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Old 2009-09-02, 22:58   Link #201
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German declaration of war came first, on 11 Dec. That was what made Roosevelt's job easy.
"On the morning of December 11 the Government of Germany, pursuing its course of world conquest, declared war against the United States."

Well, we're trying to determine why the Fed didn't have a research programme. Makes me wish that VC was done Total War style. We already have a micro view of the war. Why not a macro?
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Old 2009-09-02, 23:03   Link #202
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Germany declaration of war came first, on 11 Dec.
"On the morning of December 11 the Government of Germany, pursuing its course of world conquest, declared war against the United States."
America declared war against Japan on the 8th, and by extension, Germany as well.

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Old 2009-09-02, 23:06   Link #203
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This is where we disagree. The declaration on the 8th was only against Japan. Germany was not spelt out in the declaration. That came on the 11th. I read FDR's declaration during history class (and just now). FDR made it plainly clear that this declaration was against Japan, and did not include her Axis allies. In diplomatic circles, it's considered essential to have in black and white just exactly who you are fighting against. Japan's attacks without a formal declaration of war was already frowned upon.

It would be like declaring war on the major players within the Federation, rather than the whole Federation. You still have some leeway in getting the smaller nations on your side.
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Old 2009-09-02, 23:13   Link #204
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This is where we disagree. The declaration on the 8th was only against Japan. Germany was not spelt out in the declaration. That came on the 11th.
Oh come on, with all the facts before you plainly laying out FDR's grand strategy (including the infamous Rainbow Plan, detailing just that), do you honestly think, that even if Germany did not declare war on the US, the US would just let them slide? Never mind that the UK was already at war against Germany, and the US joined the Allies, not as a standalone faction like the Soviets.

And if you read FDR's speech immediately after the declaration of war against Japan, its more than obvious to anyone in the world at the time that the US was not planning to be a neutral observer of the European affairs.

The declaration of war on the 11th was nothing more than a formal redundancy.

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Old 2009-09-02, 23:22   Link #205
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Without the German declaration, Roosevelt has to sell the war, to the population and Congress. That is the point. I never doubted that he had the "Europe first" strategy since the beginning. What matters is that Congress, and the American people, go along with it. Don't forget: he may be Commander-in-Chief, but the Senate has every possibility of not going along with attacking Germany without a German declaration of war. Granted, the delay may not be long, but still, there could be delays. Declarations of war are never taken lightly, more so in the US during 1941. Remember: even with German declaration, one member of Congress voted against a war with Germany.

Good thing we don't have democracies in VC. Otherwise, the politics would bore half the people to death.
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Old 2009-09-03, 06:47   Link #206
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As fascinating as this discussion is, it's at best tangentally related to VC as a whole and rather irrelevant in this thread. Take it to PM, please.
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Old 2009-09-03, 07:20   Link #207
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As fascinating as this discussion is, it's at best tangentally related to VC as a whole and rather irrelevant in this thread. Take it to PM, please.
Relax. It ended long ago. The forums here were abit quiet earlier on.
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Old 2009-09-04, 03:39   Link #208
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Welkin and Alicia confirmed to be returning along with Edy from this week's blog update.

But it unknown whether they will be playable units.
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Old 2009-09-04, 03:42   Link #209
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Good news, especially Edy. Hope they're not playable units, just characters you meet in the storyline, though i wouldn't be that bothered if they're both.

Also that is quite possibly the best blog ever.
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Old 2009-09-04, 15:23   Link #210
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Good news, especially Edy. Hope they're not playable units, just characters you meet in the storyline, though i wouldn't be that bothered if they're both.

Also that is quite possibly the best blog ever.
I am really not sure if thats actually a good thing, especially with Alicia returning.

I mean, should we give her lance and shield again?

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Old 2009-09-04, 16:06   Link #211
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I am really not sure if thats actually a good thing, especially with Alicia returning.

I mean, should we give her lance and shield again?

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Don't know, but it could get interesting because... never you should make a mother get mad 'cause all hell can break loose.
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Old 2009-09-04, 19:49   Link #212
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I wonder what the interaction between Alicia and that new Valkyria would be like, since the new girl has a passing resemblance to Selvaria.
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Old 2009-09-04, 19:52   Link #213
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I wonder what the interaction between Alicia and that new Valkyria would be like, since the new girl has a passing resemblance to Selvaria.
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Old 2009-09-04, 20:59   Link #214
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Don't fall in love with some douche bag....like she did....and your life will be 100 times better.
For our fellow readers, I guess you talk about the man who wanted to be an emperor.

About Edy, I hope she would be playable and my feeling would be she might take over Rosie's role into a squad since the story is now years later. It would be a treat to see what she and Homer have become now physically (for their personalities, I don't expect much of a change ).
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Old 2009-09-05, 03:29   Link #215
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About Edy, I hope she would be playable and my feeling would be she might take over Rosie's role into a squad since the story is now years later. It would be a treat to see what she and Homer have become now physically (for their personalities, I don't expect much of a change ).
This is what i'm hoping, of course. If she's in Rosie's place, then her ego will be so much fun to watch.

& as long as she's still acting all tsundere around Homer, then i'll be happy.
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Old 2009-09-05, 16:31   Link #216
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Why would anyone want Rosie replaced by anyone?
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Old 2009-09-05, 16:33   Link #217
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Why would anyone want Rosie replaced by anyone?
Because Edy is better~

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Old 2009-09-05, 17:21   Link #218
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Looks like this is a mere front for celestial being, whats next? Mamoru Miyano voicing the big bad?
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Because Edy is better~

Very no, actually.
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Old 2009-09-05, 22:55   Link #220
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Very no, actually.
You never know. Edy might have changed a bit two years down the track.

At last report, Edy was trying to become a real actress at the end of VC. She might be a reverse Audie Murphy in VC2 LOL
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