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View Poll Results: Valkyria Chronicles - Episode 20 Rating
Perfect 10 17 29.82%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 15 26.32%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 9 15.79%
7 out of 10 : Good 6 10.53%
6 out of 10 : Average 4 7.02%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 1.75%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 2 3.51%
1 out of 10 : Painful 3 5.26%
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Old 2009-08-18, 20:40   Link #201
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Faldio's actions were realistic and completely logical imo (to a real person anyways).
Oh, sure, we can excuse this script's presentation for reasons of insanity. As long as the script does not make connections to some bullshit logic of oh, I shot her from behind point-blank so she can wake in the next episode where Faldio is to exercise a long-winded reason for pulling the trigger.

And he can take a calculated shot in the game because the platoon that got wiped out wasn't his.

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Old 2009-08-18, 20:40   Link #202
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I applaud the director's way of approaching the series quite differently than it was handled in the game, and this was no exception. Faldio was already shell-shocked from the loss of his comrades (killed by a Valkyria no less). Calculated or not, I would think that shooting Alicia out of desperation because of a shell-shock trauma would be more realistic than let's say, "I shoot someone because I know that certain person can be raised from the dead through Valkyrian powers!"

Faldio's actions were realistic and completely logical imo (to a real person anyways).
So if your father dies you kill your mother from pain? Very realistic, very.
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Old 2009-08-18, 20:59   Link #203
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Does they want to troll the fans of the game?
Yes, oh yes. Make no mistake about it.

To further illustrate, see Shiroth's comment below.

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You know, it's quite funny how they shown the sniper scene last episode, Faldio with a sniper rifle on the way back from the battlefield in this episode, and then he just shot her with a pistol.
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Old 2009-08-18, 21:01   Link #204
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Yes, oh yes. Make no mistake about it.
Next thing we know, Selvaria and Welkin will fall in love and marry.

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Old 2009-08-18, 21:04   Link #205
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Would that be so bad? Poor Selvaria, all alone on that beach... *snif*
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Old 2009-08-18, 21:05   Link #206
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Would that be so bad? Poor Selvaria, all alone on that beach... *snif*
Well, Max is clearly asexual, like Lulu, and their predecessor, Reinhard.

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At least Welkin wouldn't have the balls to screw with her, like Max does...
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Old 2009-08-18, 21:13   Link #208
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My bad. I meant "doesn't" - haha. I was in a bit of a rush, my bad. lol.
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It's not so much "raised from the dead" as it is simply recovering from a mortal wound.
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Old 2009-08-18, 21:53   Link #210
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Well more cameo and subsequently lots more death. I am on the side it better having them show up and then die. then not showing up at all. still want to see jane.

from my point of view you could have construed the shooting as a symptom of post traumatic stress disorder. with the idea that he was lashing against the Valkyrie people that kill his squad.

but that would be too much for this anime to make it work.

I kinda think they are really rushing the scenes. so you don't get the desired effect peoples motivations and character depth. the pacing of the anime is really weird starting off very slow in the early episodes now it is rush between one scene to the next.
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Old 2009-08-18, 22:03   Link #211
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from my point of view you could have construed the shooting as a symptom of post traumatic stress disorder. with the idea that he was lashing against the Valkyrie people that kill his squad.

but that would be too much for this anime to make it work.
Hopefully, that's how the anime will treat this matter. Even if one can say Faldio is able to piece together some conclusion in his head (as inadequate this idea seems to be), the fact of the matter is, with a face and a reaction such as that, Faldio simply breaks down... terribly. After all, the primary catalyst of this event is his squad getting wiped out. It's the only way I can see this ever making sense from a dramatic perspective.

This is such a far cry from how it's presented in the game, especially when you consider the role he plays in the end. In the anime, Faldio simply becomes a traumatized, tragic man. (Then again, maybe the anime is planning a different angle for his role in the end this time?)

. . . .

