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Old 2009-06-18, 16:26   Link #20221
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becouse your one of the formost experts on the matter of kalulu
and hence you have a good grasp of kallen's character and mindframe
so i ask again
do you think that the script up to the
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then she could end up as an emotional support for him
part is unlikely
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Old 2009-06-18, 16:30   Link #20222
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becouse your one of the formost experts on the matter of kalulu
and hence you have a good grasp of kallen's character and mindframe
so i ask again
do you think that the script up to the

part is unlikely

Haha, is that so? Well, thanks then. <--even though, i know you are just kissing my ass now, you are up for debate blade, anyone would do, admit it like an honorable male. 8DD

Alright srsly, i think that Kallen could help Suzaku, but i disagree strongly, with the notion "she could do it better than Nunally". This is like, no. Just, no. Kallen could support him as well. <--keyword
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Old 2009-06-18, 16:36   Link #20223
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A)i'm studing to be a lawyer
the word honorbale aint in my dictionary

B)not anyone would do, and even if they DID no one is quite like you

C)the one thing that i think she WOULD do better is FORCE him to open up about his problems
i dont see suzaku as the type who would willingly tell someone else about his problems (he's more likely to keep it all in till he explodes)
and i cant see nunnaly pressuring him to open up against his will
but i can TOTALLY see kallen doing it, telling him to cut the crap and just spill it (it helps that she knows his darkest secrets, and had chosen to keep them even when they were enemies)
and thats part of what i think she'd be best at
sometimes you need a sweety like nunnaly
sometimes you need tough love
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Old 2009-06-18, 16:41   Link #20224
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A)i'm studing to be a lawyer
the word honorbale aint in my dictionary

B)not anyone would do, and even if they DID no one is quite like you

C)the one thing that i think she WOULD do better is FORCE him to open up about his problems
i dont see suzaku as the type who would willingly tell someone else about his problems (he's more likely to keep it all in till he explodes)
and i cant see nunnaly pressuring him to open up against his will
but i can TOTALLY see kallen doing it
and thats part of what i think she'd be best at
sometimes you need a sweety like nunnaly
sometimes you need tough love
a) Then i would be the best lawyer in the whole wide galaxy. 8D

b) is this some in-direct flirting there? 8D //come on you are still kissing my ass, do not worry, i will debate, it is in my nature. : D

C) Well, Nunally is the only true thing Suzaku has, since old times. I think, she is the best candidate, whom Suzaku would open up.
Kallen, could give him emotional support i suppose, but no, not better than Nunally. Suzaku and Nunally, go way back. They have a very, very strong bond. //btw, why do i feel this should not be on Kallen's thread, but should go on romance thread, or on Suzaku's? |D
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Old 2009-06-18, 16:48   Link #20225
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A)thats up to you

B)possibly
although i do have to leave soon

C)suzaku and lelouch go way back
so do nunnaly and suzaku
and yet the first person he ever willingly opened up to abou his darkest secret was kallen

and she KEPT his secret despite them being enemies (revealing that he is resposible for japan's fate would have destroyed any hope he would ever have of getting the japanese people to accept him and his way)
she also kept quite about what he did to her when she was in prison (which would have, at the very least, destroyed his relationship with nunnaly)
and she is now keeping his secret about being zero
all of which he KNOWS
which is why i think she's actually a good choice for him to confide in, she already knows MOST of his darkest secrets ANYWAY
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A)thats up to you

B)possibly
although i do have to leave soon

C)suzaku and lelouch go way back
so do nunnaly and suzaku
and yet the first person he ever willingly opened up to abou his darkest secret was kallen

and she KEPT his secret despite them being enemies (revealing that he is resposible for japan's fate would have destroyed any hope he would ever have of getting the japanese people to accept him and his way)
she also kept quite about what he did to her when she was in prison (which would have, at the very least, destroyed his relationship with nunnaly)
and she is now keeping his secret about being zero
all of which he KNOWS
which is why i think she's actually a good choice for him to confide in, she already knows MOST of his darkest secrets ANYWAY
a) i know

b) "possibly?" you mean, about the flirting or about kissing my ass? lol

That is because, Nunally is pure, he would not want to tell her about something that dark that happened in the past and scarred him. But, about something that Nunally already knows, i think she would be the first choice to discuss matters. //ok, srsly, that one should go to Suzu's thread, he is the common factor here, between two people.
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Old 2009-06-18, 17:03   Link #20227
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B)equal parts both

