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Old 2009-07-04, 20:27   Link #321
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god i hate that tactic >< I wish they made his attacks a little more weaker.
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Old 2009-07-04, 21:22   Link #322
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i heard blazeblue is already sold out, im glad that i got my own copy
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Old 2009-07-04, 22:52   Link #323
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Geez....I've grown more and more impatient. My copy sure takes it time arriving here.....
And I thought I can calm myself by watching Rachel's vid. Guess what? I was wrong.
I went to the shop and bought the game together with a PS3 because I can't wait anymore as well lol

I can't even wait for the PS3 slim or price cut.

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I need to give Racheal and Arakune a decent tryout before settling on my main, but they will really have to click with me to drop V-13 for them. Got to Rank 11 effortlessly with V-13 and double perfected a rank 20 tager lol.
I think you will be staying with Nu-13 as main lol, Nu's style seem to fit you very well.


Arakune and especially Rachel have a much higher learning curve than Nu.
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Old 2009-07-04, 23:38   Link #324
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not unless you stick with the same cheap stuff the other people use on Ranked matches =\
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Old 2009-07-05, 00:45   Link #325
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not unless you stick with the same cheap stuff the other people use on Ranked matches =\
The thing that makes Arakune dangerous are his combo loops and his damn curses. Arakune is also capable of setting up a nasty projectile wall that makes it difficult to get at him and failed attempts can lead to some nasty combos.

I find the best characters in dealing with Arakune are Rachel(good zoned attacks allow her to keep her distance, thus harder for Arakune to spam his curses) and Nu(in my opinion the best in dealing with Arakune). He should have a lot of trouble spamming considering Nu has swords that can hit full screen and when Arakune gets hit the curse cloud vanishes.
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Old 2009-07-05, 01:01   Link #326
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I'm seriously wondering what do people consider "cheap stuff" =/
If it's something that people have a hard time countering.....well, good luck, because if you give in against such tactic, then I hardly think you're also a good player. Don't you feel something is wrong when you fall for the same trick more than twice?

Of course the pro with such tactic is way more dangerous, since the moment his trick got blown out, he switches to other technique instantly, but most of the time when you can counter it, then it's your win already.

I find Carl's looping air combo is more dangerous, but not many people can pull it off.

Btw, this Rachel has serious skill, but I must say Hakuman's combo is hurt, really hard.


I like how she uses her "wind".
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Old 2009-07-05, 01:21   Link #327
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I'm seriously wondering what do people consider "cheap stuff" =/
Hakumen 3 hit combos that takes away 75% of my HP... that's cheap.

But it's expected, he's a beast.
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Old 2009-07-05, 01:39   Link #328
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I'm seriously wondering what do people consider "cheap stuff" =/
Its more of an issue of spamming than "cheap characters".

Most people that spam, while it may be annoying, its not like they are difficult to beat.

I think the only character you can definitively classify as cheap is Hakumen soley for his overdamaging combos. Arakune while he can become annoying with his bug curse attack, if you have someone who is skilled enough with a character give it their all against someone who is spamming with Arakune, he shouldn't be that hard to beat.
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Old 2009-07-05, 03:58   Link #329
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I'm seriously wondering what do people consider "cheap stuff" =/
If it's something that people have a hard time countering.....well, good luck, because if you give in against such tactic, then I hardly think you're also a good player. Don't you feel something is wrong when you fall for the same trick more than twice?
Amen brother. While I haven't played Blazblue yet (still waiting for it through the mail), this applies to any fighter, be it SF4, Tekken, Soul Caliber, etc. I'm dead certain it applies to Blazblue as well. (Heck, it even applies to competitive trading card games like Magic: The Gathering, but I won't go there...)

This is especially true for competitive games (ie. ranked matches). If I see someone unable to deal with a certain tactic/move/special combo, and no matter how many times I do it the opponent doesn't seem to learn, you can bet that I will keep on doing it until either the enemy learns to counter it or they're dead.

Granted, how easy to counter a certain tactic/move/combo differs with each character, but hey, that's why matchups are never straight up 50/50 unless its the mirror. Its a fact that fighting games are never balanced despite how hard they try to make it out to be.

Seriously, you don't suddenly change your gameplan if its working... no, that's not how being competitive is. Being competitive means achieving victory through any means outside of cheating, and if that means spamming the same move over and over again because the opponent doesn't know how to deal with it, then its fair game. If you can't deal with such a predictable attack pattern, then it shows a lack of skill on your part, not on the opponent's. Take it as a lesson of sorts as a way to experiment in finding a counter for it.

But if you refuse to find a counter for it and don't change your tactics (all the while complaining about said spam), then you're likely more suited towards the casual matches, since those who ONLY kows how to spam are the lowest tier of skilled players. If you can't deal with them, then how much more against better ones?



