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Old 2009-09-06, 00:02   Link #1221
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Question: I've read that Kyon is actually the real God, not Haruhi, and that he only gave those powers to Haruhi. How true is this?
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Old 2009-09-06, 00:14   Link #1222
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Question: I've read that Kyon is actually the real God, not Haruhi, and that he only gave those powers to Haruhi. How true is this?
Fan speculation. No confirmation or any real evidence.
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Old 2009-09-06, 04:31   Link #1223
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Question: I've read that Kyon is actually the real God, not Haruhi, and that he only gave those powers to Haruhi. How true is this?
I liked the theory at one point, but I now personally doubt it. Sighs is actually the main reason I do. Can't see Kyon subconsciously wishing to get killed by a Mikuru Beam. Also, I'd find it rather coincidental for him to subconsciously wish into existence just the sort of out-of-season flowers that Haruhi was hoping for in Sighs... with out Haruhi making that flower preference explicitly known beforehand.
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Old 2009-09-06, 10:33   Link #1224
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I liked the theory at one point, but I now personally doubt it. Sighs is actually the main reason I do. Can't see Kyon subconsciously wishing to get killed by a Mikuru Beam. Also, I'd find it rather coincidental for him to subconsciously wish into existence just the sort of out-of-season flowers that Haruhi was hoping for in Sighs... with out Haruhi making that flower preference explicitly known beforehand.
Well, he wasn't killed... Also, many defenders of that theory say Kyon is the origina god. Now is Haruhi, but only after Kyon giving his powers to her.

(I don't believe it, btw)
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Old 2009-09-07, 00:14   Link #1225
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I liked the theory at one point, but I now personally doubt it. Sighs is actually the main reason I do. Can't see Kyon subconsciously wishing to get killed by a Mikuru Beam. Also, I'd find it rather coincidental for him to subconsciously wish into existence just the sort of out-of-season flowers that Haruhi was hoping for in Sighs... with out Haruhi making that flower preference explicitly known beforehand.
Lol, of course no one wants to kill anyone in Haruhi, ne? But Haruhi was the one to wish for those and not Kyon, but since Haruhi had the power to do that NOW...

Bah, what am I talking about. I only read that in some site. And from what I've read there are many evidences of that theory but no real confirmation yet from the novels.

Speaking of the novels, how many of the books are translated to English?
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Old 2009-09-07, 00:15   Link #1226
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Speaking of the novels, how many of the books are translated to English?
Officially, just Melancholy. Sigh comes out Oct. 1, though.
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Old 2009-09-07, 03:45   Link #1227
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Can someone name the biggest fourth wall breaking incidents in the anime?
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Old 2009-09-07, 05:06   Link #1228
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The most straight forward example i can think of is during one of the Melancholy episodes where Kyon remarks something alone the lines of: "If anyone out there can hear me and is able to stomach being surrounded by a bunch of freaks and weirdos. Lets switch places please"

Not sure if these may be fourth wall breaking incidents but I'll list them anyway just in case:

Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, involved going back to the all important "3 years ago" which is not only an important plot point in the series but also when this whole Haruhi craze began as well. Coincidentally it also took 3 years for Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody to come out, the same time it took for Kyon and Mikuru to get back to the present.

Endless Eight, repeated itself eight times in a row for eight weeks, eight episodes straight.

The Sighs of Suzumiya Haruhi involved them making a movie, and the five episode that make up this arc is structured as so. The episodes begin and end abruptly as if it were one movie divided into 5 parts (much like how movies use to be split onto two VCD's in the past before DVD's).

The official Haruhi website also likes to muck around now and then to match any current Haruhi related events. (too many to examples to name all, but one would be when Mystérique Sign aired and the official website was altered to matched that of the corrupted version in the episode.)
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Old 2009-09-07, 07:40   Link #1229
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Cool, thanks for the insight. ^^

Another question I have is why Haruhi isn't in the slightest aware of her powers. Like, she wishes for something to happen, and it happens. She must at the very least be thinking that her desires have come true too many times for it to be coincidence. Is she really that dumb? x)
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Old 2009-09-07, 08:02   Link #1230
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Either she has more common sense than is healthy or she's fully aware of the situation and is feigning ignorance.
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... well at least it's consistent...
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Old 2009-09-07, 17:48   Link #1231
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There are also some looks Kyon gives in Sigh I that suggest he's looking at the audiance.
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Not sure if these may be fourth wall breaking incidents but I'll list them anyway just in case:

Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, involved going back to the all important "3 years ago" which is not only an important plot point in the series but also when this whole Haruhi craze began as well. Coincidentally it also took 3 years for Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody to come out, the same time it took for Kyon and Mikuru to get back to the present.

Endless Eight, repeated itself eight times in a row for eight weeks, eight episodes straight.

The Sighs of Suzumiya Haruhi involved them making a movie, and the five episode that make up this arc is structured as so. The episodes begin and end abruptly as if it were one movie divided into 5 parts (much like how movies use to be split onto two VCD's in the past before DVD's).

The official Haruhi website also likes to muck around now and then to match any current Haruhi related events. (too many to examples to name all, but one would be when Mystérique Sign aired and the official website was altered to matched that of the corrupted version in the episode.)
I think that's more symbolism than 4th Wall Breaking.

Would K4 be a good nickname for Kyon?
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Yeah, 4th wall breaking is more stuff that happens in the actual episodes/story/etc., isn't it? Like a character directly speaking to the audience or something.
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Yeah, 4th wall breaking is more stuff that happens in the actual episodes/story/etc., isn't it? Like a character directly speaking to the audience or something.
Yeah. I beleive there is no 4th wall break in Haruhi. The anime/novel is pretty 'realist', so it is as they are actually in another world, not in a TV screen or in pages of a book.
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Old 2009-09-08, 16:39   Link #1235
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Well, Kyon's narration sometimes eludes to an audience but I guess you could argue that he's just talking to himself and pretending someone is listening.
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I do it a lot when thinking to myself. The point is the are not awere they are characters in a show or someting similar to it.
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I do it a lot when thinking to myself. The point is the are not awere they are characters in a show or someting similar to it.
Yeah, I can agree with that. Now to wonder why Kyon likes to talk to himself so much...or who he's narrating the story to. That's probably a discussion for a different thread.
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So, is K4 a good nickname?
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Don'r think so. 'K' is read as 'kay' right? So, while the 4 can be the 'yon' of 'Kyon', the 'K' can't be the 'K', uless it was said as a 'ki'.

Also, K4(kayyon) remember be K-ON(kay-on).

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Assuming you readi is in the same way U1 is read as Yuuichi.
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Don'r think so. 'K' is read as 'kay' right? So, while the 4 can be the 'yon' of 'Kyon', the 'K' can't be the 'K', uless it was said as a 'ki'.

Also, K4(kayyon) remember be K-ON(kay-on).

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Assuming you readi is in the same way U1 is read as Yuuichi.
Ok, trying to find a simple 2 character nickname like K1 or U1 as a type of shorthand when typing; thanks.
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