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View Poll Results: Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 9 Rating
Perfect 10 21 16.54%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 48 37.80%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 37 29.13%
7 out of 10 : Good 13 10.24%
6 out of 10 : Average 5 3.94%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 2 1.57%
4 out of 10 : Poor 1 0.79%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2009-08-27, 22:43   Link #101
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But if Battler wins, everybody comes back to life from what I understand. They're going to ger murdered over and over again until someone wins. If that message in the bottle and that other comment in one of the episodes were correct, this goes on for at least 9-10 years IIRC. (It was the comment about finding bits and pieces of the bodies when the search party went to the island. Can't remember where it was at though.)
Isn't it rather ridiclous to think that if Battler proves it wasn't magic everyone is revived? I mean how does it happen.. magic doesn't exist.. and if magic didn't kill them.. than they were killed by human means. Such a hollow victory it would be... I think a lot of game players still don't get this... if he wins he loses since he's dead.. this situation reminds me of what happens in VN 4 too someone...
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Old 2009-08-27, 23:29   Link #102
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I think whether Battler wins or loses doesn't matter, there's no way for the dead to come back alive. But at least he can find the true culprit.
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Old 2009-08-27, 23:49   Link #103
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Isn't the whole a "knife in the back" murder typically used in a "the butler did it" parody?

While his reality is one where everyone dies, the only thing he can do is create a world where the family doesn't die. Somehow.

Yeah, good luck with that without some form of magic to help you Battler.
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Old 2009-08-28, 00:25   Link #104
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Every time the grotesque scene is censored with pixel boxes, I laughed. Granted, it's not like I want to see what is actually there, but those pixels are really mood killers. Not to mention those beam katars.


PS: Jesus Battler, stop using the chessboard analogy.
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Old 2009-08-28, 01:00   Link #105
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Well, so far Battler only has the chessboard and Devil's Proof to use...
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Old 2009-08-28, 01:34   Link #106
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Old 2009-08-28, 02:02   Link #107
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Finished watching the raw. Except for the annoying censorship, I found this ep pretty interesting . I'll wait for the sub.

Spoiler for ep 9:
Spoiler for Speculation regarding Dark!Kanon:
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Old 2009-08-28, 02:09   Link #108
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Two important questions it seems like nobody's asking:

Where's Piece-Beatrice?
Where's Kinzo?

(Admittedly, all the characters have a lot on their minds, but it seems like those are both important things to know.)
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Old 2009-08-28, 02:10   Link #109
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The fact that "his" body evaporated would seem to work against that theory.

Which then raises the question, who killed Nanjo and Kumasawa in "reality"?

EDIT: Also, Evil!Kanon just threw off the Epitaph--the next two deaths should have been "Gouge the head and kill" and "Gouge the chest and kill". Instead, they both died of cuts to the neck. I wonder if they'll count, and that will be important?

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Old 2009-08-28, 02:35   Link #110
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Two important questions it seems like nobody's asking:

Where's Piece-Beatrice?
Where's Kinzo?

(Admittedly, all the characters have a lot on their minds, but it seems like those are both important things to know.)
It was stated at the end of the previous episode that Kinzo is in his study and refuses to leave. Shannon and Genji are both seen meeting with him as well and Rosa claims she did so too.
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Old 2009-08-28, 02:57   Link #111
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Isn't it rather ridiclous to think that if Battler proves it wasn't magic everyone is revived? I mean how does it happen.. magic doesn't exist.. and if magic didn't kill them.. than they were killed by human means. Such a hollow victory it would be... I think a lot of game players still don't get this... if he wins he loses since he's dead.. this situation reminds me of what happens in VN 4 too someone...
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Say Battler proves magic didn't kill his family. That doesn't mean that magic doesn't exist. How else are you supposed to explain the Meta-World?

No, I don't think it will end like that. That'd be a slap in the face for the fans, to start with.
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Old 2009-08-28, 03:00   Link #112
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Well, Battler doesn't need to prove that magic itself exists. While he doesn't believe in it, it's clearly in front of him. What he just needs to prove is that the murders on October 4-5 are all done by human tricks.
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Old 2009-08-28, 03:41   Link #113
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.... That sounded so wrong.
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Old 2009-08-28, 04:48   Link #114
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Which then raises the question, who killed Nanjo and Kumasawa in "reality"?
go for the usual "the butler did it" theory, since Genji had been seen grabbing a knife in the kitchen.
(damnit genji, killing your opponent is not a nice way to revenge for a loss in chess)
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Old 2009-08-28, 09:49   Link #115
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Well, Battler doesn't need to prove that magic itself exists. While he doesn't believe in it, it's clearly in front of him. What he just needs to prove is that the murders on October 4-5 are all done by human tricks.
Or another way to say it, he has to try and show that magic doesn't have to exist on the game board. The Meta World is clearly another story, and Battler hasn't claimed that magic doesn't exist in the Meta World.
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Old 2009-08-28, 10:48   Link #116
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I record what i think are MUST SEE scenes fromt the last 2 episodes but in the sound novel, if anyone who is only watching the anime wants to see them you will notice how epic those scenes were in the sound and also you will heard dread of the grave


Umineko Episode II-III Red Truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esr4XSCeZOc


Umineko Episode II-IV Second Twilight - Part One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp913K-Axeg


Umineko Episode II-IV Second Twilight - Part Two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqUH5PNjctM
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Old 2009-08-28, 11:13   Link #117
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I think some people are spoon feeding the anime watchers a little too much...
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Old 2009-08-28, 11:23   Link #118
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i agree... I don't think people watching the anime should look at things from the VN before the end of the serie because it could be like Maria's description of the circle: It was no explained a the same time than in the VN, but was explained in the end...
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Old 2009-08-28, 11:51   Link #119
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i already see those videos and he only capture three scenes when battler is discussing with Beatrice, all scenes that already happened in the anime, an amazing job i really like them thanks bigemperor the sound novel seems to be amazing but i don't have time to play it so i will just continue to see the anime, but if you upload any other video i will see it, is very nice to see some highlights parts from the sound =)
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Old 2009-08-28, 11:51   Link #120
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The fact that "his" body evaporated would seem to work against that theory.

Which then raises the question, who killed Nanjo and Kumasawa in "reality"?

EDIT: Also, Evil!Kanon just threw off the Epitaph--the next two deaths should have been "Gouge the head and kill" and "Gouge the chest and kill". Instead, they both died of cuts to the neck. I wonder if they'll count, and that will be important?
He did indeed!
But remember Beato is the Endless Witch,So she could always bring them back to life and do it properly if you're leaning towards the "Magic" side.
I can't think of an anti-magic argument for it because I <3 Witches.

SHORT REVIEW:
I found the pacing kind of poor in this episode actually,as well as some of the animation just terrible (When Rosa is talking to the children after the Servants have left look at George's face,and at one point during the meta-world Beato's face looks all askew!)

When DARK!Kannon falls on the kitchen floor I felt that even thought the hole was in his chest, that the puddle of blood was so unnessesary and large. Also, wouldn't human blood from a hole in that area squirt like a geyser and not just..pour out like that?
Lame Censorship remains lame, but I felt that the Epic Throat slit by DARK!Kannon made up for that tenfold.
Over all I give it a 7,because they kept most of the important things in tact.
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