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Old 2009-08-22, 08:22   Link #21
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I am a NEET (or even a shut-in) and have no social network at all besides my family which consists of really few members.
Your a neet? ouch I'm a hikikomori I bail on conversation some times but I want to change..

Edit: Oops sorry I was off topic there huh? my bad
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Old 2009-08-22, 08:25   Link #22
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Would you like an advice for treating that illness? That type of behavior is already proven to be very unhealthy---physically, mentally and emotionally. I recommend seeking help.
I don't see it as an illness .

Thanks for recommending something.
But i won't take that offer.


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How can you be a hikikomori if you are still a college student?
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Old 2009-08-22, 08:37   Link #23
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Maybe I didn't really explain myself correctly, sorry. Don't you think it is natural for a human to try interact with another human? Would you find it more natural for a human to interact with a tree? Humans will naturally congregate together. Like I said, there are things one person cannot do without the help of another. Additionally, there are things one person can do that the other can't. To be completely self-sufficient is virtually impossible. This is what has given birth to societies. People grouped together to form villages and eventually cities. For this reason people socilize. Humans need each other by the end of the day.
I don't know if you can really count congregation for the purpose of survival as "socializing" though. I mean, I'm perfectly capable of getting together with a few other people and working toward a singular goal without being the slightest bit social. Depending on how good the direction of the activity is, I might not have to say two words the entire time. Just because humans require other humans to accomplish certain goals does not inherently mean that they are being social.

As far as the topic of reproduction goes, I have never felt any desire or need to reproduce or to engage in any activity that may result in reproduction. That doesn't mean that what I have never considered is not handled instinctively by another individual.

I would say that in general, it would have to be instinctual, because if you look at it logically, there are millions of people who should not be reproducing (people with high risk of genetic deformation, etc) and yet they still do. I would say that it has to be handled by a very powerful instinctive drive, because otherwise the people in question would realize the potential damage their reproduction could cause to the gene pool.

It is not an inherently social activity, though.

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Old 2009-08-22, 08:57   Link #24
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Maybe I didn't really explain myself correctly, sorry. Don't you think it is natural for a human to try interact with another human? Would you find it more natural for a human to interact with a tree? Humans will naturally congregate together. Like I said, there are things one person cannot do without the help of another. Additionally, there are things one person can do that the other can't. To be completely self-sufficient is virtually impossible. This is what has given birth to societies. People grouped together to form villages and eventually cities. For this reason people socilize. Humans need each other by the end of the day.
I understand its importance in coordination with survivability but is there anything else beyond that?(possibly related to the human emotion perhaps?)

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I don't know if you can really count congregation for the purpose of survival as "socializing" though. I mean, I'm perfectly capable of getting together with a few other people and working toward a singular goal without being the slightest bit social. Depending on how good the direction of the activity is, I might not have to say two words the entire time. Just because humans require other humans to accomplish certain goals does not inherently mean that they are being social.
I see what you mean, but if communication=socializing as you have implicated, humans tend to walk the easier path without a second thought:that path being communication leads to more effective work translation. On end, to work together means (generally) to communicate.

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As far as the topic of reproduction goes, I have never felt any desire or need to reproduce or to engage in any activity that may result in reproduction. That doesn't mean that what I have never considered is not handled instinctively by another individual.
I feel the same experience of not desiring or instinctively wanting to reproduce. How many people actually do?? The only real common instinct is during sexual intercouse wherein emotions overrides logical thinking.

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I would say that in general, it would have to be instinctual, because if you look at it logically, there are millions of people who should not be reproducing (people with high risk of genetic deformation, etc) and yet they still do. I would say that it has to be handled by a very powerful instinctive drive, because otherwise the people in question would release the potential damage their reproduction could cause to the gene pool.
Or just possibly simply a sexual drive(which is usually being the case)
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It is not an inherently social activity, though.
But is usually is. But why is it usually is?
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Old 2009-08-22, 09:23   Link #25
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I see what you mean, but if communication=socializing as you have implicated, humans tend to walk the easier path without a second thought:that path being communication leads to more effective work translation. On end, to work together means (generally) to communicate.
I don't think communication necessarily equals socializing, though. You wouldn't call typing "/ipconfig" in the command prompt to be socializing. It's possible to give and take orders without actually being social about it, or so it seems to me. If you're only regarding the other person as a machine, I don't think that's really socializing.

