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Old 2009-06-28, 13:45   Link #221
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R.I.P Michael...I hope you are in a better place, your very own Neverland you'd always wanted.
"Gone too soon"...this song seems so tragically ironic now...
It's so sad that he felt so alone till the day he died. I will never forget Michael Jackson, the legend. His music will always be alive.
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Old 2009-06-28, 14:21   Link #222
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I am amused though, at the hypocrisy of the media through this whole thing. For all the past years that I remember, Jackson was portrayed as a nutjob, a weirdo, a messed up delusional freak, and now that he has died everyone is ignoring what they called him and honoring him as a music legend.

Personally I've always felt sorry for Jackson, pity rather then loathing. I've seen his interviews and particularly some of his personal songs and it's obvious that he suffered terribly from his lack of a proper childhood and abuse. Everything he did in his later years, creating his own "amusement park" just for himself, inviting children, etc, was because of his need to live the childhood he never had. But in the modern world we're so obsessed with two things - homosexuality and pedophelia, so it was inevitable, how he was portrayed, and of course parents jumped at the chance to sue. I certainly think Jackson had issues, but I don't think he was a pedophile. He was practically a child himself.

It's a very sad life story.
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Old 2009-06-28, 14:37   Link #223
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I am amused though, at the hypocrisy of the media through this whole thing. For all the past years that I remember, Jackson was portrayed as a nutjob, a weirdo, a messed up delusional freak, and now that he has died everyone is ignoring what they called him and honoring him as a music legend.
Well that's not neccessarily hypocritical. Maybe they're saying that even nutjobs, weirdos, and messed up delusional freaks deserve a good respectful obituary. That's kinda nice in a weird sorta way.
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Old 2009-06-28, 14:42   Link #224
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I am amused though, at the hypocrisy of the media through this whole thing. For all the past years that I remember, Jackson was portrayed as a nutjob, a weirdo, a messed up delusional freak, and now that he has died everyone is ignoring what they called him and honoring him as a music legend.

Personally I've always felt sorry for Jackson, pity rather then loathing. I've seen his interviews and particularly some of his personal songs and it's obvious that he suffered terribly from his lack of a proper childhood and abuse. Everything he did in his later years, creating his own "amusement park" just for himself, inviting children, etc, was because of his need to live the childhood he never had. But in the modern world we're so obsessed with two things - homosexuality and pedophelia, so it was inevitable, how he was portrayed, and of course parents jumped at the chance to sue. I certainly think Jackson had issues, but I don't think he was a pedophile. He was practically a child himself.

It's a very sad life story.
I can't agree more. You have said almost exactly what I feel and think about MJ off the stage. Most of the youngsters below 20 know MJ only from the media, basically with some very negative descriptions, without knowing much (or anything at all) about his achievements in the music world. How many people ever try to really understand him?
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Old 2009-06-28, 15:41   Link #225
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I am amused though, at the hypocrisy of the media through this whole thing. For all the past years that I remember, Jackson was portrayed as a nutjob, a weirdo, a messed up delusional freak, and now that he has died everyone is ignoring what they called him and honoring him as a music legend.

Personally I've always felt sorry for Jackson, pity rather then loathing. I've seen his interviews and particularly some of his personal songs and it's obvious that he suffered terribly from his lack of a proper childhood and abuse. Everything he did in his later years, creating his own "amusement park" just for himself, inviting children, etc, was because of his need to live the childhood he never had. But in the modern world we're so obsessed with two things - homosexuality and pedophelia, so it was inevitable, how he was portrayed, and of course parents jumped at the chance to sue. I certainly think Jackson had issues, but I don't think he was a pedophile. He was practically a child himself.

It's a very sad life story.
That's the media for ya...
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Old 2009-06-28, 16:25   Link #226
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No, they're talking about MJ's personal doctor. Apparently he was administering CPR to MJ while he was on a bed. How does a doctor not know these kind of basic things? Even the 911 hotline guy knew right away "get him on the floor".
Hmm, really? I didn't remember so. Oh well, I was watering the garden anyway
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Old 2009-06-28, 16:30   Link #227
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I am amused though, at the hypocrisy of the media through this whole thing. For all the past years that I remember, Jackson was portrayed as a nutjob, a weirdo, a messed up delusional freak, and now that he has died everyone is ignoring what they called him and honoring him as a music legend.

Personally I've always felt sorry for Jackson, pity rather then loathing. I've seen his interviews and particularly some of his personal songs and it's obvious that he suffered terribly from his lack of a proper childhood and abuse. Everything he did in his later years, creating his own "amusement park" just for himself, inviting children, etc, was because of his need to live the childhood he never had. But in the modern world we're so obsessed with two things - homosexuality and pedophelia, so it was inevitable, how he was portrayed, and of course parents jumped at the chance to sue. I certainly think Jackson had issues, but I don't think he was a pedophile. He was practically a child himself.

It's a very sad life story.
Yep, that is the gist of it. It is just the way it goes, media are so "any way the wind blows". It was sickening seeing everyone back then making fun/mocking of Michael Jackson, for something that was never proven, opposite pretty much.
And now, they are all "dandy and sad". Oh well, hello society.

And yes i have to agree with you again, about what you said being a kid himself. From certain interviews and natural reactions, he seemed like a kid in heart. He did suffer from depression and all this stuff {himself had said so} because of his early childhood life, but honestly, this guy was totally harmless to the others. He was only hurting himself through certain actions, but not others.
Instead, with his music and generous actions, inspired people. Dammit, he will be really missed.
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Old 2009-06-28, 16:37   Link #228
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R.I.P Michael Jackson, I shall remember what you have done for music and pop culture.

