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Joe4evr · 2009-07-29, 16:22

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Originally Posted by Heatth

But Negima! was bad.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. SHAFT's Negima!? was much better then Xebec's adaption and the OVA's they made (specifically the Ala Alba ones) were very faithful to the manga and I'm sure the upcoming ones will be too.

Heatth · 2009-07-29, 16:57

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Originally Posted by Joe4evr

I'm sorry, but I disagree. SHAFT's Negima!? was much better then Xebec's adaption and the OVA's they made (specifically the Ala Alba ones) were very faithful to the manga and I'm sure the upcoming ones will be too.

I was talking about the first one. Negima! anime. I didn't like Negima!?, but I can not really say it was bad. (i didn't see the OVAs either).

I might have missunderstood, but wasn't SHAFT who does the first anime?

***relentlessflame*** · 2009-07-29, 16:58

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Originally Posted by Heatth

I might have missunderstood, but wasn't SHAFT who does the first anime?

No, XEBEC did the first anime, SHAFT did the second one and the OVA series.

Anyway, as I said, about that Haruhi...

Kogetsu Shirogane · 2009-07-29, 17:45

I hear she desires to be in the company of extraordinary people, not knowing that three members of her group of friends, as well as Haruhi herself, are just that.

***relentlessflame*** · 2009-07-29, 23:07

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Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

I hear she desires to be in the company of extraordinary people, not knowing that three members of her group of friends, as well as Haruhi herself, are just that.

I also hear that, if you inform her of this fact, there's a distinct possibility that this could lead to The End Of The World As We Know It.

You know, as I think about that, it's a pretty convenient way to write a serialized story when you don't know how long it'll last. It's like a "kill switch" for the author -- no matter how long or short the story is, he can just activate the "Haruhi finds out" plot device as a way of ending the story. Conversely, it's also a way of prolonging the series indefinitely as much as he wants, as we see with the latest anime story arc. How many problems could be solved quickly and easily by certain people just telling certain other people everything they know about a certain situation? The fact that pretty much everyone knows more than they're telling means that, in any given story arc, someone simply has to reveal just enough information but no more in order to resolve the story. (And if the author plays things right, they can also reveal a little bit of extra information that isn't important now but will be referred to later on.) The secret to unraveling every mystery is simply knowing what questions to ask to what person, since one of them will definitely know. The situation goes on indefinitely because the troops are only there to observe (since they don't want to rock the cart), and Kyon just wants to live his life in peace.

So yeah, about that Haruhi...

Kogetsu Shirogane · 2009-07-29, 23:39

Well actually, I don't think telling Haruhi the truth would accomplish anything, even if you tell her that she's essentially a god. In fact, despite that one being probably the easiest of the four to prove(unless you happen to be one of the observers), it's also the hardest.

I mean, really. If I were to tell you right now that you could literally change the world on a whim, would you believe me?

Seeing as Haruhi's powers are seemingly blocked by her own skepticism(provided we take anything said by Koizumi seriously), the only way she'd be able to prove to herself that she has those extraordinary powers is if she truly believed she had them in the first place.

OkamiNoKaze · 2009-07-29, 23:49

I think the reveal would have to come from one of the other 3 anyway, as Yuki said Haruhi would never take Kyon seriously about that, and it was sort of proven in the manga.

cybermirage · 2009-07-30, 00:22

It was proven in the Novels as well.

Spoiler for Sighs Prologue:

Sute443 · 2009-07-30, 00:29

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Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

I hear she desires to be in the company of extraordinary people, not knowing that three members of her group of friends, as well as Haruhi herself, are just that.

I hear her justification for that is that normal people are boring. For a long time now I've wondered what would happen if someone pointed out to Haruhi that, by her logic, even if she found aliens, time travelers, espers, or sliders, they'd have no reason to want to hang out with her as she would be boring (since she doesn't know she isn't a normal person). Thoughts?

Ithekro · 2009-07-30, 00:50

It does give her ideas though...like a certain movie's character selection.

thirdlc · 2009-07-30, 01:43

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Originally Posted by Hypernova

Not really with modern CG, I'm sure we've all seen the gif where every gundam has the same movement.. It a matter of posing premade models and feed them through a cel-animation rendering software. Given that modern animation is all done through computers anyway.

You mean Gundam 00? (It can't be Igloo. right?) All the MS in it are all hand-drawn with no CGI support. If it's not obvious for you, you do frame-by-frame playback and look at perspective and deformation, and you will find out.

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If it was 'that' hard the guys at sunrise would be puking blood every week in their work stations.

They don't mind it because they like to animate mecha. Or they might not even find it hard. Sunrise brings together freelance animators who like mecha every time they produces mecha series while KyoAni does everything in-house.

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Originally Posted by relentlessflame

No, XEBEC did the first anime, SHAFT did the second one and the OVA series.

Anyway, as I said, about that Haruhi...

For the sake of Xebec, it's Xebec M2 that did Negima!, and Xebec helped M2 improve its quality in the second half.

Kogetsu Shirogane · 2009-07-30, 01:54

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Originally Posted by Sute443

I hear her justification for that is that normal people are boring. For a long time now I've wondered what would happen if someone pointed out to Haruhi that, by her logic, even if she found aliens, time travelers, espers, or sliders, they'd have no reason to want to hang out with her as she would be boring (since she doesn't know she isn't a normal person). Thoughts?

It'd have to be a pretty brave soul to point that out to her. I don't think even Kyon'd be that dumb.

quigonkenny · 2009-07-30, 02:00

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Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

Well actually, I don't think telling Haruhi the truth would accomplish anything, even if you tell her that she's essentially a god. In fact, despite that one being probably the easiest of the four to prove(unless you happen to be one of the observers), it's also the hardest.