It has always seemed like true "socializing" requires some sort of emotional tie-in, one which, for me, seems to be broken in some way or another. Without it, interaction with other people becomes a matter of when it is necessary, or when you're bored and it's readily convenient to converse with the person next to you so you don't fall asleep, not something that you just seek out because you want to.

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But is usually is. But why is it usually is?
Well, that I wouldn't know. Stuff like that is very confusing for me, and other people usually don't know how to explain it because they've never had to think about it.
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Old 2009-08-22, 09:37   Link #26
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I don't think communication necessarily equals socializing, though. You wouldn't call typing "/ipconfig" in the command prompt to be socializing. It's possible to give and take orders without actually being social about it, or so it seems to me. If you're only regarding the other person as a machine, I don't think that's really socializing.
But communication between humans is accustomedly followed by social interaction
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It has always seemed like true "socializing" requires some sort of emotional tie-in, one which, for me, seems to be broken in some way or another. Without it, interaction with other people becomes a matter of when it is necessary, or when you're bored and it's readily convenient to converse with the person next to you so you don't fall asleep, not something that you just seek out because you want to..
An emotional tie-in? Care to elaborate on that? Humans are all connected emotionally? how delightful...

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Well, that I wouldn't know. Stuff like that is very confusing for me, and other people usually don't know how to explain it because they've never had to think about it.
Most people would probably comment words such as "That's just the way it is" or "it's natural" but its definitely not that simple. Conclusively(with the exception of survivability or amusement), humans socialize because of the tendency brought by society and history---which originally originates from survivability and amusement. In other words, I have no idea.
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Old 2009-08-22, 12:53   Link #27
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I am a NEET (or even a shut-in) and have no social network at all besides my family which consists of really few members.
By being here at all, the internet is fulfilling part of your social needs. You're talking with other sentient beings (who just happen to be human). It's fulfilling a need for communication and knowledge of the presence of others. Don't confuse possible social anxieties with this - disliking face-to-face contact, or dealing with people directly, technically makes you "anti-social" but it does not make you free from the desire/need to interact with others on some level.

As to the main question, humans have largely evolved as sophisticated herd animals. There are animals that only encounter or seek out other members of their species rarely (such as animals that mate at one time point per year), but humans are not like that. It isn't something that can fully be attributed to genetics, but the overall chemistry of our body likely does contribute.

People in isolation (true isolation - completely cut off from contact with others in all possible ways) tend to become suicidal and develop symptoms of mental illness, if I remember correctly. Something interesting to consider.
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Old 2009-08-22, 17:31   Link #28
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I've only skim read so I'm not sure if its been pointed out already but from a purely self centred perspective having a strong social network will help you find employment.

Most jobs arent advertised at all, so the only way you'll hear about them is through connections and those connections (assuming you've got a good reputation) will recomend you for jobs.

Having contacts is a hell of alot easier than trying to impress people with your resume, covering letter and depending on your career portfolio.
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Old 2009-08-23, 05:49   Link #29
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I don't see it as an illness .

Thanks for recommending something.
But i won't take that offer.


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How can you be a hikikomori if you are still a college student?
I thought being a hikikomori, you have to have low social life? or m I just shy
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Old 2009-08-23, 10:07   Link #30
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I socialise because I can!

If i dont talk to anyone it bugs me. Although like a lot of people I enjoy my own company.

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I thought being a hikikomori, you have to have low social life?
I didn't think Hikikomori's had a social life...
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Old 2009-08-24, 07:11   Link #31
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I socialise because I can!

If i dont talk to anyone it bugs me. Although like a lot of people I enjoy my own company.


