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Old 2009-07-21, 06:21   Link #1801
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magnus, I'll do the research as soon as I am at home. Currently at work and paying bills is currently more important than doing some brain stuff But I won't forget your request. Just need some time.
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Old 2009-07-21, 06:26   Link #1802
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magnus, I'll do the research as soon as I am at home. Currently at work and paying bills is currently more important than doing some brain stuff But I won't forget your request. Just need some time.
Okay. Thanks!
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Old 2009-07-21, 07:37   Link #1803
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Of course Ranka has grown from episode one, but in a stunted way, IMO. She clearly gained tons of self-confidence, but she still fundamentally approaches things from a "How does this relate to me?" perspective, while Sheryl and Alto do not. How do I know this? Because the show went out of its way to show me that they cared about the perspective of other people, in case of Sheryl and Alto, and very conspiciously did not with Ranka.
I will just reply this comment (well, since this comment is about my post anyway)

This is not true in my opinion.

In a grand scale, Ranka is the only one who cares perspective from other ppl..in fact, she is the only one who cares the perspective from Vajra!!! Well, this is because 1)she is generally a very kind individual 2)her connection with Vajra forces her to find the truth

On the other hand, Alto and Sheryl, only care about themselves when they fight against Vajra. In a way, Alto and Sheryl treats the term "me" as MF, and "they" as Vajra..so they never think of coexistence, and coexistence is the theme in many macross series

And of course, you can't blame Alto and Sheryl, because they are only human being and they don't have the power that Ranka has..but in my opinion, Ranka is the one who starts to search coexistence between MF and Vajra...and Her immediate act to sing after getting rescued, hoping to stop the war between MF and Vajra in episode 25, is the very solid proof that she cares about others

BTW, happy b-day magnuskn??

Edit: and I am getting tired to write long post lol, and usually I will stop when I think I get my message across, so please don't feel surprised if I stop responding, use Swampstorm's word, I may absent from the conversation but it doesn't mean I concur with what's being said (huge thanks Swampstorm!!! )

Edit: Tak, you can read chinese?? I can't read japanese, but somehow, I can read chinese..I visit to many chinese forum about macross, and I don't feel the Sheryl's dominance as you mention, in fact, animesuki's macross forum is the most Sheryl's dominance forum I have ever seen...I don't wanna doubt you..it must be because I haven't gone to that chinese website you mention..Can you post the link here, so I can see how dominant Sheryl is in that particular chinese website??
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Old 2009-07-21, 08:46   Link #1804
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I will just reply this comment (well, since this comment is about my post anyway)

This is not true in my opinion.

In a grand scale, Ranka is the only one who cares perspective from other ppl..in fact, she is the only one who cares the perspective from Vajra!!! Well, this is because 1)she is generally a very kind individual 2)her connection with Vajra forces her to find the truth

On the other hand, Alto and Sheryl, only care about themselves when they fight against Vajra. In a way, Alto and Sheryl treats the term "me" as MF, and "they" as Vajra..so they never think of coexistence, and coexistence is the theme in many macross series

And of course, you can't blame Alto and Sheryl, because they are only human being and they don't have the power that Ranka has..but in my opinion, Ranka is the one who starts to search coexistence between MF and Vajra...and Her immediate act to sing after getting rescued, hoping to stop the war between MF and Vajra in episode 25, is the very solid proof that she cares about others
Look, I think you just made most of my counterargument in the last part. Sheryl and Alto are only human ( well, Sheryl gets some powers in the end, yadda yadda, y'know what I mean. ). For them, the Vajra are a species of insects who are attacking Frontier without even a reason and only try to destroy humanity.

Ranka knows that there is something more to the Vajra since episode 14 ( and doesnt care to share that with anybody else... Ill better not follow that line of thought and will chalk it up to her disassociative amnesia ). Of course she will try to follow that up somehow, but the way she goes about it could have been much, much better. This is a wholly other can of worms over which weve gone extensively in the past, lets just let it rest, or we get three pages of arguments, like back then.

For Sheryl and Alto to not care about the Vajra, though, is the natural result how the Vajra presented themselves to them and everybody else ( sans Ranka ). They are characters in a show and dont know that one overachieving metaphor of Macross is tolerance between species.

That opens up another topic about how the Vajra were the OPFOR with the least personality in all Macross shows, but, again, weve gone over that topic already, too.

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Old 2009-07-21, 09:11   Link #1805
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Oh. Keine Schnapszahl mehr?
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Old 2009-07-21, 09:41   Link #1806
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Happy Birthday! Now I really owe you something as a birthday present
Bah, getting older sucks.

And thanks for the birthday wishes.
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Old 2009-07-21, 10:31   Link #1807
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Why live forever? Wish for a woman, or two or a harem! Gettig off topic now. :/
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Why live forever? Wish for a woman, or two or a harem! Gettig off topic now. :/
Cant I have all that together?

Thanks for the birthday wishes, Tak.
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Oh its your birthday? Happy birthday then Magnuskn
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Old 2009-07-21, 17:48   Link #1812
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Re: magnuskn

I've formulated a response, but I'm still debating whether or not to post it. I was thinking (hoping?) things had wound down last night, and I'm not sure if it's worth starting up again...

And yes, happy birthday.
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Old 2009-07-21, 17:54   Link #1813
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I've formulated a response, but I'm still debating whether or not to post it. I was thinking (hoping?) things had wound down last night, and I'm not sure if it's worth starting up again...

And yes, happy birthday.
Im up for a debate, if you want it. Its differing viewpoints, not the battle of Midway.

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Old 2009-07-29, 22:01   Link #1814
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I really liked Ranka in this series. Especially after watching it a second time. I hope they develop her character more in the second movie and maybe give her a better love interest than Alto.
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a better love interest than Alto.
I think he already exists, personally.

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Rather i have a feeling the 2nd Movie will develop the "loser" of the triangle, (if it is resolved) for a new interest for them.

I do like Ranka though, I just don't like her with Alto
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That depends on how much of his original biological makeup is left.

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That's funny because that thought did run through my head. Maybe in the re-telling they'll make him unrelated. And a little less like he has a stick up his butt. But I suppose having cybernetic parts will do that to your personality.
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It's generally used writing part. Having machine parts make you act more like a machine. Perhaps it's not neccessarilly true, but that's what commonly happens.
Anyways, the movie suggest few moments between Sheryl and Brea. Maybe it'll happen the other way?
I find it rather bland, because Sheryl doesn't really fit with him.
About the BreaX Ranka pairing. It could be possible because if we erease the siblings "tag" over them their moments could interpreted pretty much as a love development in some ways.(And with the "tag" on Brea is a rather siscon protective brother)
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It's generally used writing part. Having machine parts make you act more like a machine. Perhaps it's not neccessarilly true, but that's what commonly happens.
Anyways, the movie suggest few moments between Sheryl and Brea. Maybe it'll happen the other way?
I find it rather bland, because Sheryl doesn't really fit with him.
About the BreaX Ranka pairing. It could be possible because if we erease the siblings "tag" over them their moments could interpreted pretty much as a love development in some ways.(And with the "tag" on Brea is a rather siscon protective brother)
Please never ever make that happen Kawamori. I would Cry, and keep crying.
With the comment on Brera and Ranka's Relationship it could be done with Alto too, which would bring some more substance to their relationship.
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