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Old 2009-07-06, 10:56   Link #241
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Of course not; but there could always be a scenarios like this: X person is in the boat for various reasons, Y person from the island dies, then X person steps on the island. Technically, there are 17 people on the island, but there is one more than in the previous games.
I guess, but there's a typhoon, the boat would most likely be destroyed on the shore or taken away by the tide even if it was tied up. I definitely think that as people die, more people probably somehow get onto the island though to replenish the numbers back to 17.
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Old 2009-07-06, 11:06   Link #242
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I guess, but there's a typhoon, the boat would most likely be destroyed on the shore or taken away by the tide even if it was tied up. I definitely think that as people die, more people probably somehow get onto the island though to replenish the numbers back to 17.
But there has to be a secure way to keep boats somewhat safe during a typhoon, or at least tied; remember that in ep 1 it's mentioned that Krauss' boat is out for repair? I doubt he repairs it every time after a storm. He must take some precautions. And then there's also the secret port at Kuwadorian, which might be more sheltered; it's very likely that the culprits are aware of its existence.

Regarding your theory: that's interesting (though doubtful yet again due to lack of means of transporting people during the typhoon); it would mean that during the time frame of October 4th-5th there could be a number of maximum 34 people that passed onto Rokkenjima. 34? Wait...Lambda! xD
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Old 2009-07-06, 11:10   Link #243
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But this way we wouldn't get a happy end withouth breaking the red truth. Because if we manage that no one dies, the new person would be the 18th
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Old 2009-07-06, 11:20   Link #244
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But this way we wouldn't get a happy end withouth breaking the red truth. Because if we manage that no one dies, the new person would be the 18th
You only have 2 realistic options then. Either someone's already dead that everyone thinks is still alive, or someone's playing the part of 2 people.

Only the magical perspective can possibly insert an active none-human piece that does not violate the 17 human/person limit.
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Old 2009-07-06, 11:46   Link #245
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Both ports might not be considered part of the island. The culprit could just walk in and murder people, then return to their hiding place until their next move.

There's also the place where the shrine was, which isn't on the island.

All things considered, though, it's probably not that.

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Old 2009-07-06, 12:00   Link #246
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Of course not; but there could always be a scenarios like this: X person is in the boat for various reasons, Y person from the island dies, then X person steps on the island. Technically, there are 17 people on the island, but there is one more than in the previous games.
The "no more than 17 people " now makes even more sense not as a trap used by beato to force batler to think only that someone taking kinzo's place was the culprit, just to later crush his theories easily. But also as a fact that people can get on the island once the twilights starts, something like what cronotrig mentioned about the original japanese text.

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Just something to point out about the Japanese here...and also the English, although it doesn't translate perfectly.

This '18th person X' doesn't have to be a single, specific person. By the strictest definition, all this line means is that there will never be 18 people on the island at any point in time. In other words, there's no one you could call 'the 18th person on the island' because there are only 17 there.

In other words, if someone has died or left the island, someone else could then enter the island and the red wouldn't be violated, even if the 17 people we know were all on the island to start with (i.e. no Kanon=Shannon theory is needed).

Also, bern's playing around with the pieces might mean that there is a miracle that someone survives the storm and lands on rokkenjima.
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Old 2009-07-06, 12:01   Link #247
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Well... The rock could be hollowed out or something, and extend underground. It's obviously a significant place, maybe that's where they're all hiding.
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Old 2009-07-06, 12:12   Link #248
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known facts with personal hypothesis and wild guesses

What if the person always lands on the island, at about the same time the first twilight happens, so the persons going to attend her (at random) do not get killed, adn what went wrong in Episode 3 was that nobody saved her.
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Old 2009-07-06, 12:15   Link #249
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known facts with personal hypothesis and wild guesses

What if the person always lands on the island, at about the same time the first twilight happens, so the persons going to attend her (at random) do not get killed, adn what went wrong in Episode 3 was that nobody saved her.
This is interesting. But what if she is the key, what if it's the people that attend to her that do die? Maybe she's the mystery guest in EP2. So many possibilities... Maybe she comes to every conference in secret, to meet with Maria. Or, Idk. I'm just guessing.

