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2009-09-16, 18:27   Link #2081
Jan-Poo

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: forever lost inside a logic error
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 Originally Posted by Ssol When they were solving the epitaph they figured out that instead of literally "killing" the sacrifices chosen by the key it meant to eliminate certain characters.
Lol i was talking about the red truths not the epitaph, that's a completely different matter

@Dlanor

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 2009-09-16, 19:08 Link #2082 Dlanor .A. Nox The Death!     Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Purgatorio damn it...there goes my theory eh heh well I guess I'll put this epitaph to rest for another time. __________________
 2009-09-16, 19:32 Link #2083 Jan-Poo 別にいいけど     Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error Why not? your hunches are correct imho, the problem is you still need to solve the riddle regardless of that °° __________________
 2009-09-16, 20:49 Link #2084 luckyssol Senior Member   Join Date: Jul 2009 Spoiler for Epitaph theory:
 2009-09-16, 21:05 Link #2085 Jan-Poo 別にいいけど     Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error Spoiler for episode5: __________________
2009-09-16, 22:01   Link #2086
luckyssol
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Join Date: Jul 2009
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 Originally Posted by Jan-Poo Spoiler for episode5:
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Anyway, besides the true intention behind the epitaph what comments do you have regarding the method I thought of for solving it?

2009-09-16, 22:28   Link #2087
Jan-Poo

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: forever lost inside a logic error
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 Anyway, besides the true intention behind the epitaph what comments do you have regarding the method I thought of for solving it?
The idea that maybe the 6 sacrificies aren't letters to be eliminated isn't bad. I've thought something different though. I have imagined that that "raise" meant you need to move the selected letters to an upper row where the solution of the riddle will form. However the hints in ep5 makes me think that this isn't the right path.

As for the rest I've never been a fan of the "name" theory nor a fan of the "kanji" theory. There's been a lot of theories that revolve around the people names, but I always thought this isn't the right path. More than saying that both ep3 and ep5 never mention this as a possible solution and that Maria wasn't even supposed to be named Maria I don't know what kind of other argument I should bring up for this. Of course your idea that the way Eva and Rosa used to solve the riddle is the wrong one, and there is another one to solve it opens up a whole different dimension, but I already said why I think this is unlikely

In conclusion even if this second method exists, I'd rather use my brain to try and solve the riddle in the way that I'm sure exists, rather than in a way whose existence isn't even certain. Which doesn't mean you aren't entitled to speculate on that, it's just that I personally won't.
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2009-09-16, 22:51   Link #2088
luckyssol
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 2009-09-16, 22:58 Link #2089 Kamar Author Wannabe     Join Date: Aug 2009 Spoiler for Ep5:
 2009-09-16, 22:59 Link #2090 Jan-Poo 別にいいけど     Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error Spoiler for episode5: __________________
 2009-09-17, 05:23 Link #2091 Leinne Who... am I?   Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Zaragoza, Spain Age: 24 Has anyone thought that the treasures that are dispalyed are really to put the pieces again where they were before. I mean, the resurrection of all dead can mean retrieving all the lost characters andthe resurrection of lost love is the complete opposite to the 2nd, tear apart those who are close, then it menas make them one again. Just a thought, I have theries for murders, but for the epitaph it's another thing. Still, I noticed that all nights (twilights) with the excepstion of the second are six syllables in Japanese. Fasuto naito, zarudo naito... Still just random thoughts
 2009-09-17, 07:05 Link #2092 Jan-Poo 別にいいけど     Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error I dunno about that last bit as you can see here The katakana transliteration is actually more like this: FAASUTO SEKANDO SAADO FOOSU FIFUSU SHIKUSUSU SEVUNSU EITUSU NAINSU TENSU __________________
 2009-09-17, 19:16 Link #2093 Qilin Romanticist     Join Date: Aug 2009 Age: 25 Something really bothers me about Virgilia. In EP3, she is shown to be an ally of Battler with an air of benevolence. By the end of EP3 until all throughout EP4, she turns out to be a villain, a very obvious villain (though mostly played for laughs in EP4). My question: Given her 180 degree turn in character, is the profile of her listed in the TIPS even accurate? She "devoted her life to the smiles and happiness of many people". I don't see how her villainous portrayal fits with such a description... Even if she changed somehow during her last thousand years, I just can't imagine how someone as benevolent as her could transform into someone as cruel as Beatrice.
 2009-09-17, 19:36 Link #2094 Jan-Poo 別にいいけど     Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error Are you sure she's cruel? Virgilia is simply on Beatrice's side. Although she doesn't really like the methods her disciple uses, she understands what she's trying to do, and she helps her at the best of her possibilities. And being on Beatrice's side, doesn't necessarily mean that she's Battler's enemy. __________________
2009-09-17, 20:11   Link #2095
Qilin
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Age: 25
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 Originally Posted by Jan-Poo Are you sure she's cruel? Virgilia is simply on Beatrice's side. Although she doesn't really like the methods her disciple uses, she understands what she's trying to do, and she helps her at the best of her possibilities. And being on Beatrice's side, doesn't necessarily mean that she's Battler's enemy.
Fine. I'm not so sure is she's really cruel or not, but the EP4 depicts her as a stereotypical villain. Her sinister looking sprite reinforces that notion as well. What exactly is her disciple trying to do then? Killing a group of people endlessly for enjoyment? That sounds pretty much like the opposite of the "smiles and happiness of people".