But don't worry, folks! Everything will be normal again next episode!
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Old 2009-08-18, 22:09   Link #212
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I kinda think they are really rushing the scenes.
And they did not have to commit that mistake! Over the course of this production, I felt there were numerous occasions where the script devoted absolutely unnecessary time on the development of side plots and alteration of characters when we could have been given focus and battle scenes.

Not surprisingly, from this point on, everything will feel rushed because of the lack of focus that had preceded!

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And they did not have to commit that mistake! Over the course of this production, I felt there were numerous occasions where the script devoted absolutely unnecessary time on the development of side plots and alteration of characters we could have been given focus and battle scenes.

Not surprisingly, from this point on, everything will feel rushed because of the lack of focus that had preceded!

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Agreed. Their focus was in the wrong places, and the scenes they added just distracted unnecessarily from the core part of the story.

Teh fail train is failing.
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So if your father dies you kill your mother from pain? Very realistic, very.
What if the dad was killed by aliens and he figured out his mom was an alien too?
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What if the dad was killed by aliens and he figured out his mom was an alien too?
So she is responsible for what others have done? If this is how his thinking is, his death should be even more painful than that of his squad.
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So she is responsible for what others have done? If this is how his thinking is, his death should be even more painful than that of his squad.
You're not a real person Justin, you won't get it. Only real people will get that when some alien kills your friends or comrades, you need to take out all other aliens regardless if they are friend or foe as long as they are aliens.
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dont you think it was needless to kill off ramal too? he had a chance to shine after isara's death...
I have been killing myself off to make this point clear since Sunday. After Isara died, I really expected Ramal to ask a transfer into Squad 7 as a tank driver while Zaka would get his Shamrock, making the squad more efficient and more dangerous with a 2-tank unit.

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To be honest at that point, I felt Ramal was in good position to take over both roles more or less as neither of the 2 guys had much character development except that we knew both were fond of Isara. So this would have been a great possibility, but Michiko Yokote completely screwed it and the last link with a possible rendition of Isara's dream is now gone. Really, I am not optimistic about how the final scene will be made because it wouldn't have the huge amount of symbolism it had in the game nor have that feeling of greatness anyway.

Should the wiping-out of Squad 1 was done to push Faldio in his plans, I would not have had any objection. But NEVER at the expense of a key component which made the game great storywise.
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Old 2009-08-18, 23:13   Link #218
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You're not a real person Justin, you won't get it. Only real people will get that when some alien kills your friends or comrades, you need to take out all other aliens regardless if they are friend or foe as long as they are aliens.
I am going to change my name to Maximilian Jenius, and I will marry a woman named Milia Fallyna Jenius just so I can experiment this.

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So if your father dies you kill your mother from pain? Very realistic, very.
This reminds me of the scene from 00 where Neil tries to kill Setsuna because he finds out that Setsuna was a terrorist. If Setsuna was a person who worked with your parent's killer, Neil's first thoughts would be "what the hell's this guy doing on our team?". I'm sure Faldio probably felt that way about Alicia when he found out that that Alicia's a valkyria.

and don't say that Faldio didn't find out that Alicia's a valkyria, because Faldio obviously did.

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I have been killing myself off to make this point clear since Sunday. After Isara died, I really expected Ramal to ask a transfer into Squad 7 as a tank driver while Zaka would get his Shamrock, making the squad more efficient and more dangerous with a 2-tank unit.
I always thought that Ramal would be more a support pilot for the Edelweiss, kinda like how Saji was the co-pilot of 00 Raiser. The director killing off Ramal didn't really sit right with me
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I always thought that Ramal would be more a support pilot for the Edelweiss, kinda like how Saji was the co-pilot of 00 Raiser. The director killing off Ramal didn't really sit right with me
You're right on the money: this is not right. In fact, it never was.

Too bad Michiko Yokote failed miserably this time after having a good record of scriptwriting prior to this.
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