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View Poll Results: Suzumiya Haruhi (2009) - Episode 04 Rating
Perfect 10 43 14.93%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 12 4.17%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 25 8.68%
7 out of 10 : Good 42 14.58%
6 out of 10 : Average 26 9.03%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 13 4.51%
4 out of 10 : Poor 19 6.60%
3 out of 10 : Bad 16 5.56%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 8 2.78%
1 out of 10 : Painful 84 29.17%
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Old 2009-07-03, 04:43   Link #241
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It was a waste of time. This is a totally forgettable episode, as it added nothing new to the last episode, and it was essentially a clone. I feel I just lost a part of my life. At least offer something significantly new, or don't bother animating it in the first place.

The last episode at least brought some surprises. They should really have used this episode to conclude this arc. I pray for the safety of those who made the decision to keep repeating like this because some crazy Haruhi fan in Japan might go over the edge due to this, essentially because they wasted time repeating the same storyline instead of offering new content that they are now not going to animate.

I will recommend for my friends to skip this episode, or else they'll get pissed off at me for wasting their time.
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Old 2009-07-03, 04:58   Link #242
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I thought this episode was pretty hilarious. I just couldn't believe they were ballsy enough to do this.

I found it interesting to compare differences between 3 and 4. Even though they portrayed the same scenes, the direction seemed totally different -- the dialogue, the art. The decision to use still montages to gloss over things we've seen 15,499 times was interesting. It was like watching two different directors handle the same source material.

Something in-universe that struck me was how differently the characters behaved in each episode. When I saw episode 3, I assumed that was the first time everyone realized they were repeating that two-week period. That explained why they were so downcast the entire time. But now I realize they could have repeated that realization any number of times -- once, twice, starting from the second loop, or anywhere in between. I wonder which it is. I also got the impression that the whole world is operating on some sort of random number generator. Everything is reset to August 17th, the same August 17th every time, but the little details turn out differently. The characters involved react differently to the same situations, the weather seems to be slightly different (Kyon lying shirtless in the heat, as opposed to sitting in relative comfort fully clothed), Haruhi managed to pick out nine (that we've seen) different yukatas that all look good. And of course there's Yuki's recount of all 15,499 loops.

It seems to me that a closed system, fed the same data, will produce the same outcomes each time. That doesn't seem to be the case and speaks for the complexity of the world. I don't know if the author and animators intended to provoke this kind of thought, but... Well, yeah, I guess it was intended. That's why I like Haruhi: The series genuinely makes me think.

And there's always Haruhi in white. And Mikuru was drawn especially awesomely this time around. They're just too cute for words.
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Old 2009-07-03, 05:05   Link #243
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Something in-universe that struck me was how differently the characters behaved in each episode. When I saw episode 3, I assumed that was the first time everyone realized they were repeating that two-week period. That explained why they were so downcast the entire time. But now I realize they could have repeated that realization any number of times -- once, twice, starting from the second loop, or anywhere in between. I wonder which it is.
I could answer this (the bolded question) in a spoiler tag, but it would get deleted.
Read the novel if you really want to find out.

Also, I still gave the episode 8/10.
If they do the same thing again next week, that will drop a lot.
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Old 2009-07-03, 05:07   Link #244
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maybe this is kyoani's way of saying to anime-watchers to "read the light novels" -.-
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Old 2009-07-03, 05:09   Link #245
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I could answer this (the bolded question) in a spoiler tag, but it would get deleted.
Read the novel if you really want to find out.

Also, I still gave the episode 8/10.
If they do the same thing again next week, that will drop a lot.
It's to my detriment that I haven't read the novels. I'm just another anime watcher trying to make it in this world. Haruhi is the only instance I can think of where I didn't read the book first. :P
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Old 2009-07-03, 05:10   Link #246
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I feel sorry to those who are going to marathon this series, I truly do.
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Old 2009-07-03, 05:13   Link #247
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This episode was a gutsy move and I can only respect that. There is already a lot of "playing it safe" in anime so an experiment like this is pretty amazing.

What worries me a bit is the lack of consistent quality animation. The first season was very solid in that regard. Maybe it's the poor quality of the broadcasts this time, I'm not sure.
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Old 2009-07-03, 05:20   Link #248
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maybe this is kyoani's way of saying to anime-watchers to "read the light novels" -.-
Actually, those who did got swept by this move. It's like the studio used the readers' knowledge against them.
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Old 2009-07-03, 05:39   Link #249
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Having read the novels, here I thougth it wouldn't last longer then 2 episodes and it getting 3 episodes didn't bother me and while I do want to applaud them for beeing so ballsy I feel a bit dissapointed cause they're waisting episodes that could've been used better.