As for reason why people play rank matches, I can't speak for everyone, but I certainly don't play it for bragging rights about how high my points are. I use it mainly to avoid the 'scrubs' and fight against more skillful players so that I learn how to deal with a variety of tough situations. Unlike RPGs, you only really improve your skill by fighting hard battles, and you never increase your skill by defeating countless easy opponents. Ranked matches are simply just a way to find opponents of equal skill or preferably greater. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Old 2009-07-05, 05:40   Link #330
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So no EU release date so far? :|
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Old 2009-07-05, 06:05   Link #331
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I need to give Racheal and Arakune a decent tryout before settling on my main, but they will really have to click with me to drop V-13 for them. Got to Rank 11 effortlessly with V-13 and double perfected a rank 20 tager lol.

Also flowchart time!

Great flow chart, I love it.
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Old 2009-07-05, 06:06   Link #332
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this game seems good
I think we will be seeing these characters in Mugen soon lol

oh if this games get any better, I'd hope they make GG vs. BlazBlue game
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Old 2009-07-05, 06:20   Link #333
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Amen brother. While I haven't played Blazblue yet (still waiting for it through the mail), this applies to any fighter, be it SF4, Tekken, Soul Caliber, etc. I'm dead certain it applies to Blazblue as well. (Heck, it even applies to competitive trading card games like Magic: The Gathering, but I won't go there...)

This is especially true for competitive games (ie. ranked matches). If I see someone unable to deal with a certain tactic/move/special combo, and no matter how many times I do it the opponent doesn't seem to learn, you can bet that I will keep on doing it until either the enemy learns to counter it or they're dead.
Oh yes, I wasn't disagree with you either. When I got hit by the same trick more than twice, I already knew something is wrong with me, and I have to change my style immediately (took me a quite to learn how to screw my habit and act on my brain instead). I'd rather take my time to figure out how to counter such tactic instead of going around screaming "cheap trick". I found that I can improve myself better with that kind of playing in other games (Soul Calibur, GG, KOF, and some minor games that I don't think many people will recognize, like Last Blade. Never touched SF or Tekken, though).

But what can I do if people don't learn? =/
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Old 2009-07-05, 06:37   Link #334
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I need to give Racheal and Arakune a decent tryout before settling on my main, but they will really have to click with me to drop V-13 for them. Got to Rank 11 effortlessly with V-13 and double perfected a rank 20 tager lol.
Apparently V-13 is SF4's Sagat. Top tier and pretty broken if used properly.
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Old 2009-07-05, 06:55   Link #335
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Apparently V-13 is SF4's Sagat. Top tier and pretty broken if used properly.
I'll say the V-13 = SFIV Sagat is spot on if Sagat in SFIV had Akuma's health.
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Old 2009-07-05, 08:45   Link #336
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I'll say the V-13 = SFIV Sagat is spot on if Sagat in SFIV had Akuma's health.
Mind you I don't have the game yet, my comparison with Sagat wasn't based on how they play but on the fact both characters are top tier in their games and both of them don't seem to have any unfavorable matchup, seeing how people so far in other forums are commenting on V-13.
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Old 2009-07-05, 08:51   Link #337
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Agh! Just played with a friend who has one, Taokaka is rad...

Pretty much I mashed the control and seemingly I can pull of a few nifty stuff. My friend now is mad at me since he lost to my button mashing.
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Old 2009-07-05, 10:31   Link #338
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I say fuck competitive play, I play to have fun. and if you're going to spam the same 2 or 3 moves over and over, I'm gonna spam the same 3 or 2 moves over that counter his cheap moves.

This person i was fighting liked to spam Noel's "Cheap Tactic" so i decided, "Hey, lets see if this person can counter someone elses cheap tactic" and sense I was using Jin, I fucked their ass with bunch of ice spells and easly enough, They couldnt even attack after that. Seeing that their only "SKILL" was to spam

Not to say I couldnt have beaten her without using cheap tactics, I just thought it was Fair to fight fire with fire (even tho i was using ice)

Whats the point of Ranked matches when it doesnt do a damn thing except show how determined you are to being the top Spam user. Well thats what it seems like online anyways, everyone using their characters spam tactics.

The only two characters I deem "actually" cheap, are Arakune and Jin, Jin's Ice moves and Arakune's Bee attack from hell. Not that its hard to get around, but it gets annoying when everyones doing it to get a higher rank.
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Old 2009-07-05, 10:46   Link #339
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I'd rather take my time to figure out how to counter such tactic instead of going around screaming "cheap trick".
I think it more has to do with annoyance than difficulty to counter. The spammers should be easy to beat for any decently skilled player who knows how to dodge and block. If I'm fighting nothing but spammers in ranked matches(while it may mean easy wins for me) it wouldn't be that enjoyable.

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oh if this games get any better, I'd hope they make GG vs. BlazBlue game
Thats something I hope for as well. I'd love to have a May vs. Noel match.
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Old 2009-07-05, 10:57   Link #340
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what I wonder is if their gonna have Decent Add ons
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