Here's another theory though. Maybe she's a hoax. D:
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Old 2009-07-06, 13:00   Link #250
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Maybe they pulled a diddy's conquest ?

the DK2 videogame, aka Diddy Kong's Quest got it's name changed to Diddy's Kong Quest before it was published, since nintendo told some people of the change by phone, they assumed it was Diddy's Conquest.
Maybe it's the Land of the Golden Witch (the one who was supossed to be Episode 4) and they misheard Land for End ?
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Old 2009-07-06, 13:22   Link #251
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I know the idea that the new witch is connected to or even the personification of Maria's rose has been thrown around already, but I arrived at the same conclusion.

1.) MARIA has been stated to be able to create something out of nothing. She turned a stuffed lion into a little boy and a bunch of bunny figurines into bunny-eared sniper girls, so turning a rose into a girl doesn't seem that far-fetched.

2.) The witch has several roses on her hat, and a red rose pattern on her pantyhose.

3.) Her dress is pink and white - which are the exact same colors as the candy wrapper George used to mark the rose.

4.) As stated before, the "Bara" part of Umineko no Naku Koro ni Bara can have several meanings, one of them being "rose".

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Old 2009-07-06, 13:29   Link #252
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You think they're using that reading? It'd actually make sense.
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Old 2009-07-06, 13:37   Link #253
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yeah I think Serpit might just be right... it makes sense at least...
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Old 2009-07-06, 13:40   Link #254
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Uhm, about Maria creating the Siesta Sisters... Sure, the bunnies were her toys, but the TIPS mention something about that the Siesta Corps were formed by Pendragon. Apparently, 451 & 45 are only being lend out to Beatrice due to a long relationship with the Pendragon family? I don't know if that's important in any way, but it the identity of Pendragon kinda bugs me since Ep 4. So yeah, has anyone an idea regarding that?
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Old 2009-07-06, 13:41   Link #255
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Hey guys, long time lurker, first time poster. After looking at those revealing screenies of EP5 I am now going to reveal my theory on what game the are playing. I started this theory when I was in mid ep3 and only strengthened it after reading ep 4 and now reading that 3rd pic of ep5.

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Old 2009-07-06, 13:45   Link #256
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Uhm, about Maria creating the Siesta Sisters... Sure, the bunnies were her toys, but the TIPS mention something about that the Siesta Corps were formed by Pendragon. Apparently, 451 & 45 are only being lend out to Beatrice due to a long relationship with the Pendragon family? I don't know if that's important in any way, but it the identity of Pendragon kinda bugs me since Ep 4. So yeah, has anyone an idea regarding that?
King Arthur. That's why they're so British, too.

It's kind of like pretending your toy sword is Excalibur, I don't think there's much meaning in it.

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Of course this is only the tip of the iceberg, I got so much backing and stuff on why they are playing a poker game, but so far I have not seen any thing in the game that can disapprove this theory. What do you guys think?
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Old 2009-07-06, 13:54   Link #257
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About the rose girl...

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Old 2009-07-06, 14:05   Link #258
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So...should we call the new girl "Bara-Beatrice" maybe :P?

Beatrice wasn't technically defeated. She pretty much /let/ Battler win, as Lambda's deadly red truth showed. And I still don't believe Lambda would replace Beatrice unless there was a reason for it.
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Old 2009-07-06, 14:07   Link #259
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Hmm well I think that maybe the girl in the portrait AND the person who shipwrecked are two different people... so it wouldn't be impossible for her to be Maria's rose...

But as for the painting... I don't know D:
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Old 2009-07-06, 14:09   Link #260
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So...should we call the new girl "Bara-Beatrice" maybe :P?

Beatrice wasn't technically defeated. She pretty much /let/ Battler win, as Lambda's deadly red truth showed. And I still don't believe Lambda would replace Beatrice unless there was a reason for it.
Yes, but she was 'defeated'. And in the tea party they stated that Beato would lose. So 'would' stated that the game will go on. But "End of the Golden Witch" doesn't sound too good to me :P And the portrait must be a new Beatrice. Although I'm a little unsure of this "Rose Girl" thing... It is similiar, but I don't see how she can be Beatrice when she is 'owned' by Maria.

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