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Originally Posted by OkamiNoKaze

I think the reveal would have to come from one of the other 3 anyway, as Yuki said Haruhi would never take Kyon seriously about that, and it was sort of proven in the manga.

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Originally Posted by cybermirage

It was proven in the Novels as well.

Spoiler for Sighs Prologue:

Come on people... You're disappointing me. Kyon most certainly can convince Haruhi of the weirdness of the world. He just has to start the reveal a certain way. Think about it. He has a four-word kinsoku jikou that would trump anything the other three could show Haruhi. And it's not even a spoiler for even those Haruhi noobs who are only up to speed on the anime.

Spoiler for although there is always one idiot who goes roaming around the general discussion thread without having actually seen what's being generally discussed...:

Kogetsu Shirogane · 2009-07-30, 02:04

Actually... yes it is, as the point where its significance is made apparent hasn't been aired yet.

Ithekro · 2009-07-30, 02:28

It is all a matter of when and where really. Had he tried later, when he had the required information, she might have bought it. But when he did tell her (we saw the start of it at the end of Melancholy 6), he didn't have that data yet. By the time he does have that data, he doesn't want to use it...well at least not unless he needs to.

Its unfortunate that he doesn't have all the pieces at the time of Endless Eight...that would have only lasted a hundred years or so before he off chance decided to use that information.

ac195 · 2009-07-30, 02:59

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Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Come on people... You're disappointing me. Kyon most certainly can convince Haruhi of the weirdness of the world. He just has to start the reveal a certain way. Think about it. He has a four-word kinsoku jikou that would trump anything the other three could show Haruhi. And it's not even a spoiler for even those Haruhi noobs who are only up to speed on the anime.

Spoiler for although there is always one idiot who goes roaming around the general discussion thread without having actually seen what's being generally discussed...:

He used it in the novels already... and still has it in his back pocket w/e he needs it.

cybermirage · 2009-07-30, 10:39

When in the novels did he actually use it?

If you mean used it as a threat then okay, yeah he has sort of used it.

If you mean to convince Haruhi, I don't think he has.

Sute443 · 2009-07-30, 11:03

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Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

It'd have to be a pretty brave soul to point that out to her. I don't think even Kyon'd be that dumb.

But imagine her reaction! Saying it to her may well leave someone satisfied for the rest of his or her life.

To those discussing the code: People, while the anime-only viewers know about the code already, they don't know how it can be used. We are straying dangerously close to outright spoiler territory here, and that isn't what this thread is for. We should probably move it to the Novel and Manga thread.

Solachinx · 2009-07-30, 11:23

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Originally Posted by cybermirage

When in the novels did he actually use it?

If you mean used it as a threat then okay, yeah he has sort of used it.

If you mean to convince Haruhi, I don't think he has.

Disappearence, Chapter 3 (I think). Kyon had Haruhi around his little finger.

Heminga13 · 2009-07-31, 18:37

KyoAni updated their website with the 17th episode, DVD 2 listing, and blog update.

http://www.kyotoanimation.co.jp/haruhi/

Of note, the blog update mentions a staff working drawing cats...hmm...

2009-07-29, 17:45	Link #764
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Kogetsu Shirogane Kneel Before Your King! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: My kingdom Age: 39	Well actually, I don't think telling Haruhi the truth would accomplish anything, even if you tell her that she's essentially a god. In fact, despite that one being probably the easiest of the four to prove(unless you happen to be one of the observers), it's also the hardest. I mean, really. If I were to tell you right now that you could literally change the world on a whim, would you believe me? Seeing as Haruhi's powers are seemingly blocked by her own skepticism(provided we take anything said by Koizumi seriously), the only way she'd be able to prove to herself that she has those extraordinary powers is if she truly believed she had them in the first place. __________________ WARNING: Kogetsu Shirogane cannot be held accountable for any actions taken by someone else. Potential side effects of communicating with this user include headaches, mild confusion, insanity, delirium, and jumping into fires. Do not expose this user to sunlight or water or feed this user after midnight. ... so you think you're a king now...

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cybermirage Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009	It was proven in the Novels as well. Spoiler for Sighs Prologue: Kyon flat out tells her who's who and she just dismisses it as 1) Kyon screwing with her and 2) impossible because it would be too easy. He then comments about how even though they showed him proof of their weirdness, he still didn't totally believe them, and that it was impossible for Haruhi to believe him without seeing anything

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Kogetsu Shirogane Kneel Before Your King! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: My kingdom Age: 39	Actually... yes it is, as the point where its significance is made apparent hasn't been aired yet. __________________ WARNING: Kogetsu Shirogane cannot be held accountable for any actions taken by someone else. Potential side effects of communicating with this user include headaches, mild confusion, insanity, delirium, and jumping into fires. Do not expose this user to sunlight or water or feed this user after midnight. ... so you think you're a king now...

2009-07-30, 02:28	Link #775
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	It is all a matter of when and where really. Had he tried later, when he had the required information, she might have bought it. But when he did tell her (we saw the start of it at the end of Melancholy 6), he didn't have that data yet. By the time he does have that data, he doesn't want to use it...well at least not unless he needs to. Its unfortunate that he doesn't have all the pieces at the time of Endless Eight...that would have only lasted a hundred years or so before he off chance decided to use that information. __________________

2009-07-30, 10:39	Link #777
cybermirage Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009	When in the novels did he actually use it? If you mean used it as a threat then okay, yeah he has sort of used it. If you mean to convince Haruhi, I don't think he has.

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Heminga13 Wannabe Sleuth Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 35	KyoAni updated their website with the 17th episode, DVD 2 listing, and blog update. http://www.kyotoanimation.co.jp/haruhi/ Of note, the blog update mentions a staff working drawing cats...hmm...