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View Poll Results: Bakemonogatari - Episode 09 Rating
Perfect 10 45 36.89%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 37 30.33%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 28 22.95%
7 out of 10 : Good 7 5.74%
6 out of 10 : Average 4 3.28%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.82%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2009-09-07, 04:36   Link #121
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Kanbaru also seems like she really is attracted in some way to Araragi.
I wouldn't say so, i mean she was acting this playful in last weeks episode, and that was shown as just toying around.
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Old 2009-09-07, 05:46   Link #122
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Just when I thought the basic premise of the show would get trite and repetitive this episode convinced me that they used the simplistic formula in order to prove that they can produce something amazing despite of it.
On the other hand, despite very much enjoying the episode in general, I did get a bit of a 'christ not this again' feeling upon hearing Nadeko go 'save me, oniichan'.


I finally caught up with this series. As I'd known from the very first episode, my confidence that this would be incredible storytelling was fully warranted.

At the time one of my posts got modded out of the (now 'General') Bakemonogatari thread, I was trashing on the Senjougahara idolization. Unfortunately, just after watching what I felt was a very strong episode that was perfectly entertaining despite her absence, I came here to see people still complaining that the show isn't all about her. Christ.

On the other hand, this episode has helped me realize that what this idolization, and correspondingly my irritation, is all about, has much more to do with Senjougahara's relationship with Koyomi than Senjougahara herself. Thus ironically, despite the Senjougahara idolatry being the fan expression I least sympathize with, it's actually Araragi-kun within the show I'm most disgusted with (disgusted is too strong a word; I'm very warm on Bakemonogatari in general).

It's not that Senjougahara is too good for him--to the contrary, despite her 2D wetdream looks, marks, athletic ability (yeah, stationary wielding counts as that too), she is an emotionally stunted girl, and probably only worth the time of somebody desperate. My issue is, rather, despite Koyomi's supposed 'kindness' or altruism being the foundation, the fact that this story is about a precisely desperate relationship anyway. It's just kinda ugly to watch: all that threatening, ridiculous teasing, and bullshit violence--and for what? Only 'cause Senjougahara wants to make sure Araragi stays with her, and Araragi wants to get laid.

I kinda get the feeling that all those Senjougahara fans loved that scene in episode 6 where Senjougahara stood above Koyomi's face in a skirt, but to me that was just fucking ridiculous. Who would get turned on by that? How in that kind of situation, with that kind of attitude? But this is the sort of thing Senjougahara offers--this, and 'what are you planning to do about your future', and I just can't believe so many people idolize her for it.

Overall, then, these are my (major, minor, whatever) issues with the series:

- Araragi is a desperate perv. I don't mind the perv part (in fact I can quite sympathize) but the desperate part quite bothers me;
- Senjougahara wants that desperation, and conciously demeans herself to take advantage of it, out of insecurity;
- Ooshino is a ridiculous self-satisfied bastard (you wanna see someone where personality covers actual substance, here ya go); and,
- you've even got people asking Araragi for help now, like he's some desperately average main character in a story who often lets his 'altruism' get the better of him and goes around 'saving' people from various oddities--and everybody knows it.

I am greatly enjoying the perverse and psychological tone aside from this though. And of course the humour is very solid: I was quite glad to see both Hachikuji and now Sanbaru being interesting characters who could buoy up the show with fresh dialogue even outside their arcs.
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Old 2009-09-07, 06:51   Link #123
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^ Participate in 'shipping wars much?

It's one thing to dislike a character, and quite another to word that dislike in a manner that's almost bound to attract counter-venom.
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Old 2009-09-07, 07:40   Link #124
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I wouldn't say so, i mean she was acting this playful in last weeks episode, and that was shown as just toying around.
I agree with you there. Her heart still belongs to Hitagi.
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Old 2009-09-07, 07:54   Link #125
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- you've even got people asking Araragi for help now, like he's some desperately average main character in a story who often lets his 'altruism' get the better of him and goes around 'saving' people from various oddities--and everybody knows it.
If those people weren't his childhood friends then I might agree with this point.
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Old 2009-09-07, 07:59   Link #126
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Overall, I enjoyed the episode. However, I did facepalm at Naeko's loli stripping fanservice. I did however lol at the gaijin4koma meme straight after.

Suruga was pretty good in this episode. Particularily when she went "hunting" for araragi's porn mags.
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Old 2009-09-07, 12:06   Link #127
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OMG, I'm gonna get my flame retardant clothes from the closet cause the temperature is gonna rise in this thread.

btw let's just say that I can understand that view of the characters in Bakemonogatari but can't say I agree with your conclusion. Yes, Senjoguhara has issues, "Arararagi" has issues... heck, I haven't seen anyone in this anime who doesn't have issues and that's what makes Bakemonogatari so good.

