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Old 2009-07-16, 13:58   Link #2321
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It's a big heavy sword that breaks things while the shield blocks energy blasts. What about this is hard to believe, aside from the standard fare about such a sword even existing?
The way I see it, the Excalibur sword doesn't use the MSV technology that the Lancelot, Tristan, and Guren SEITEN does because it doesn't need it. Its size likely allows it to be much sturdier than the MSV swords, and as a result, its size and weight gives it more than ample cutting power. Its energy shielding capabilities, I imagine, is a new experimental technology, probably built upon the development of energy weapons such as those used in the Shinkirou, Tristan, Guren, and Shen-Hu.

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What Rising said. See this image.
... totally didn't know about that image.
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Old 2009-07-16, 13:59   Link #2322
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techniclly the "generation" bit only applys to britannian KMF's (since they created the whole thing)
the guren is IN EFFECT the second 7th gen (making all its derivitives like the gekka the same)
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Old 2009-07-16, 14:06   Link #2323
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In fact, albion, guren..they're always 7th generation, with some special upgrade (energy wings) they becomed a sort of "8th generation", but the main body at last is always the same.

The Merlin can be a 9th generation (built to destroy guren and shinkirou) but this is a fanmade kmf.

However, in the original geass world there're a couple of real 8th generation kmf, the robots of pollux rui britannia and his brother.
But they're visible only in the rpg game on nintendo DS.
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Old 2009-07-16, 14:07   Link #2324
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what
the albion is brand spanking new
its the first (and only) 9th gen ever built from the ground up

the guren on the other hand, is a HEAVILY modified 7th gen (since its still the same machine)
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Old 2009-07-16, 14:12   Link #2325
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Yes, but depend by a point of view, every mecha website write a different generation chronicles for the kmf.
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Old 2009-07-16, 14:12   Link #2326
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the guren on the other hand, is a HEAVILY modified 7th gen (since its still the same machine)
The only thing remotely the same on the Guren is the cockpit. Everything else was rebuilt or replaced.
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Old 2009-07-16, 14:12   Link #2327
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no
the albion is a 9th
its SAID ON THE SHOW that its a 9th

@morbo
but its still the same machine
hence, a very heavily modified 7th gen
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Old 2009-07-16, 14:17   Link #2328
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... totally didn't know about that image.
Neither did I. First time seeing it.

Interesting to see that the Gawain is actually a 6th Gen machine and only the Shinkirou and machines of the Knights of Rounds (minus possibly the Lancelot Conquista) fall under the 8th Gen.

That aside, I think we seriously need the source, higher resolution and possibly a translation of this pic.
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Old 2009-07-16, 14:20   Link #2329
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but its still the same machine
hence, a very heavily modified 7th gen
For all intents and purposes, it's 9th, even if the base was a lesser machine. They replaced the core drive, rebuilt both arms and legs (it's taller than the previous model), the chest, everything. The only thing left original on it was probably the central framework and cockpit (since the latter's more a software deal).

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That aside, I think we seriously need the source, higher resolution and possibly a translation of this pic.
It's from "Code Geass R2 The Complete" official guidebook. Translation will be a mite harder to come by, but you can get the gist from the numbers.
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Old 2009-07-16, 14:26   Link #2330
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i think that if they had rebuilt the legs they would have changed the land spinner design (internal instead of external)
they just put better armor on them

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but my point was still
that its the same machine underneath it all
its just heavily modified to the degree that it can be CONSIDERED a 9th gen
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Old 2009-07-16, 14:29   Link #2331
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i think that if they had rebuilt the legs they would have changed the land spinner design (internal instead of external)
they just put better armor on them
It's way more than slap on armor. Look at the hip joints and feet. Totally different design. They kept the internalized spinners because they were improving the original concept.
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Old 2009-07-16, 14:31   Link #2332
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It's way more than slap on armor. Look at the hip joints and feet. Totally different design. They kept the internalized spinners because they were improving the original concept.
they removed the canon
and the harken
and the float system
its more then just improve teh original concept
they removed what they didnt like and replaced it with what they DO
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Old 2009-07-16, 14:32   Link #2333
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they removed the canon
and the harken
and the float system
its more then just improve teh original concept
they removed what they didnt like and replaced it with what they DO
Granted, it's extensive improvements, but improvements all the same. The cannon sucked, and the one harken was replaced with two. The float system was snap-on anyway. They didn't change that much, just a lot of upgrades.
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Old 2009-07-16, 14:32   Link #2334
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how about we just agree that it kicks ass
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Old 2009-07-16, 14:33   Link #2335
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how about we just agree that it kicks ass
Can't disagree there.
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Old 2009-07-16, 14:33   Link #2336
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Granted, it's extensive improvements, but improvements all the same. The cannon sucked, and the one harken was replaced with two.
Three, if you want to count the Harken arm.
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Old 2009-07-16, 14:34   Link #2337
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Three, if you want to count the Harken arm.
Of course!
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Old 2009-07-21, 07:04   Link #2338
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i just realized something
the guren SEITEN eight extremities type is called "eight extremities" because it has 8 limbs (in terms of weapons)
2 arms
2 legs
2 harkens
2 wings
all of which are independent from each other
in other words, when your face to face with it, it can attack you in 8 different ways at the same time
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Old 2009-07-22, 10:40   Link #2339
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That's actually a good point though I don't see how you could attack with all limbs at once since the left arm has no ranged weaponry to speak of.
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That's actually a good point though I don't see how you could attack with all limbs at once since the left arm has no ranged weaponry to speak of.
close range attacks then
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