Well it did make me laugh like hell at the end cause I felt majorly owned when Kyon didn't deliver like I expected. So at least this episode was a good laugh all in all. Guess the only thing left for episode 4 is playing spot the difference.
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Old 2009-07-03, 05:44   Link #250
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I feel sorry to those who are going to marathon this series, I truly do.


I don't understand why people are getting so up-tight about it. I mean this is Haruhi. The show is know for something like this, and i respect Kyoani for having the balls for actually going this far and doing it. Thumbs up to them.
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Old 2009-07-03, 06:00   Link #251
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I personally rated this a 10 cause Kyoani had the balls to say "lets toy with these people off by making another endless eight episode!" I bet they are laughing their ass off right now. I know I am! LOL!
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Old 2009-07-03, 07:37   Link #252
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LOL at the people in this thread and its diversely entertaining reactions.

Has it ever occurred to you that animation companies don't produce shows only for the money, but for fun too? Now, I wonder how much fun the guys over at KyoAni are having through reading all the reactions in 2ch and other places...

The animation quality was mediocre this time around though, but contrary to popular observations, we also have a few new events this iteration:
  • Kyon's sister is diligent and does her homework early.
  • We got more info on the type of job variations they had.
  • Yuki was looking through the telescope during the stargazing scene.

Plus maybe a few other minor stuff I failed to notice.
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Old 2009-07-03, 07:38   Link #253
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What worries me a bit is the lack of consistent quality animation. The first season was very solid in that regard. Maybe it's the poor quality of the broadcasts this time, I'm not sure.
This is my worry. The first two episodes were "ok" but it wasn't until we got to the 2nd Endless 8 that things seemed to make a big leap back to Season 1 quality, which is good...I haven't watched the latest episodes, so I can't so much about it.

It won't be good if the quality for the episodes flip flops though.
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Old 2009-07-03, 07:38   Link #254
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That's why I'm hesitant to rate this episode - they've clearly succeeded in making me very angry. But is that a good thing, or a bad thing?
Lol, you really can't figure out if being angry is a good thing or not?
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Old 2009-07-03, 07:54   Link #255
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Lol, you really can't figure out if being angry is a good thing or not?
But if they intended to make me angry, should I applaud them for succeeding at their aim?

Let's face it. God Level Trolling is still God Level.
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Old 2009-07-03, 08:03   Link #256
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Ok, I'm watching the episode. Animation isn't as bad as some people as implied. I'd say it's better quality than the first and second ones. However it's definitely nt up to the standards of the 2nd endless 8 episode...with the exception of the glaring bloom not being present.

I'd definitely be happier if we were back to consistent season 1 quality.
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Old 2009-07-03, 08:04   Link #257
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...Is this really going to count as 4 episodes ?

That's almost half the season...of Endless Eight.

I couldn't wait any longer and I read the novel just to see why they're looping.

To be honest it is kinda cute, but NOT CUTE ENOUGH TO HAVE 4 EPISODES!

It's like I'm waiting for a Haruhi episode for an entire week and then I get this!
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Old 2009-07-03, 08:09   Link #258
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My biggest peeve with the animation in this episode (aside from it just not being that defined in places) is that the running animation they give Kyon makes him look REALLY wimpy.

Kinda annoying.
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Old 2009-07-03, 08:13   Link #259
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LOL at the people in this thread and its diversely entertaining reactions.

Has it ever occurred to you that animation companies don't produce shows only for the money, but for fun too? Now, I wonder how much fun the guys over at KyoAni are having through reading all the reactions in 2ch and other places...

The animation quality was mediocre this time around though, but contrary to popular observations, we also have a few new events this iteration:
  • Kyon's sister is diligent and does her homework early.
  • We got more info on the type of job variations they had.
  • Yuki was looking through the telescope during the stargazing scene.

Plus maybe a few other minor stuff I failed to notice.
I really enjoyed Yuki's stargazing for some reason. I wonder what she was looking at out there, and what she could see that the rest of us can't.
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Old 2009-07-03, 08:25   Link #260
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Finished the episode. On the plus side, I thought those dresses Haruhi was wearing looked nice.

Especially that last one with the leggings.
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