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View Poll Results: Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 7 Rating
Perfect 10 24 14.91%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 41 25.47%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 60 37.27%
7 out of 10 : Good 25 15.53%
6 out of 10 : Average 8 4.97%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 2 1.24%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 1 0.62%
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Old 2009-08-15, 06:35   Link #201
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Beatrice does not make a reliable appearance in Ep1 until the very end after Natsuhi is dead. Where the anime is now is the second arc so it's a whole different... game, as MetaBeatrice herself suggests.

First off, what we are sure off is that what she is doing looks like magic, but as the cliche goes not everything that glitters is gold. It may look like magic to the characters and from the viewer's POV, but looking like magic does not mean it IS magic. It could be magic, it could not be magic, and no one is sure which is which. Neither the anime-only viewers nor the VN players know what the answer to this is, and as Battler himself alludes to, the existence of magic as the reason behind the events of Rokkenjima is the central point of contention between him and Beatrice.

This may or may not be a sufficient explanation but I'm teetoing the line of spoilerisms here, so if you need a better one send me a PM.
I would prefer not to be spoiled. But how can we say the 2nd world does not have some sort of magic?

We can say Beatrice in Ep II-I is Kanon and Shannon's imagination friend, and the Beatrice who appeared in Ep II-II is an acquaintance who also is a performing magician that can switch the candy she have with Maria's crushed one.
But then there's no realistic answer for candy-golden butterfly as far as science go......

@MarthX: thank for the recommend *sigh...one more week for next ep....*
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Old 2009-08-15, 07:15   Link #202
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I would prefer not to be spoiled. But how can we say the 2nd world does not have some sort of magic?

We can say Beatrice in Ep II-I is Kanon and Shannon's imagination friend, and the Beatrice who appeared in Ep II-II is an acquaintance who also is a performing magician that can switch the candy she have with Maria's crushed one.
But then there's no realistic answer for candy-golden butterfly as far as science go......

@MarthX: thank for the recommend *sigh...one more week for next ep....*
Check your PM in a moment.
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Old 2009-08-15, 08:24   Link #203
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Your reactions are normal for this point in time.

You don't know what's going on, you're unsure how the series is still a mystery. It's a complete mindscrew. It's best not to ask any questions and enjoy the ride. Everything will make more sense as the series progresses.
i hope it will turn out as this

i even read the whole plot in wiki but still dont get it...
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Old 2009-08-15, 08:28   Link #204
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The question is, what is Battler searching for? The culprit from the incidents he was involved of course. Whatever Beatrice showed him right now does not explain what happened. It might give him some insights into other areas that he didn't have chance to witness (as he was playing card most of the first day), but by NO means it is what happened to him back in the first world.
Then I thought, Battler could not lose. All he needs to do is to grab the evidences from the several worlds to come up with a compelling case that human culprit is possible to win the game. No matter what Beatrice throws at him he can simply refute the events that happened simply because the involvements from a piece that wasn't in the original world. When an additional factor was put into the argument, the crime scene is no longer preserved.
Now the question remains being if magic IS possible IN THE ORIGINAL WORLD, to what extent can it influence the world and does it require a vector to do the deeds.

lol, I remember back when EP2 came out a year or two ago, people on a message board kept on bombarding with questions as why why R07 would kill off the mystery by having the witch appear on the island. It's just R07 trying to mess with our head, and making us soften our stand. (coming from a non-VN player)

Correct me if my attitude is wrong at this point of time.
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Old 2009-08-15, 08:29   Link #205
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Everything will make more sense as the series progresses.
As a VN player, I really doubt it
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Old 2009-08-15, 08:36   Link #206
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As a VN player, I really doubt it
Well Ep5 is out so things may change. Drastically. Or maybe even make the mindscrew worse. Whichever floats your boat.
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Old 2009-08-15, 08:59   Link #207
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And I just hope the spoiling will not be as severe. Will be a couple of days left before the general message board is off-limit
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Old 2009-08-15, 09:58   Link #208
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As a VN player, I really doubt it
agreed, the real mindfuck has yet to come. Right now you have plenty of possibilities to explain who committed the murders and how. As long as you can imagine a human way for such crimes to happen you can still see how Battler can "win" this game. The fact that magic exists in some dimension or place on earth doesn't really matter for the purpose of this game.

But here comes the problem, how is Beatrice going to thoroughly debunk any of Battler's theories to explain how things happened without the help of magic? The epic battle of twisted logic is beginning, kihihihihi!
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Old 2009-08-15, 10:13   Link #209
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But we're getting too far ahead of ourselves. The mindfucks of this arc haven't even happened yet to the visitors of this Rokkenjima island kihihihihihihihi!
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Old 2009-08-15, 10:20   Link #210
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Is anyone dissatisfied with the BGMs? I believe the "Answer" was played during this episode, or was it episode 6? But it never had the same impact it generated in the VN. Same with the other BGMs... they either need to just use the originals from the game or turn the damn volume up a bit, the BGMs are way to quiet to give a proper atmosphere to the anime.
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Old 2009-08-15, 10:54   Link #211
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Obviously they won't have the same impact in the anime as they did in the sound novel, that's a given.
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Old 2009-08-15, 12:10   Link #212
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Quite liked the episode, though it was nothing special. Poor Maria, Rosa's such a nice mother. Liked Beatrice a lot, as usual. 7/10
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Old 2009-08-15, 12:39   Link #213
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Obviously they won't have the same impact in the anime as they did in the sound novel, that's a given.
It's because in the anime it actually has to be background music. In the sound novel, it was normal music. Very loud and powerful.
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Old 2009-08-15, 13:41   Link #214
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Why don't the voices have the same impact in the novel as they do in the anime ?
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Old 2009-08-15, 13:51   Link #215
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Because the music is too loud. You can't hear them.
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Old 2009-08-15, 17:31   Link #216
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Why don't the voices have the same impact in the novel as they do in the anime ?
From the clips I've seen on YouTube, I get the impression the sound-novels mostly don't have voice-acting.
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Old 2009-08-15, 17:32   Link #217
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That was the joke Arbane_the_Terrible, that was the joke ^^;;
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Old 2009-08-15, 18:39   Link #218
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Beato's laugh pierces through the music, though
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Old 2009-08-15, 21:04   Link #219
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That was the joke Arbane_the_Terrible, that was the joke ^^;;
I keep saying HTML needs a <SARCASM> tag, but does the W3C listen to me? Noooo....
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Old 2009-08-16, 19:02   Link #220
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I didn't like the way gg translated 'nee-san' as 'Shannon', would've preferred them to just leave it untranslated... Geez...
Just wondering -- does everyone get several 'LOL WEEABOO' neg-reps if they mention something they don't like about a sub?
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