I didn't think Hikikomori's had a social life...
So what do you call people who don't talk much but wants to?
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Old 2009-08-24, 07:16   Link #32
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Hm... Well socialized, i think, but waht's the use?
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Old 2009-08-24, 07:57   Link #33
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I don't think there are other reasons beyond survival, entertainment, and communication, since pretty much everything can be boiled down to these three. Some people have the basic need to talk, but that's survival. To reach your goals, you have to communicate. And most of the stuff here is for entertainment

Not everyone have the need, though.
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Old 2009-08-24, 08:22   Link #34
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As to the main question, humans have largely evolved as sophisticated herd animals. There are animals that only encounter or seek out other members of their species rarely (such as animals that mate at one time point per year), but humans are not like that. It isn't something that can fully be attributed to genetics, but the overall chemistry of our body likely does contribute.
The chemistry of our body? You mean biological needs? Well the brain DOES need to knowingly express emotions to another in order to release stress cells.

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People in isolation (true isolation - completely cut off from contact with others in all possible ways) tend to become suicidal and develop symptoms of mental illness, if I remember correctly. Something interesting to consider.
A sort of brain starvation, wouldn't you agree?
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I don't think there are other reasons beyond survival, entertainment, and communication, since pretty much everything can be boiled down to these three. Some people have the basic need to talk, but that's survival. To reach your goals, you have to communicate. And most of the stuff here is for entertainment

Not everyone have the need, though.
So you believe that some humans are able islands?
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Old 2009-08-24, 10:24   Link #35
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I thought being a hikikomori, you have to have low social life? or m I just shy
A hikikomori is a person who don't leave his/her home for more than six months, not including going to a store, but they do that at night. If they socialize on the net or with family or with friends, they're still a hikikomori.

If you're not socializing but you do leave your home occasionally, you're not a hikikomori, you're asocial. What is actually a psychologically normal behavior for a specific personality type. 45% of the population is part of that personality type, yet it's still considered to be strange. Weird people.
Of course asocial people socialize, too. Just rarely or on the net.
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Old 2009-08-25, 01:31   Link #36
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Humans socialize because we are made in the image of God.
We are bound to live the life of inter-relationships and that is what we seek for, even unconsciously. It's human nature. Human beings can only find the fulfillment here in Earth through relationships, especially loving ones -> hetero-sexual relationships.
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Old 2009-08-25, 01:43   Link #37
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Humans socialize because we are made in the image of God.
We are bound to live the life of inter-relationships and that is what we seek for, even unconsciously. It's human nature. Human beings can only find the fulfillment here in Earth through relationships, especially loving ones -> hetero-sexual relationships.
So who does God socialize with?
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Old 2009-08-25, 02:54   Link #38
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Humans socialize because we are made in the image of God.
We are bound to live the life of inter-relationships and that is what we seek for, even unconsciously. It's human nature. Human beings can only find the fulfillment here in Earth through relationships, especially loving ones -> hetero-sexual relationships.
I'm sorry but that first line is a non sequitur: how does one imply the other?

"It's human nature" is also useless as an explanation. "Why is the sky blue?" "Because that is the way it is supposed to be." -- is evasive.

And at the end you imply that only heterosexual relationships can be loving ones. Sorry but there is no basis at all for that assertion (not even religious, no scripture says that).

Take a few moments and read the two pages before your post - some of the posts might provide some insight. Socializing has specific measurable health and mental benefits.
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Old 2009-08-25, 03:30   Link #39
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I'm sorry but that first line is a non sequitur: how does one imply the other?

"It's human nature" is also useless as an explanation. "Why is the sky blue?" "Because that is the way it is supposed to be." -- is evasive.

And at the end you imply that only heterosexual relationships can be loving ones. Sorry but there is no basis at all for that assertion (not even religious, no scripture says that).

Take a few moments and read the two pages before your post - some of the posts might provide some insight. Socializing has specific measurable health and mental benefits.
He's statements are obviously something not to be taken at fact and logic. It's all based on illogical beliefs---in other words, just ignore it.
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Old 2009-08-25, 06:43   Link #40
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So who does God socialize with?
He has tea with Cthulhu and Yog-Sothoth on every Tuesday night at six.
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