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Old 2009-09-17, 22:05   Link #2101
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There isn't any english word that is 6 letters long and only has a single vowel.
There are several, actually. To name a few...

bright
slight
shifts
whisks
drifts
thorns

"Rhythm" doesn't even have one unless you count the "y", for that matter.
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Old 2009-09-17, 22:40   Link #2102
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Okay I stand corrected XD

but you kinda cheated with the plural, I doubt the "key" is in plural form and i doubt it's anything but a noun (no adjectives and adverbs).
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Old 2009-09-17, 22:42   Link #2103
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Well, I don't know... "thorns" isn't out of the question, considering.

But I was just throwing out some words regardless of plausibility, really
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Old 2009-09-18, 02:44   Link #2104
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"strengths" is eight letters and only has one vowel.
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Old 2009-09-18, 06:21   Link #2105
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Jessica is Beatrice !
in EP1, she give the charm to her mother , she's the only one who can create the illusion that beato exist because nobody know that natsuhi had a charm against magic
from EP4, I suspect that she's the most suspicious to wrote the wine bottle lettle, because of same writing as maria book, maria come often to rokkenjima, she manipulate and affirm that she's beato + they have many similarities , hair color , clothes ' like in EP 2'
but there are many holes, like who gave the letter , I think it's shannon is an accomplice
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Old 2009-09-18, 06:44   Link #2106
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There's a big split between Jessica and Shannon as possible Beatrice he he. But maybe both of them are Beatrice.
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Old 2009-09-18, 07:00   Link #2107
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Now I'm torn between an Eva+Rosa conspiracy and a Shannon+Jessica conspiracy

Rosa and Eva are goddamn suspicious

And now a reminder:
EP1: Jessica live to the end.

Back in EP2, when Battler was trying to explain Jessica's secret room, he tried to argue that someone was hidden there. To that, Beatrice said in red the names of the people who were there , but when she said 'corpse jessica', the 'corpse' was left in white
And since in EP5 we had a pretty uglier 'fake death', that stake on her back would be a piece of cake to fake

EP3: She had a sudden 'revelation' ( ), that Eva killed her parents. Could be a mastermind+accomplice quarrel.

EP4: Lived to almost the end

EP5: Jessica's fake death


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Old 2009-09-18, 07:01   Link #2108
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You know, just thinking about it, does Battler ever actually see the attack upon Natsuhi's door in the first episode - ye olde "you can't trust anything Battler doesn't see" schpiel here, but I want to make sure.

My problem with a Shannon + Jessica conspiracy is to put it quite simply motivation. One of the general linchpins for "Shannon is Beatrice" and "Jessica is Beatrice" theories is the concept that Battler makes a sort of a foolish promise to either one of them and fails to fulfill it due to his quarrel with Rudolph. Even if Battler made that promise to both of them, I doubt they could then work together as they then would be rivals for Battler (okay, yes, there is the threesome option, but I doubt that.) Furthermore, unlike Genji, Nanjo, or George, I doubt either Shannon or Jessica would be motivated by the promise of gold, as neither seems to have a real interest in money. I had considered that Jessica was the one running amok in Episode 3 (as I argue that Shannon's death means the mastermind's plan went completely awry in Episode 3) but we have Ushiromiya Jessica has not committed murder which at minimum should apply to Episode 3. Maybe Jessica is the staker?

@Jan-Poo: yeah, that. I don't think Battler ever saw them, and if anything I think only Natsuhi (definitely delusional to some degree) and Genji (whom I suspect) saw them, so it's an interesting thought.

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Old 2009-09-18, 07:27   Link #2109
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what do you mean? The red marks on Natsuhi's door?

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One of the general linchpins for "Shannon is Beatrice" and "Jessica is Beatrice" theories is the concept that Battler makes a sort of a foolish promise to either one of them and fails to fulfill it due to his quarrel with Rudolph
Here comes the question: "Battler made a promise to Beatrice" or "Battler made a promise to someone other than Beatrice". If Jessica is Beatrice then she might do all of this out of friendship. There's another interpretation. Shannon is doing all the killings and Jessica is protecting her by placing the blame on Beatrice. "Everything was done by the witch there is no need to blame one of us". Beatrice in ep4 did say that the promise wasn't with her.

The only problem with that is in ep5

Spoiler for episode5:
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Old 2009-09-18, 08:18   Link #2110
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I have a question which may seem odd at first glance:
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Old 2009-09-18, 08:34   Link #2111
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Nope. Only thing that we can believe is that Ushiromiya Kinzo and Ushiromiya Battler share blood by some means.
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Old 2009-09-18, 08:45   Link #2112
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Nope. Only thing that we can believe is that Ushiromiya Kinzo and Ushiromiya Battler share blood by some means.
Ahhahh ... Okay, here's a cracked theory for all y'all:
Spoiler:
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Old 2009-09-18, 08:55   Link #2113
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@Aebliss:
The sin I am now demanding that you remember is not between Ushiromiya Battler and Beatrice.
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Old 2009-09-18, 08:57   Link #2114
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The sin I am now demanding that you remember is not between Ushiromiya Battler and Beatrice.
Ah. Oh, well. Worth a shot. ^^;
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Old 2009-09-18, 09:00   Link #2115
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Ahhahh ... Okay, here's a cracked theory for all y'all:
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Wasn't his mistress the one that Rosa killed anyway?
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Old 2009-09-18, 09:11   Link #2116
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The sin I am now demanding that you remember is not between Ushiromiya Battler and Beatrice.
On second thought - which Beatrice?
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Old 2009-09-18, 10:29   Link #2117
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Wasn't his mistress the one that Rosa killed anyway?
According to Genji in ep1 Beatrice died in 1952 or before, which means the Beatrice that Rosa "Killed" is yet another Beatrice. that one was too young to be the one that lend the gold to Kinzo anyway. This second Beatrice maybe was also Kinzo's mistress but I doubt that.
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Old 2009-09-18, 14:18   Link #2118
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I think...I may have broken the locked room of Eva's and Hideyoshi's death. Not solved but I may have a solution to how to enter the room.

Spoiler for size:


Spoiler for Example 1:


Spoiler for Example 2:


Spoiler for In closing:


Any thoughts or suggestions?
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Old 2009-09-18, 14:28   Link #2119
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I think it's definitely a really cool idea. I'm wondering, though... most of us assume they're dead by the time Kanon and Genji get there. Since the paint wasn't there at the time, there was nothing to prevent them from seeing the hole or whatever was done to the door. In this case, how did they miss it?

Of course, it's easy if at least one of them was in on the crime.
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Old 2009-09-18, 14:29   Link #2120
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Well your solutions seem reasonable but I think in Umineko the closet room is not created with such complicated tricks. It just doesn#t feel right though those solutions are certainly nice

I still believe the closet room war created through a lie fo Kanon, Genji and Kumasawa.
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