C)if nunnaly is "pure" and he doesnt want to tell her about the "dark" stuff in the PAST
then it means that he CANT be open with her about everything
he even kept secrets from her WHILE he was working with her as the Ko7 (lelouch being zero, the whole deal with kallen)
and he is less likely to be able to turn to her about the NEW "dark" stuff that he would have to deal with in the future
if the life of zero was all flowers and candy then he wouldnt NEED support
the "dark and scaring stuff" are the things that he would most likely need support with

he kept the fact that he killed his own father secret since he was a little kid rather then try to get people to help him move on
and look how fucked up it made him

but if nunnaly is too pure
then kallen is JUST as blood stained as he is
and he had already SHOWN that he can open up to her on the darkest of his secrets

and i dont really think this should be moved
this discussion IS about kallen and suzkau
and about why KALLEN is the more likely (IMO) person for him to relay on
i think thats enough to keep the debate here in this thread
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B)equal parts both

C)if nunnaly is "pure" and he doesnt want to tell her about the "dark" stuff in the PAST
then it means that he CANT be open with her about everything
and he is less likely to be able to turn to her about the NEW "dark" stuff that he would have to deal with
if the life of zero was all flowers and candy then he wouldnt NEED support
the "dark and scaring stuff" are the things that he would most likely need support with

he kept the fact that he killed his own father secret since he was a little kid rather then try to get people to help him move on
and look how fucked up it made him

but if nunnaly is too pure
then kallen is JUST as blood stained as he is
and he had already SHOWN that he can open up to her on the darkest of his secrets

and i dont really think this should be moved
this discussion IS about kallen and suzkau
and about why KALLEN is the more likely (IMO) person for him to relay on
i think thats enough to keep the debate here in this thread
Yeah, i just realized that my point, actually backfired on me, gave you more bones in the end. 8D
I was just trying to say though, that if Suzaku ever needed emotional support, Nunally could get that. She has that "oh i feel you are down bro"-feeling, and since it is something, that Nunally was involved, i could see Suzaku opening up to her.
Like he could open up to Kallen as well. I never said, he would not open up to her too. It is just, that Nunally with him is 24/7, more convenient too.

But anyway, all this go to the sphere of double-if, since i do not see Suzaku cracking up. He is too busy wetting his pants, over how cool he looks, haha.
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Old 2009-06-18, 17:17   Link #20229
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true
he does look cool

my main point about his ability to open up to nunnaly falls under this
if he cant tell her about the things he's done that he is ashamed of
if he cant show her or tell her about his ugly side
then he cant tell her about the things that truely trouble him
kallen had already SEEN him at his worst and at his lowest (when he was begging her for her forgiveness)
and she still respects him despite it all (and its mutual it seems)
which makes her a good choice

about the cracking up part
you have to remember that when zero talks the world moves with his words
which means that when zero makes a mistake, or says the wrong thing or even the RIGHT thing in some cases
people will DIE
lives will be ruined
conflicts will erupt
even WITHOUT his interference there would ALWAYS be conflict
and everyone would look to HIM to solve things

thats a LOT of pressure for one man to bare
and when this man has nothing else in his life BUT his job, his days are numbered
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true
he does look cool

my main point about his ability to open up to nunnaly falls under this
if he cant tell her about the things he's done that he is ashamed of
if he cant show her or tell her about his ugly side
then he cant tell her about the things that truely trouble him
kallen had already SEEN him at his worst and at his lowest (when he was begging her for her forgiveness)
and she still respects him despite it all (and its mutual it seems)
which makes her a good choice

about the cracking up part
you have to remember that when zero talks the world moves with his words
which means that when zero makes a mistake, or says the wrong thing or even the RIGHT thing in some cases
people will DIE
lives will be ruined
conflicts will erupt
even WITHOUT his interference there would ALWAYS be conflict
and everyone would look to HIM to solve things

thats a LOT of pressure for one man to bare
and when this man has nothing else in his life BUT his job, his days are numbered
This all makes sense. But in the real-lfe concept more. In fiction, there are devices, and Suzaku will stay forever faithful in his role, as Kallen will stay forever faithful to Lelouch.
With a lot of "ifs" and "ah, this and that could happen" that would probably be plausible, but still, in my mind, it does go against canon. Not that much though, it could be worse. 8D

Ok, honest blade, this debated was exhausting. Way more exhausting, than other activities of mine and not that equally enjouable, haha.
But still, it was a good one, i guess we both raised good points, and we can come to an agreeement, that with the salf of certain what ifs, that could be {<=a bit, sorry, can't help it}plausible. Do we agree here? /though, i already scored before. 8D
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should i be askin "was it good for you"
and yes
we agree (until the NEXT guy comes along and starts it up again )
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should i be askin "was it good for you"
and yes
we agree (until the NEXT guy comes along and starts it up again )
I had a cigarette actually, does this tell you anything? 8D
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Old 2009-06-18, 18:02   Link #20233
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I had a cigarette actually, does this tell you anything? 8D|D
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It's pretty much impossible, anyway. By Lelouch convincing him to play the starring role in the Zero Requiem, Suzaku ceased to exist. He died, remember? Even had a Britannian military funeral.

