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Old 2009-09-21, 14:18   Link #201
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Wait, I just realized something, from what I know Tsubasa doesn't remember the time when she was Black Hanakawa so in other words she doesn't know about the existence of her. However, Oshino said in a past that she also paid him a fee, so what I want to ask is what that fee was for? Was it for the cat problem or what?
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Old 2009-09-21, 14:23   Link #202
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Wait, I just realized something, from what I know Tsubasa doesn't remember the time when she was Black Hanakawa so in other words she doesn't know about the existence of her. However, Oshino said in a past that she also paid him a fee, so what I want to ask is what that fee was for? Was it for the cat problem or what?
She remembers that Oshino helped her out, just not the details of how he helped her out so she paid him.
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Old 2009-09-21, 15:50   Link #203
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Heh, never realized that there was a character limit to a post...

Spoiler for subasa Cat chapter 3 and ep12 of the anime part 2:
My speculation and hopes on how Shaft is going to handle episode 12 if they do this particular chapter.

Spoiler for 12:
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Old 2009-09-21, 16:43   Link #204
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My speculation and hopes on how Shaft is going to handle episode 12 if they do this particular chapter.

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Actually this chapter is probably the longest chapter in any of the novels. The Hitagi Crab arc itself is only about 90 pages and Tsubasa Cat is about 235 pages long. As short as Hitagi Crab was in the novel, they still cut a bit of stuff from it. Reading things makes them go faster since you don't have to account for pauses in between dialogue and periods of silence.
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Old 2009-09-21, 16:46   Link #205
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Actually this chapter is probably the longest chapter in any of the novels. The Hitagi Crab arc itself is only about 90 pages and Tsubasa Cat is about 235 pages long. As short as Hitagi Crab was in the novel, they still cut a bit of stuff from it. Reading things makes them go faster since you don't have to account for pauses in between dialogue and periods of silence.
Yeah. I really wish they not put an OP (although I could see them putting Staple Stable after the lunch scene) and merge the ED into some of the latter parts (like when they start kissing) so they can get the most out of it.
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Old 2009-09-22, 01:14   Link #206
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Hmm, now that Oshino's gone from the city, how does Araragi deal with Kaii in Nisemonogatari?
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Old 2009-09-22, 02:35   Link #207
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Yeah. I really wish they not put an OP (although I could see them putting Staple Stable after the lunch scene) and merge the ED into some of the latter parts (like when they start kissing) so they can get the most out of it.
Uh merging the ED is pretty much going to happen 100%, I hope they don't use an OP period.. this should get the "last ep" treatment a lot of shows get.. in that no OP is played and the ED song is played during the closing scenes.

Also after reading that chapter posted by ickem you can see why I said in the ep 11 thread why SHAFT would be silly to debut the Tsubasa OP in episode 12. A Tsubasa OP is completely out of place with the content in the episode and they need that extra 90 seconds period.
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Old 2009-09-22, 19:21   Link #208
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Argh. I can't stand holding back while people make it seem as if Koyomi's a wishy-washy harem lead. It's not as if Koyomi can't examine his own feelings and declare them himself...
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Old 2009-09-22, 20:51   Link #209
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Argh. I can't stand holding back while people make it seem as if Koyomi's a wishy-washy harem lead. It's not as if Koyomi can't examine his own feelings and declare them himself...
It is what they are use to.

I tried my best without spoiling but... I know how you feel.
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Old 2009-09-23, 02:53   Link #210
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I have always thought about one thing, does Araragi's powers go as far as making him not age? I mean he has accelerated healing, so his body was some sort self maintenance. Also, if he indeed doesn't age what happens after 80 years? I mean would he choose to sacrifice Shinbou and grow old with Senjougahara or would he spend all of eternity in limbo with a chibi vampire?
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Old 2009-09-23, 10:37   Link #211
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I have always thought about one thing, does Araragi's powers go as far as making him not age? I mean he has accelerated healing, so his body was some sort self maintenance. Also, if he indeed doesn't age what happens after 80 years? I mean would he choose to sacrifice Shinbou and grow old with Senjougahara or would he spend all of eternity in limbo with a chibi vampire?

Shinobu actually brings this up in Nisemonogatari, but the question is never answered since even she doesn't know what would happen for sure.
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Old 2009-09-23, 10:51   Link #212
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Shinobu actually brings this up in Nisemonogatari, but the question is never answered since even she doesn't know what would happen for sure.
What is even worse, if Araragi does not become fully human will any children he has with Senjougahara be "normal" ?

Would Hitagi appreciate her kids being 1/20th vampire and possibly full vampire ?

It is certainly an interesting unknown.

In the end Araragi has to give up on Shinobu for his future with Hitagi and their kids... because it is too big a risk to take.

