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View Poll Results: Valkyria Chronicles - Episode 21 Rating
Perfect 10 12 22.64%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 7 13.21%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 13 24.53%
7 out of 10 : Good 10 18.87%
6 out of 10 : Average 4 7.55%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 1.89%
4 out of 10 : Poor 1 1.89%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 3 5.66%
1 out of 10 : Painful 2 3.77%
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Old 2009-08-23, 06:14   Link #61
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Except that the way the game was presented, a lot of the story was skipped over, and an even larger portion was simply talking heads. Having those scenes properly animated and extended would have been a wonderful addition. Instead they removed the vast majority and filled it with vapid mutterings.

You can't say "Oh, they couldn't animate it." because they could have. The game was pretty much a budget anime with game mechanics mixed in. They chose not to do it properly, and chose to do away with most of the script except for the landmarks, the character designs, and the main plot points.
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Old 2009-08-23, 06:22   Link #62
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You uh, really have to be careful for what you wish for...

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Uhm. Alicia = a pair of bread. Selvaria = a pair of loaf ob bread. I would say, NO!
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Old 2009-08-23, 06:46   Link #63
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Except that the way the game was presented, a lot of the story was skipped over, and an even larger portion was simply talking heads. Having those scenes properly animated and extended would have been a wonderful addition. Instead they removed the vast majority and filled it with vapid mutterings.

You can't say "Oh, they couldn't animate it." because they could have. The game was pretty much a budget anime with game mechanics mixed in. They chose not to do it properly, and chose to do away with most of the script except for the landmarks, the character designs, and the main plot points.
With limited airing time you can't expect ALL elements from the game can be animated. I didn't play the game so I can't tell what parts are missing but, from Niconico Douga I saw a player posted 50 pieces of the game progress (and that only) which all exceed 15 minutes, some can reach 24. That's all about at least 35 episodes worth of a proper anime......

And yes, there're something that an anime can't animate.
In any case I guess you didn't play SRWOG or watch the anime. OG1 alone has 42 episodes in the game, it's just 25 in the anime------the main plot started from episode 30 in the game but it's 21 from the anime. And I can assure you that there're even more talking heads in the games (which didn't even have VO most of the part).
In the game there're numerous bosses with bunch of HP (no, you can't take advantage of exhaust points or headshots, etc and each attack must be dealt on the bosses directly) that it's common for defeating them after 10+ round of individual/coordinated attacks, sometimes it can be multiplied by 2 or even more. In the anime version of it, we can only see key bosses pop up, doing some random attacks and being raped by your side in a few minutes. It sucks, but I can't blame them------time in a game aren't necessarily syncrorizing that of an anime. I can't speack for VC but at least I can tell there're some cases like that.

Yeah, we can blame the scriptwriter for the poor story development------that's what we did at Fukuda back in the days of Seed Destiny. For VC however, without too much (but not zero) knowledge about the game itself, I'm still enjoying the show as it's not too unexplained (and after watching some famous titles like The Big-O, ES, Aquarion and Gundam 00, I used to think more about the plot), still decently done and, like any other LAM and anime adaptations, I think it's serving its purpose of introducing non-players into the game.
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Old 2009-08-23, 06:50   Link #64
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With limited airing time you can't expect ALL elements from the game can be animated. I didn't play the game so I can't tell what parts are missing but, from Niconico Douga I saw a player posted 50 pieces of the game progress (and that only) which all exceed 15 minutes, some can reach 24. That's all about at least 35 episodes worth of a proper anime......
The fact is you have stated that you haven't played the game, only watched videos so you can't say for 100% sure that they can't fit in all of the game's material into the anime. The answer is, they don't need to add everything from the game, just add more then what they have done, meaning they wouldn't have to include all the crap that they have.

Also, all those videos you mentioned, i hope you know some missions can take upto 20 minutes to complete, even more. & it's not like they're going to animating every single part of those battles.

What's missing are the battles, not the content within them.
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Old 2009-08-23, 06:57   Link #65
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Comparing Game adaption VC is at least somewhere back in the stories in comparison to game adaptions like Ragnarok Online which was more than worse. Someone knows if Xenosaga anime is also in line the game? At least it isn't worser.

So at this point, calm down now...
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Old 2009-08-23, 07:03   Link #66
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Aside from game spoiling as it was mentioned in previous episodes the ruling caste of Gallia were descended from Valkryias themselves.

Did anyone also notice,

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I wonder if that's going to important later on.

As for Faldio, I guess they wanted to make the situation look really grim and desperate but it didn't had the same epic feeling as the game had.
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Old 2009-08-23, 08:28   Link #67
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Does Selvaria have more substance/personality in the video game? She seems kind of dull in the anime.

1) Everything Selvaria does is for Lelouch sama.
2) Destroys everything instantly.

Besides looking pretty hawt, she's pretty bland.
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Old 2009-08-23, 08:30   Link #68
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Comparing Game adaption VC is at least somewhere back in the stories in comparison to game adaptions like Ragnarok Online which was more than worse. Someone knows if Xenosaga anime is also in line the game? At least it isn't worser.

So at this point, calm down now...
If you mean "Calm down, don't be angry." sure. I stopped being angry around about episode 4.