I haven't read EP5 yet, but that's what I gather so far.

 2009-09-17, 20:34 Link #2096 Jan-Poo 別にいいけど     Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error Well she does comfort the siestas, and she does play the villain there. But the scene where she actually kill someone is the same scene where Krauss defeats a goat with a single punch after bringing is power over nine thousand!!!! In other words does that really happen? Or is Virgilia just playing the role as part of Beatrice's plan? __________________
2009-09-17, 20:42   Link #2097
momobunny
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Age: 25
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Jan-Poo Well she does comfort the siestas, and she does play the villain there. But the scene where she actually kill someone is the same scene where Krauss defeats a goat with a single punch after bringing is power over nine thousand!!!! In other words does that really happen? Or is Virgilia just playing the role as part of Beatrice's plan?
I've wondered the same thing. I mean, there's no way a witch who can almost beat Beato and make such a strong impression be degraded so much that she can't even handle a few humans even WITH minions.

I think she was just acting. After EP3, it's not hard to believe that she'd be a good actress either.
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 2009-09-17, 21:15 Link #2098 Key Board Donut   Join Date: Nov 2003 At this point I'm certain the following is not the master mind: Battler, at least, Battler as we know him Krauss. Too damn inept to plan anything. Might be an accomplice, though Natsuhi. Delusional, but not master mind material. Might be an accomplice Maria. Too young Kumasawa. Too old Eva. The was most likely an accomplice during one of the games, but she's not the master mind. The episode 3 ending happened because an argument broke out between her and the master mind. ( Hideyoshi was killed among other things ) Hideyoshi. See above Ange. Obviously... she's more a victim
 2009-09-17, 21:18 Link #2099 Proto Knowledge is the solution     Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: U. of Pittsburgh, Previously in Mexico City. Age: 31 Well, you can always assume that there is more than one group of conspirators. Or a scenario similar to Agatha Cristie's Orient Express. Ad infinitum. __________________ How to play Japanese games in Linux
2009-09-17, 21:50   Link #2100
luckyssol
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Join Date: Jul 2009
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 Originally Posted by Key Board At this point I'm certain the following is not the master mind: Battler, at least, Battler as we know him Krauss. Too damn inept to plan anything. Might be an accomplice, though Natsuhi. Delusional, but not master mind material. Might be an accomplice Maria. Too young Kumasawa. Too old Eva. The was most likely an accomplice during one of the games, but she's not the master mind. The episode 3 ending happened because an argument broke out between her and the master mind. ( Hideyoshi was killed among other things ) Hideyoshi. See above Ange. Obviously... she's more a victim
I agree with all these and I especially agree with not having Kinzo on this list.

I want to know exactly who it was that everyone recognized as Kinzo in episode 4. I hope episode 6 gives us more details.