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Old 2009-05-20, 16:07   Link #861
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Well, first of all, what is it like? I read that it is Tomino's "vision" about the future of the U.C. Did you like it? I presume it differs from the U.C. we know greatly.
I thought the story was rather well done, but it definitely has prevalent themes that Tomino has used in the Principality of Zeon as well as Crossbone Vanguard/Zanscare Empire (aka chosen people, master race, etc). Tomino's prose are rather interesting to read. I'll summarize it if I can once I get some free time.
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Perhaps the meaning of existence lies within their will to fight.
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And itís also a fact that the ones actually fighting are never perceived as being tainted.
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Old 2009-05-21, 03:16   Link #862
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I thought the story was rather well done, but it definitely has prevalent themes that Tomino has used in the Principality of Zeon as well as Crossbone Vanguard/Zanscare Empire (aka chosen people, master race, etc). Tomino's prose are rather interesting to read. I'll summarize it if I can once I get some free time.
That would be great, thank you, mate. There's no translation then, I presume?
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Old 2009-05-22, 03:17   Link #863
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Random question...

Why do MS pilots wear normal suits on Earth?
Those are for fighting in a vacuum, right? Why bother?
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Old 2009-05-22, 03:43   Link #864
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Random question...

Why do MS pilots wear normal suits on Earth?
Those are for fighting in a vacuum, right? Why bother?
Well, if those same suits have internal plumbing systems for extended operations, they'd be useful. Also, it does work for a uniform when in combat.
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Old 2009-05-22, 04:00   Link #865
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Random question...

Why do MS pilots wear normal suits on Earth?
Those are for fighting in a vacuum, right? Why bother?
They also function as a how a flight suit would for today's fighter jet pilots, anti-G force, anti flame and all.
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Old 2009-05-22, 21:15   Link #866
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Why it is that gundams or mecha have you join such and such an organization to pilot the machines?
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Old 2009-05-22, 21:28   Link #867
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Why it is that gundams or mecha have you join such and such an organization to pilot the machines?
Because you don't just randomly pilot a giant military weapon that you keep in your backyard.
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Old 2009-05-22, 22:41   Link #868
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Why it is that gundams or mecha have you join such and such an organization to pilot the machines?
Obvious response aside, it so happens that that isn't even always the case. In L-Gaim it works the other way around--the military forces are some sort of elite group that you can't join -unless- you have a Heavy Metal (or some other reason for them to take you...? I just know that a couple characters wanted Heavy Metals for the express purpose of joining the military).

And actually, Kamille apparently kept his civilian status throughout Zeta Gundam, and is the only Gundam character to have done so? I mean, he's part of the AEUG for all intents and purposes (and treated as one if when he disobeys orders), but he's never given a rank.
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Old 2009-05-23, 06:56   Link #869
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And actually, Kamille apparently kept his civilian status throughout Zeta Gundam, and is the only Gundam character to have done so? I mean, he's part of the AEUG for all intents and purposes (and treated as one if when he disobeys orders), but he's never given a rank.
Actually most Gundam protagonists aren't officially part of the military, and that includes Kamille, Judau, Usso, Domon, Heero, Garrod, Loran and Setsuna. Most of them are part of a civilian militia or rebellion or mercenary group whatever, so they keep their civilian status, but still "join" an organization. Only Domon, Heero and Garrod can be said to be not part of an official organization, though Domon was essentially a one-man army for Neo Japan (due to the nature of the Gundam Fights).
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Old 2009-05-23, 11:17   Link #870
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Why it is that gundams or mecha have you join such and such an organization to pilot the machines?
Look at it from a real world stance. Why can't anyone go and buy an assault rifle?

And that's not completely true. There are civilian use construction mobile suits and whatnot, like the Petite or Middle or the Med.
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Old 2009-05-23, 14:09   Link #871
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Look at it from a real world stance. Why can't anyone go and buy an assault rifle?

And that's not completely true. There are civilian use construction mobile suits and whatnot, like the Petite or Middle or the Med.
Don't forget that in the Gundam SEED Astray series, Yoon Sefan created a civilian-use mobile suit that was based off of ORB's Astray series of machines... the Raysta.
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Old 2009-06-01, 08:21   Link #872
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i just watched turn a gundam from beggining till end
i dont quite understand

so turn a is the era after the civilization of UC was destroyed?
but there also gundam wing on there.....
how come?

and who corin anyway?

but, sochie in the ending are so cute!!!!!
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Old 2009-06-01, 08:50   Link #873
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Turn-A was described as encompassing all the previous (and even the future's) Gundam Centuries. Each of them being rebooted at some point by a Moonlight Butterfly (I think).

IIRC, from UC you had a lot of things: Zaku I, Zaku II, GM, Gallop, Kapool, Keilas Guilie (mentionned, from V Gundam), and also the multiples references of White Devil, or Enemy of the Spacenoids.
But you also had the "legendary Shining Finger" from G Gundam.
Corin had a flashback of the Wing 0 from AC century. And within the batch of the Dark History pictures fm I remember the X Gundam from AW century deplying it's satellite cannon.

You can even link CE to UC with the Jupitris design, and the Gibraltar spaceport.

And from AD there are even remnants of a space elevator in central America!!! (the only one we weren't shown in 00 Gundam BTW).
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Old 2009-06-01, 09:01   Link #874
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Wait...So there was a space elevator in Turn-A?
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Old 2009-06-01, 09:21   Link #875
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so everything is begin after turn a in end before turn a
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Old 2009-06-01, 09:31   Link #876
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Wait...So there was a space elevator in Turn-A?
There are remnants of one. If you have watched the serie, remember or rewatch the part when they are in central America, looking for a linear accelerator to propell them into space, at the same place there are the large remains of a "pillar".

Later the sort of gigantic catapult they use to reach the Moon is another remnant of this space elevator (described as a branch of the tree that reached space).
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Old 2009-06-01, 09:33   Link #877
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Ah...I remember that now. That tree thing. Thanks for reminding me.
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Old 2009-06-02, 13:14   Link #878
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Can you point me to posts that talk of Celestial Being's hyposcrisy?
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Old 2009-06-02, 21:10   Link #879
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Well, to be fair, Turn-A was envisioned as encompassing all past Gundam series, but given the sheer improbability involved it's a lot easier to just see it as the distant future of the UC timeline or an AU that follows the events of UC up to a certain point. I mean, considering that none of the previous Gundam series have people digging up mobile suits, it really makes no sense that the same thing could have happened prior to those series. There are only the most passing of references to any timelines besides UC, so it works out if you look at it that way and just ignore Corin (which generally makes the show more enjoyable sometimes...) and consider the "Shining Finger" to be an homage, what with the attacks looking nothing alike (it is sort of similar to the God/Burning Finger).

But yeah, Turn-A was an effort at uniting the franchise in the same way that various American comic books try to unite disparate ideas that have existed in the past, etc. There's a lot of holes, and you sort of just have to accept somewhere along the line that it doesn't all work out perfectly, and either forget about it or choose the version you like best.
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Can you point me to posts that talk of Celestial Being's hyposcrisy?
Can you see show me posts or threads?
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