Heck, I like Senjoguhara has a character because of her straightforwardness and her pervertedness... She is a very typical perv male in a female body and because of that and the "status" that comes with being female we get something new and fresh in the form of her actions...
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Old 2009-09-07, 13:19   Link #128
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Heck, I like Senjoguhara has a character because of her straightforwardness and her pervertedness... She is a very typical perv male in a female body and because of that and the "status" that comes with being female we get something new and fresh in the form of her actions...
I hope you meant Kanbaru
Pervy Senjogahara...
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Old 2009-09-07, 13:20   Link #129
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I hope you meant Kanbaru
Pervy Senjogahara...
You mean you haven't noticed the Pervyness of Senjoguhara yet? "Dai-service"? :P

I think I wasn't really clear with what I was trying to convey. Kanbaru is a perv, no doubt about it. She also acts like a guy or more precisely like a lesbian girl in a guys imagination. Senjoguhara acts like a girl, a very different thing.
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Old 2009-09-07, 14:07   Link #130
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I hope you meant Kanbaru
Pervy Senjogahara...
Who do you think is the reason for Kanbaru'pervy?

And I see that among ep 2, ep 5, Senjougahara's not your normal average high school gal ...

I mean, she defines herself as "Tsundere" anyway...
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Old 2009-09-07, 14:29   Link #131
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i love kabaru's response.

Araraki: "Either sit right there or jump out the window make your choice"

Kanbaru: "Most girls would jump out the window rather than do that.
I however can do it easily and casually"

XD
I'm dying to know, but I know that it probably will never be revealed what it is..
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Old 2009-09-07, 16:53   Link #132
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At the beginning of the episode Araragi said that if he had noticed her running down the stairs than maybe this wouldn't have happened.

However it seems like this girl has had this problem for more than one day. If anything she seems to have had it for quite some time so what would Araragi noticing one day earlier have prevented?
Yeah, I found that comment really odd. Hopefully it's explained at one point what he meant.
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Old 2009-09-07, 17:46   Link #133
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Yeah, I found that comment really odd. Hopefully it's explained at one point what he meant.
I remember correctly that Araragi said the thingy about remembering Nadeko has nothing to do with her oddity...

IMO, that thing he mentioned will be sth extra after the incident, well... Nadeko's fan-service that lead to Senjougahara's seed mode, maybe...
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Old 2009-09-08, 08:25   Link #134
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Bakemonogatari has really unexpected scenes involving skin.Unexpected for me only I think.
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Old 2009-09-08, 12:16   Link #135
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This was a good episode. The IGN parody was awesome. Kanbaru also seems like she really is attracted in some way to Araragi.

Kanbaru makes a good side kick, but I think Hachikuji is funnier to be around. We havn't seen her for so many episodes I am going into Hachikuji withdraw. Oh and a little Senjogahara withdraw too.
Hmmmm, Kanbaru still holds a flame for Hitagi... and there may be some implication she's not firmly decided on her sexual identity which increases the texture of her relationship with Araragi.

But I think the bigger emotion is just that Araragi is the first guy she's really just felt comfortable around with no baggage or expectations. An actual friend now.

And yeah, I'm missing Hachikuji as well .... she had some wonderfully skewering observations as "conscience sprite".
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Old 2009-09-08, 18:40   Link #136
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So when is the next episode coming out? How many days does it take for the subs to come out?
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So when is the next episode coming out? How many days does it take for the subs to come out?
I think it airs on fridays and subs come out the next day or so.
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Old 2009-09-08, 19:52   Link #138
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Anyways too bad Senjougahara wasn't physically present, but it's not like she was absent in spirit. I was impressed that Araragi is going to make an effort to get to the same University as Senjougahara. Looks like the talk from before did make him start thinking about the future. Whether he'll be able to pull it off will be something else. Wouldn't mind seeing Senjougahara's reaction when she finds out about that. I'd agree with Kanbaru about the birthday party and rather just wanting to spend time alone with Araragi.

Curious about what is going on with Nadeko. It of course has nothing to do with the end of the episode...Really. Will be nice when we get some more information and can figure out this oddity. I have to say that Araragi does seem to bring Oshino quite a bit of business. Every now and then he comes across another oddity to be dealt with.

I have to say one of the best parts was the porno book hunt . Kanbaru having that kind of information is definitely a dangerous thing. It does make you wonder.
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Old 2009-09-08, 20:06   Link #139
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Epic episode, the best part was the search for porno. XD
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Kanbaru has awesome lines of her own! I really like the comedy duo
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Old 2009-09-08, 20:37   Link #140
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Hmmmm, Kanbaru still holds a flame for Hitagi... and there may be some implication she's not firmly decided on her sexual identity which increases the texture of her relationship with Araragi.
I'm fairly certain Kanbaru is a lesbian... with a few specific exceptions. It's actually quite common both for homosexuals and heterosexuals.

In short, she's "hetero for Koyomi"

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But I think the bigger emotion is just that Araragi is the first guy she's really just felt comfortable around with no baggage or expectations. An actual friend now.
They really do come off as budies really, they even share tastes in women.

By the way, is it just me or are the girls who get lovey dovey with Araragi tend to get suspiciously sick after Koyomi spotting Naeko?

I wouldn't be surprised if Naeko was sacrificing snakes for something more sinister than a cure for her skin problem...
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