Everyone except the people directly in on the plot, which can be observed to only be Lelouch, Suzaku and Orange-kun, think Suzaku is dead. It's possible that Jeremiah doesn't actually know that Zero is actually Suzaku either, but was only instructed by Lelouch to play along without giving Suzaku's survival away.

I don't see Kallen staying single forever, but I don't see Kallen going with Suzaku for multiple reasons, not in the least that Suzaku officially doesn't exist anymore. It's never explicitly stated that she knows the particular Zero who killed Lelouch is Suzaku, but she does know it's not Lelouch, for obvious reasons. Unless she's incredibly genre savvy and noticed an unusually high amount of spinning from this Zero, she doesn't know it's Suzaku.

I'll freely admit that I pair characters together constantly while watching a series, but it has to make sense based on what goes on. I never once thought that Suzaku and Kallen would go together. I never thought that Kallen would go with Lelouch either, simply due to the massive amount of things they had going against them--not to mention the fact that Kallen would and did hate Lelouch for what he'd done. She all but admitted that she loved him, but you can love someone yet still hate what they stand for and their actions.

Pairing Kallen and Suzaku makes about as much sense (based on observable evidence in the story) as the writers who are backstepping and trying to undo the pairing of Fate and Nanoha in MGLN. The on-screen evidence doesn't support the conclusion whatsoever.
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Old 2009-06-18, 18:21   Link #20235
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It's never explicitly stated that she knows the particular Zero who killed Lelouch is Suzaku, but she does know it's not Lelouch, for obvious reasons. Unless she's incredibly genre savvy and noticed an unusually high amount of spinning from this Zero, she doesn't know it's Suzaku.
She knows it's Suzaku. Even Tohdoh knows it's Suzaku. No one else can move like that.
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She knows it's Suzaku. Even Tohdoh knows it's Suzaku. No one else can move like that.
You're forgetting the LULUCOPTER. Sayoko can easily match Spinzaku's spinningness!

All inanity aside, the only ones that are actually shown to know (through onscreen events and dialogue) are Suzaku and Lelouch. Orange-kun is arguable but it's still possible that he wasn't actually told that the new Zero is Suzaku.

Even so, Kallen/Suzaku doesn't fit. This isn't a ren'ai, it's a show about politics, big robot fights and Pizza Hut; there's not any specific requirement to clean up romantic loose ends. ^^;
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Old 2009-06-18, 22:05   Link #20237
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You're forgetting the LULUCOPTER. Sayoko can easily match Spinzaku's spinningness!

All inanity aside, the only ones that are actually shown to know (through onscreen events and dialogue) are Suzaku and Lelouch. Orange-kun is arguable but it's still possible that he wasn't actually told that the new Zero is Suzaku.

Even so, Kallen/Suzaku doesn't fit. This isn't a ren'ai, it's a show about politics, big robot fights and Pizza Hut; there's not any specific requirement to clean up romantic loose ends. ^^;
Nope~ She knows it, it's within in the "Rurushuu-tachi" line.
Blame Japanese for being vague and implicit.
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there's not any specific requirement to clean up romantic loose ends. ^^;
Not a fan of pair the spares. I'm hoping the discussion above at least seemed to be based on some form of reason.

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should i be askin "was it good for you"
and yes
we agree (until the NEXT guy comes along and starts it up again )
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Hey what the hell I was totally a part of it as well. Does anybody ask me how things went?

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Spoiler for Hmmm:


Well it's time to reunite the Kalulu community.

Time for yvj's semiweekly anthem, screen shot and fanpic.

Semiweekly screen shot:

Spoiler for Soldier:



Semiweekly fanpic:

Spoiler for Heat:



Semiweekly Kalulu anthem:

Spoiler for Old school:


Lelouch has got those hungry eyes amirite ladies? Hungry for Kallen-kewn yall know how it is.

Feel that magic between them folks......its a little thing called passion
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C'est la vie, mon ami.

And Dirty Dancing... I watched that movie so mu... I mean, my sister watched that movie a lot and coincidently i was in the same room as her and saw it too. Getting back to Kalulu, i totally imagine Lelouch singing in his mind "time of my life" when Kallen kiss him.
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