies being absolute canon. But most of the other works (Clone Wars series), novels etc are considered canon as well. There are exceptions but they are "marked" as non-canon)
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Old 2009-05-14, 14:32   Link #1654
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This is NOT a Debate or Speculation thread . If you want to debate discuss or speculate make use of the appropriate threads. Henceforth please keep that in mind ...

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This thread is for those with questions about the Bleach anime or manga. Please keep discussion about episodes in the relevant threads. And please don't ask things like asking who is stronger or more capable of winning a fight, only ask questions that can actually be answered as facts from the anime or manga.
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Old 2009-05-20, 17:25   Link #1655
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How come not a single "good guy" in Bleach die? And what happens if they die? Go back to "Soul Society" since it's like "heaven"?

That's just ridiculous
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Old 2009-05-21, 11:46   Link #1656
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When shinigami die they become the spirit particles that compose SS, as explained by Kaien in rukia's flashbacks. Good guys don't die because the author chooses so, can't do anything about it.
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Old 2009-05-23, 17:51   Link #1657
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I don't know if this was answered before and I'm not even sure if it's fit to ask in this thread but I'll go along anyway.

How many Shonen Jump's Bleach Character polls were there and when does it happen? Was it once a year or few times in a month. I'm interested to see what characters progressed and who went down.
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Old 2009-05-24, 03:58   Link #1658
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Old 2009-05-27, 08:48   Link #1659
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Let's predict the next popularity poll results.
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Old 2009-05-27, 20:40   Link #1660
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Somethings been bugging me while I dipped out of Bleach for a while, what was Orihime's use to Aizen? was it simply to lure the shinigami? Or are there other theories involved? if so what is the factual basis for this?

Im betting this may already have been answered but there's so many pages to get through :S
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