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2009-05-26, 16:16 | Link #82 |
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I remember reading from the artbook that the design for Imperial Tanks are base more on Soviet design with the muti-turret tanks..
Edelweiss looks like German design..but have slop armor which most German tank doesn't have? Gallian Tanks are pathetic they are really only better than the Imperial tank that you get during Selvaria DLC....@_@ I think the final level of weapon development looks pretty damn cool...never mind that it might be too heavy it sure doesn't look plain at all. |
2009-06-09, 15:32 | Link #84 |
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Alright I not a tank expert but I watched a Tank evolution documenty once.
Just something I picked up. The armor on the Edelwis is slopped which is a later upgrade of the tanks armor. The slopped armor provides a stronger resistance to bounce off enemy shells or prevent the peicing of its armor. Guess its bit technical for me to explain atm. But tanks have always been a weaponary vs armor race. A new armor peicing weaponary is made, then its a stronger resistant armor produced to counter it. For me when I first seen the Edelwis, I knew it was an advanced armored tank because of its sloped armor which is used in present times even now. Yet the standard tank being used by Imperials/Gallian seem to be early ww2 modeled tanks. So I knew from that point the Edelwis would be a superior tank. Not only is it better armored design, in the anime it menoavered superior. I beleived it also fired on the move, which makes me beleive it possibly has the device that doesnt allow the gun to bounce around while going over ruff terrain. Some type of gun spring mechanism if I can recall. Like a shock absorber. But as its said in the anime, its a prototype, so its a rare tank which shows the path in future tank development (like after ww2). So its kinda cool Squad 7 has it Its obvious so far the Imperials dont understand its design and have been utterly confused how its kicking there a$$'s, not even the Gallian army is aware of its battle superiority (if they realized wouldn't they hastely put it into production ? ) anyway thats my 2 cents, dont have time to spell check so make do just wanted to add, so far in the anime the Edelwis has taken a hit, but the shell bounced off the side of its armor. It more like clipped the side. Bit of paint work damage keke ^_^
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2009-06-10, 03:03 | Link #85 | ||
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However if you rotate that same 60mm piece of steel to an angle of 45*, you've increased its thickness - I can't remember if it's almost double the thickness at that angle or not - and created a surface the round is more like to deflect off of. That said, you can use a thinner piece of angled steel to offer the same comparative thickness as the vertical slab thus saving materials. But you're correct, with every advancement in anti-tank technology, a new means must be made for the tank to defeat that advancement and the cycle continues. An example would be when shaped charges were deployed, armoured shrouds were added to to the exterior of vehicles for the rounds to detonate prematurely. Quote:
A shock absorber or "spring" would most likely be a recoil dampener.
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2009-07-19, 16:00 | Link #87 |
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Since it was discussed a little in episode 16, so the Ruhm (Selvaria's machine-gun) is none other than a MG-34 from what I've seen. It's unfortunate we won't probably see Selvaria with that in the series even if this would have really been bad ass.
Since we have references of WWII German/Russian weaponry, I guess the only thing missing would be the STG-44 (they had one in Jin-Roh). |
2009-07-21, 16:19 | Link #88 | |
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In the game if you follow the MAG-T upgrade, the first advancement really reminds me of a STG-44.
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2009-07-21, 21:16 | Link #89 | |
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2009-07-22, 04:51 | Link #90 | |
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In the game and manga Shocktroopers, both Gallian and Imperials, already wear heavy modular armour. Rosie in this image is wearing the standard Gallian shocktrooper armour (minus the helm which non of the named characters wear, but is standard for gallian soldiers) (note that Rosie doesn't wear standard uniform either, only the main female cast have mini skirts), as is Edy here. Not to mention Lancer armour as worn by Largo. Here's for Imperial soldiers (taken from the art book). In the anime all Gallian soldiers wear Scout gear which intentionally looks lighter. While those armour plates might give a somewhat futuristic feeling it's actually quite archaic as it's missing the soft armour made of layers of fabric to spread the impact. It looks like mostly steel plates which would have limited effectiveness against ballistic weapons. Not to mention how silly it is that the most important body parts, torso and abdomen, are not protected on Gallian issued gear (except those dubiously useful breast pads). |
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2009-07-30, 23:39 | Link #91 |
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I know these were not in the game either, but have they ever heard of bayonets for close range combat? We have seen Zaka in action with his knife and Imperial generals with their swords, but I don't recall any general-issued blade weaponry in VC while these were widely used in both WWI and WWII. It's sounds curious to me because I felt we lacked something realistic again, that's all.
