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Old 2009-06-30, 23:14   Link #2181
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Personally I've never been 100% anti-fantasy. While I don't believe murders were caused via magical means I don't doubt that there can be some kind of magical presence we aren't aware of. Technically, once the game ends Battler can say Beatrice is a real witch. He can't say that stuff during the game, because then he loses. But out of the game he can acknowledge her existence without any harm on him or his family.
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Old 2009-07-01, 02:08   Link #2182
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I've always assumed the final ending will have "anti-mystery" elements, possibly because the full anti-fantasy solution involves some kind of tragedy. In order to preserve the integrity of his family and save Beato, Battler accepts the existence of witches, but also finds a way to keep his family alive and return home, thus creating the supposedly impossible miracle... something like that.
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Old 2009-07-01, 06:53   Link #2183
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I've always been 100% anti-fantasy untill the Ep4 secret party.

LD and Bern statement sounded like a giant loser flag to me.
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Old 2009-07-01, 09:18   Link #2184
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I've always been 100% anti-fantasy untill the Ep4 secret party.

LD and Bern statement sounded like a giant loser flag to me.
Who says Beatrice and Battler can't both win? They just have to change the objective from "beat each other" to "beat Lambdadelta."
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Old 2009-07-01, 09:22   Link #2185
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but in order to beat LD one of them has to lose the game.. so they can't both win can they?
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Old 2009-07-01, 09:25   Link #2186
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Not necessarily, LD loses if the eternal loop of games ends. No matter who in that game loses or wins. in Ep4 we have clearly seen that even in the case that the game get frozen forever LD loses.

Now as to how both Beato and Battler can win... that's something I can't predict.
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Old 2009-07-01, 09:42   Link #2187
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Ok I got a theory. Sorry if it overlaps with someone else's. Im still reading all the pages of this thread

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Old 2009-07-01, 10:12   Link #2188
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The problem I have with the "they let Gohda and Kumasawa go and told them to tell a story" idea is that they're unsupervised. Even if they WERE worried about the hostages, surely they'd tell the cousins what really happened, then warn them not to let the hostage taker know until someone could formulate a plan. I would imagine at least one of them has to be in on it, to keep the other from blabbing. But I can't imagine which of the two would be in this case, especially if the hostage taker is somebody like Kyrie.
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Old 2009-07-01, 10:29   Link #2189
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btw it just came to mind... when did ryu-sama announce the title of the 4th game? was it weeks before the release? or even earlier? *can't wait for anything related to the 5th Episode*
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Old 2009-07-01, 10:56   Link #2190
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I rmmeber that the third game'0s title got announced way earlier... but thena gain I might have been caught in a loop while waiting for the english patch and it was actually just a few weeks.
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Old 2009-07-01, 10:58   Link #2191
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I also think it was announced way earlier, I remember a bit of speculation on who the girl in the portrait was. (It was Eva-Beatrice but many thought it was Maria)
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Old 2009-07-01, 11:00   Link #2192
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oh then Ep5's title should have been announced by now right? Hmmm I wonder when Ryu-sama is going to talk about it... Ep 5 is almost finished so...
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Old 2009-07-01, 11:13   Link #2193
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I also think it was announced way earlier, I remember a bit of speculation on who the girl in the portrait was. (It was Eva-Beatrice but many thought it was Maria)
I thought it was Rosa myself. Maybe it was just the lighting of the picture, since if the hair was more orange looking I would think it was Eva.

Well Comiket is in August, and it's only the start of July. There might be no new 'witch' so that's why you might not be able to compare it to EP 3 which was announced earlier. Plus every episode gets longer and longer than the last.
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Old 2009-07-01, 11:25   Link #2194
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oh then Ep5's title should have been announced by now right? Hmmm I wonder when Ryu-sama is going to talk about it... Ep 5 is almost finished so...
According to his blog, all the text is done except for the characters' "current condition" text in the TIPS. Also, there's new characters to be drawn, and he's been playing Left 4 Dead. I'm a little worried.
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Old 2009-07-01, 11:27   Link #2195
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He played Left 4 Dead while writing? New characters? ... I feel like this is gonna be awesome...and at the same time I'm a little bit...ehm "scared"
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Old 2009-07-01, 11:29   Link #2196
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Left 4 Dead :U Oh boy...
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Old 2009-07-01, 11:32   Link #2197
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I like the new characters bit.
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Old 2009-07-01, 11:37   Link #2198
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Even MORE characters? =P

Well, that alone excites me. I can't wait to see who they are! (maybe we'll even get a young Ange!! :3 )
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Old 2009-07-01, 11:38   Link #2199
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Even MORE characters? =P

Well, that alone excites me. I can't wait to see who they are! (maybe we'll even get a young Ange!! :3 )
ROFL, yeah, but I can only imagine how the hell is he going to introduce new characters... It's all so confusing already...
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Old 2009-07-01, 11:39   Link #2200
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I'd love to see that. It would be wonderful if one of the next games will have Ange going to Rokkenjima (even though it's supposed to be impossible)

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