If, on the other hand, you mean "Calm down and stop laughing hysterically at the poorly made anime." then I'm afraid I can't help you. I'm having too much fun pissing myself laughing at this red-headed stepchild of the VC game.
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Old 2009-08-23, 09:26   Link #69
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Does Selvaria have more substance/personality in the video game? She seems kind of dull in the anime.

1) Everything Selvaria does is for Lelouch sama.
2) Destroys everything instantly.

Besides looking pretty hawt, she's pretty bland.
I am not going to lie. I found her to be too stubborn much to my own frustration, and her actions in the final parts of the game really got me pissed.

I kept on thinking: If she ever wanted to kill the entire Imperial household... it'd be pretty friggin' easy. On the other hand, there is no such thing as a timer for turning into a Valkyrie in the game.

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Xenosaga anime is also in line the game? At least it isn't worser.
While the anime version was a terrible production, at least it did not alienate itself as the story closely resembles its game counterpart.

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Old 2009-08-23, 11:49   Link #70
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the fact that they don't have enough budget to animate more battle scenes is ridiculous. I mean they planned to animated a game, and it's main factor is a war theme, and we've only seen about 30% of it in this adaptation. Talk about not coming prepared.

30%? You are being too generous....

lnstead of making faldio the center of attention for the female audience...like they wanted....they should had focused more on squad 7.....not kill Vyse. Animate Vyse in battle in his total awesomeness along with Jane... and there you have it...female audience happy. Tell me with a straight face,,, whose knees wouldn't get weak... just watching Jane in action...
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Old 2009-08-23, 11:54   Link #71
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30%? You are being too generous....
I like to be generous from time to time.

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Tell me with a straight face,,, whose knees wouldn't get weak... just watching Jane in action...
Yeah it would be hot as hell. The game just doesn't do that image justice enough.
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Old 2009-08-23, 12:08   Link #72
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Animate Vyse in battle in his total awesomeness along with Jane... and there you have it...female audience happy. Tell me with a straight face,,, whose knees wouldn't get weak... just watching Jane in action...
You, mister, are making sense!
He he... in-character Vyse and Jane being featured would have made the anime a hundred times better even with the lame script changes.
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Old 2009-08-23, 12:38   Link #73
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There is very little that is decent for this story. Just look at the main character situation and you'll see what I mean. Are Welkin and Alicia the main characters? Or is Fabio and Alicia the main characters?

In the game, it was extremely obvious that Fabio was nothing more than a side character with a very important moment in the story. We saw things essentially through Welkin. Now we're seeing things through Fabio's eyes, and he gets all of the important parts in the story. Why even bother having Welkin in the OP as much as he is when the focus is no longer on him?

This show is absolutely horrible. It's so horrible, it's a joy to see how much worse they can screw things up. I hope this anime bombs. And I hope the script writer is shunned from anime forever after this abomination.
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Are Welkin and Alicia the main characters? Or is Fabio and Alicia the main characters?
Are you mad? It's just Faldio.
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I don't care anymore as long as Alicia and Welkin end up together, though I wouldn't be surprised if they make Faldio be her first to take her......first kiss?
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I was trying to give Alicia the benefit of the doubt.
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One thing has got me hoping. That now that the Batomys is destroyed...will the Marmota make an appearance?
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Old 2009-08-23, 20:20   Link #78
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Fabio is just single handily ruining this series. The Shin Asuka of Valkyria Chronicles. Just not a likeable character getting too big of a role. Usually I feel bad for good characters that get rejected that bad but I was ROTFLMAO when it happened to Fabio.

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Old 2009-08-23, 20:34   Link #79
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Simply put: it's just sad that a bunch of talking heads and some cut scenes are better in conveying a story better than an entire piece of animation worth 26 episodes, 30 minutes each. The story isn't even the most imaginative and complicated thing ever, and somehow the anime manages to make the experience even worse.

There. All the criticism summarized in a couple of sentences. Faldio-related criticism will require a few more.

If this is going to be considered as some sort of 'original game purist' elitism on our part, whining and ranting with the tips of our noses pointing upwards, then so be it. At this point, I practically feel privileged that I'm able to adore the original story as it is.
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There is very little that is decent for this story. Just look at the main character situation and you'll see what I mean. Are Welkin and Alicia the main characters? Or is Fabio and Alicia the main characters?

In the game, it was extremely obvious that Fabio was nothing more than a side character with a very important moment in the story. We saw things essentially through Welkin. Now we're seeing things through Fabio's eyes, and he gets all of the important parts in the story. Why even bother having Welkin in the OP as much as he is when the focus is no longer on him?

This show is absolutely horrible. It's so horrible, it's a joy to see how much worse they can screw things up. I hope this anime bombs. And I hope the script writer is shunned from anime forever after this abomination.
IF you totally dislike it, you could stop watching the series.

Faldio has in VC game and VC anime series the same tragic role. He not only lost his unit, he also lost his friends and he also lost the war against welkin for alicia.

In this series his actions to kidnap Kordelia to gain the lance and shield brandmarked him as a traitor.

In the tent he lost the the triangle match against Welkin. He could not awake Alicia but Alicia reacted on Welkins voice. The face expressions tells me somehow that at this point he finally realizes, that Alicia has decided.

Anyhow. Did someone see the mistake when Faldio was trying to feel the pulse?
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