Perhaps Shinobu can take another human as her "keeper"... but it doesn't seem like it would happen given that after 500 years she is due to die from boredom.
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Old 2009-09-23, 14:06   Link #213
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What is even worse, if Araragi does not become fully human will any children he has with Senjougahara be "normal" ?

Would Hitagi appreciate her kids being 1/20th vampire and possibly full vampire ?

It is certainly an interesting unknown.

In the end Araragi has to give up on Shinobu for his future with Hitagi and their kids... because it is too big a risk to take.

Perhaps Shinobu can take another human as her "keeper"... but it doesn't seem like it would happen given that after 500 years she is due to die from boredom.
Sacrificing someone's life for Araragi's own happines is not a step i think Araragi would take. I won't think his nature will allow him to do it this way because he isn't blaiming Shinobu for anything and can't make up a specific reason that would make him start to hate her because she has aided him from the beginning and never tried to kill him.
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Old 2009-09-23, 15:18   Link #214
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Sacrificing someone's life for Araragi's own happines is not a step i think Araragi would take. I won't think his nature will allow him to do it this way because he isn't blaiming Shinobu for anything and can't make up a specific reason that would make him start to hate her because she has aided him from the beginning and never tried to kill him.
1.Shinobu is a royal vampire. She attracts oddities and hunters.

2.Shinobu is a vampire and her blood is in Araragi. How does he know he won't pass that on to his children. Thus making them mock oddities as well ?

3.Given that his kids could be mock oddities does that mean they won't be safe from all the other oddities that are attracted because of Shinobus blood in them ?

4.How will Shinobu deal with her possible future jealousy ? It is clear she does not like the women in his life.
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Old 2009-09-23, 15:55   Link #215
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I know we're all just hypothesizing here, playing around with a possible future that according to ickem wasn't answered at all...

But let me just put on the "table" the possibility that Shinobu will finally in the end just choose death to end her boredom.

Yes, it's too convenient. Yes, we're not sure if it's in Shinobu's character to be that generous or self-sacrificing.

But for me, that's a win-win situation there. Shinobu gets her peace and end to her boredom. Araragi gets back to a normal life.
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Old 2009-09-23, 17:33   Link #216
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1.Shinobu is a royal vampire. She attracts oddities and hunters.

2.Shinobu is a vampire and her blood is in Araragi. How does he know he won't pass that on to his children. Thus making them mock oddities as well ?

3.Given that his kids could be mock oddities does that mean they won't be safe from all the other oddities that are attracted because of Shinobus blood in them ?

4.How will Shinobu deal with her possible future jealousy ? It is clear she does not like the women in his life.
Actually Shinobu couldn't care less about any human other than Koyomi, let alone be able to feel jealousy over them. She only takes notice of Tsundere Girl and his sisters because they are important to Koyomi, and even then she couldn't differentiate Karen from Tsukihi if I remember right. Also, as she is now she doesn't emit anything that would actually attract Kaii. There are vestiges there, but is most likely not powerful enough to actually be detected unless you are within speaking distance of her.

P.S. I really should reread the novels since I kinda sped through them on the first run and everything seems to have blurred together. Oh well that can wait until after I finish reading Bungaku Shoujo.
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Old 2009-09-24, 08:19   Link #217
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1.Shinobu is a royal vampire. She attracts oddities and hunters.

See Ickem's post above ^^

2.Shinobu is a vampire and her blood is in Araragi. How does he know he won't pass that on to his children. Thus making them mock oddities as well ?

I can't specifally answer this because i don't know if the possibiltiy exist for that to happen.

3.Given that his kids could be mock oddities does that mean they won't be safe from all the other oddities that are attracted because of Shinobus blood in them ?

Their children wouldn't exist of 100% royal vampire blood, the chance that they "likely" would attract oddities is very slim.

4.How will Shinobu deal with her possible future jealousy ? It is clear she does not like the women in his life.

She cares about Araragi and i think she would bear with it even if she disliked it. I think
Btw, Araragi losing his vampire abilities would be a bit dissapointing to me. It makes him interesting.... being a oddity himself fighting against other oddities.
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Old 2009-09-24, 12:02   Link #218
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Can I ask you for a Nisemonogatari summary?

I read Hitagi will cut her hair and she'll call Hanekawa master... WHY? I don't really get...
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Old 2009-09-24, 18:02   Link #219
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I think it was stated earlier in the thread, but she calls Hanekawa "master" because Hanekawa is teaching her how to open up and show her emotions more because Hanekawa herself went through a similar change recently.
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Old 2009-09-24, 18:23   Link #220
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Hmm, now that Oshino's gone from the city, how does Araragi deal with Kaii in Nisemonogatari?
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Can I ask you for a Nisemonogatari summary?

I read Hitagi will cut her hair and she'll call Hanekawa master... WHY? I don't really get...
Spoiler for Nisemonogatari:
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