Hopefully people will only remember the good about you and realize that you were acquitted of your crimes instead of acting as if you were found guilty.
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Old 2009-06-28, 16:58   Link #229
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It definitely makes people feel bad for occasionally ripping on Michael Jackson's troubles in the past.

With everything bad he might have done, could have don;t, didn't do etc. it's important to remember what he was foremostly, he was a great musician.

There were definitely too many people jumping him on something he was proven to not to have committed.
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Old 2009-06-28, 17:23   Link #230
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I am amused though, at the hypocrisy of the media through this whole thing. For all the past years that I remember, Jackson was portrayed as a nutjob, a weirdo, a messed up delusional freak, and now that he has died everyone is ignoring what they called him and honoring him as a music legend.

Personally I've always felt sorry for Jackson, pity rather then loathing. I've seen his interviews and particularly some of his personal songs and it's obvious that he suffered terribly from his lack of a proper childhood and abuse. Everything he did in his later years, creating his own "amusement park" just for himself, inviting children, etc, was because of his need to live the childhood he never had. But in the modern world we're so obsessed with two things - homosexuality and pedophelia, so it was inevitable, how he was portrayed, and of course parents jumped at the chance to sue. I certainly think Jackson had issues, but I don't think he was a pedophile. He was practically a child himself.

It's a very sad life story.
Yes the media and a lot of people have probably "flipped" the script when it comes to Jackson with his recent passing. But in America at least, that is how it works. Everyone is quick to judge without knowing all of the facts first.
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Old 2009-06-28, 17:27   Link #231
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Most people do operate under the assumption of "Guilty until proven Innocent", such that even when said person is cleared of his crimes, the fact that he was charged and accused in the first place still remains. It's like being accused of a crime is a crime in and of itself.
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Old 2009-06-28, 18:58   Link #232
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I agree with Theowne and AnimeTheme, the media, it's always teh media.

How many days has it been? I don't think I'm still okay with this sudden exit from the living. I wake up and think Michael is not dead.
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Old 2009-06-28, 20:54   Link #233
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I agree with Theowne and AnimeTheme, the media, it's always teh media.

How many days has it been? I don't think I'm still okay with this sudden exit from the living. I wake up and think Michael is not dead.
Three days since his death.
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Old 2009-06-28, 22:22   Link #234
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Wow, Heath Ledger didn't get this kind of treatment when he passed away. I think it's a bit ironic that Michael Jackson is receiving this much attention now when it seemed as if everybody has forgotten about him before he died--and could only see him as a child molester if I may add.

*reads posts above* Seems like I'm not the only one who noticed. =/
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Old 2009-06-29, 03:02   Link #235
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Well, as sad as Heath Ledger's death may have been, the influence of his career on an entire industry isn't even on the same league as Michael Jackson's. An entire generation (even two) grew up with his songs and their images, and inspired alot of the people that would become this generation's crop of artists and musicians. At the height of his career, MJ was undeniably a legend by all definition.

Yes MJ did fade into obscurity following all the scandals and all, but his music endures even after that. And I think part of the irony is that he died just on the eve of a series of comeback tours that would've promoted his music more for this generation.
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Old 2009-06-29, 03:50   Link #236
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I can't agree more. You have said almost exactly what I feel and think about MJ off the stage. Most of the youngsters below 20 know MJ only from the media, basically with some very negative descriptions, without knowing much (or anything at all) about his achievements in the music world. How many people ever try to really understand him?
Worse still, certain tabloid "news"papers (hello The Sun) are brewing up even more scandal, with a story about him allegedly having a gay relationship with some waitor and actor.

Looking at Michael's relationships with women and the coincidental timing this story has come out, it's not seeming very likely. Maybe being married doesn't automatically prove that you're straight, but it is a damn good indicator.

Also, I'm sure a nice big fat cheque helped persuade these people to suddenly remember sleeping with MJ.
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Old 2009-06-29, 08:07   Link #237
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Money is the root of all evil?
Perhaps...

I'm still keeping low out of the debate circle for a spell, but sure have seen some interesting theories and opinions from both sides of the coin (pple who don't care for him and those who do) in terms of analysing his part in the world and how he was more or less chewed up and spat out by the media and by those who use his raw talent to make a buck or two.
Lots going about but will consildate some topics here later.

Speaking of money, the sales of his albums have gone off the roof!
Which is weird, it makes me thinking who or why people are suddenly buying his albums when he's been idle for so long and these albums have been in stores for the 8 quiet years, it's not like it'll suddenly "disappear", any new material he had for the concerts, maybe they'll release later like they did for Tupac otherwise the mad rush to grab albums, makes me think 'what for? If you're already a fan, you'd have most of them, if you're new and now wanna appreciate his music then cool"

But the stats are insane, in this digital, pirate age, it's weird to see people actually buying physical media again on such a large scale *amused*
And just to brighten up things a little (any Americans catch the BET awards recently, I wanna get a download) ><;;;

I think Jamie was doing this for laughs as well as a tribute but this got me chuckling ^^
(Man... this instrumental rocks my world...)



And one from Ciara (her voice is actually isn't bad at all with this MJ tune)



Ah... found Janet's speech
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Old 2009-06-29, 09:18   Link #238
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have to correct myself here...while it was a fun question, I guess the biggest difference between OJ and Michael is that Michael never wrote a book where he hypothetically snitches on himself and was never taken to civil court and found guilty.

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Old 2009-06-29, 12:05   Link #239
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At the end of the day the naysayers are throwing rocks at a ghost now. They do it either because it's part of their job description or they're just your typical "haterz". The rest of us can just appreciate the music and the talent for itself, which in some ways is a very positive thing.
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Old 2009-06-29, 12:16   Link #240
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Hope this isn't true, but if it is, it's a damning indictment of MJ's entourage &
hangers-on:

http://pajamasmedia.com/richardferna...e-living-dead/
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