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2009-07-31, 01:27 | Link #92 | |
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Either way, I'm not overly bothered by the lack of bayonets. |
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http://www.panzer-archiv.de/images/d...46/bild220.jpg Which can be compared with: http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/8...amilieats7.jpg Soviet tanks on the other hand, did not get scary until the T-34 rolled off the assembly in large numbers. Prior to that, German Panzers had a definite upper-hand against anything the Soviets fielded. Even so, German tanks, such as the Panther, Tiger and King Tigers all proved to be more than a match against the T-34s and later series. Though, the losses of Soviet armored vehicles in the Eastern Front was... quite appalling even after superior models were fielded. Quote:
But, don't forget, the Edelweiss was a prototype, just as the E-50 was a prototype. Both were meant to be revolutionary... and... both were just sitting in a garage at one point... Otherwise, the main Gallian tank is really a smaller version of the German workhorse, the Panzer IV with armored skirt. Which is interesting, as in VC2, the tank on the cover is none other than the Panzer III. - Tak
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Well, they were prototypes, and we all know that prototypes are usually very unsuited for the battlefield. On top of that, Gallia is a tiny country, so it shouldn't have any hopes of building something the Edelweiss in any sort of useful numbers.
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2009-07-31, 20:49 | Link #95 | |
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The E-50 in the analysis of professional tankers is still inferior in performance to a T-54 (weight, firepower, armor protection) as listed in the link I put up, and the IS-7 uses a modified naval gun as its main armament strong enough to punch holes in cruiser armor, so that overweight E-50 is nothing more than an obsolete paperweight before it would even be fielded. (And these American tanks are just as capable of one-shotting an E-50 at range too). |
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The comparison I was making was exclusively for interwar tanks. To pull the T-54 is like pulling the Leopard II alongside and say "here, shoot it out!~" But the situation here? Its like some German panzer crews saying "if we had just one battalion of Panthers and Tigers back in '40, we would have been able to go straight for Moscow!" So Sega did just that... it gave Gallia one of such tank... for defensive purposes And yes, if you played the game, the Empire essentially fielded even heavier and better tanks. Namely an IS-3 lookalike. - Tak (Oh, are the Spacebattle dudes over that Warhammer 40K vs. Star Trek thingie?)
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Likewise should have been true of Edelweiss - having a unique tank would also mean that it would have unique maintenance requirements. There wouldn't be any ready replacement parts for anything that breaks down. And so, it would end up being more as a burden in the long run than as an asset.
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While the T-54 rolled out its first prototype in Feb. of 1945, the T-54 remained just an untested combat vehicle as mass production did not start until 1946. Either way, while the T-54 had a fully functional prototype, it also never saw combat. Quote:
Although at the end, it would seem that the easiest way for Germans to have a chance was simply... to provide them with winter equipment. - Tak
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To expand on what 4Tran said, tanks such as the M4 Sherman, Pz IV or T-34 are better for offensive maneuver warfare because they have better mechanical reliability and simplicity of maintenance than behemoths like the Tiger (whose size and complexity made it harder to build, maintain and deploy), and are easier to build and keep supplied. This support aspect is also why most tanks today use diesels and torsion bar suspensions rather than turbines and hydropneumatic suspensions.
(As for the Spacebattlers, they're now more SW vs WH40K than any ST, unless its ST vs B5 ). |
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