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Old 2009-09-26, 02:32   Link #681
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Spoiler for Lambda-11:
Aw man, wonder if that'll mean no more yandere when around Ragna. That was my fav aspect about Nu. D=

Unless other clones are fought using Lambda as a base.
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Old 2009-09-26, 02:50   Link #682
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Aw man, wonder if that'll mean no more yandere when around Ragna. That was my fav aspect about Nu. D=

Unless other clones are fought using Lambda as a base.
Too bad, you're right.

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Λ-11-
- range got shortened
- 2C is slow
- combo damage nerfed (2700-3400)
- new move Act Parser Zwei, Act Parser Zwei: Blade, Act Parser Zwei: Cavalier
- Act Parser Zwei is basically Jin's 214 move
- DD>4DD>236D doesn't combo
- No more special voice against Ragna
- No more raping Tager and Hakumen
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Old 2009-09-26, 10:29   Link #683
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Holy crap, no frog combo + slow wind regen is going to kill Rachel.

This means that Rachel's high damage combos are out.
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Old 2009-09-26, 10:51   Link #684
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Nu, Rachel and Aarakune needed to be nerfed...
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Old 2009-09-26, 11:04   Link #685
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I do agree that they need to be nerfed, but taking out an entire combo option is quite severe.

Though I think with the new aerial Sword Iris, it may make up for lack of frog. But then again, with slow wind regen, Rachel will need to be on the ground alot.

EDIT: Oh and lol, no j2C cancel when recovering on landing, can't cancel to normals during block. This completely kills all the j2C combos.

Rachel has effectively lost like 2/3s of her combos, leaving her basic BNBs. All of which we had learnt from MSY has been lost.
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Old 2009-09-26, 11:44   Link #686
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Holy crap, no frog combo + slow wind regen is going to kill Rachel.

This means that Rachel's high damage combos are out.
What!?! This really ticks me off being a Rachel player. That seems like a very drastic change.
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Old 2009-09-26, 12:00   Link #687
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Let's see, no frog combo =

No frog BNB.
Can't combo with Distortion attack.
No more waking up to frog.
No corner pressure.
Less guard crush.

Means we can only summon the frog, let it walk or blown around, which will be killed by a low attack. And we can't summon it immediately, there's some kind of frog meter like Eddie.

I think the j2C nerfing is about as bad, j2C is the one where Rachel drops out of the sky and sits on their opponents.

J2C, no combo from recovery on ground and no cancel to normals on block =

No triangle jumping.
No 'bouncing' combos.
Huge drop in guard crushing ability.
Cross and mixup game severely weakened.

We are now going to rely on Sword Iris alot and very strictly controlled use of pumpkins.
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Old 2009-09-26, 12:13   Link #688
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Its far from final, they'll probably nerf the top tier hard and than bring them up again.
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Old 2009-09-26, 12:39   Link #689
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Yes being the first location test, I'm sure they'll get alot of feedback to rebuff Rachel lol

Rachel is like bottom tier now and will be spamming Tiny Lobelia and Sword Iris, completely zoning with zero rushdown play.
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Old 2009-09-26, 14:29   Link #690
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You know, out of all the characters in the roster, Rachel was one of the last ones I think needed such a huge nerf like the one they're apparently giving her now. Hope it's not all true, since I don't know if I'll still be sticking with Rachel after this.
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Old 2009-09-26, 14:31   Link #691
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She's the 3rd best character in the game... Jin got nerfed hard too and Rachael is much better than him.
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Old 2009-09-26, 14:57   Link #692
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Actually by match-ups and by general agreement, Rachel is the best character in the game.

She does the best overall against all characters, except a 45 : 55 against Nu.

Check the match-up chart on Dustloop, which doubles as tier list:
http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7339

By match up, Jin actually does well against Rachel, its a 50 : 50 match. Believe us Rachel players that we really hate Jin lol

The nerfing brought Rachel lower than Jin now, you don't expect Rachel to win Jin just by Tiny Lobelia spamming.
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Old 2009-09-26, 14:58   Link #693
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Been thinking about buying this for a long time.
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Old 2009-09-26, 15:36   Link #694
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finally played it today. Nu's just knowing when to C and D. beat the arcade mode on hard or w/e it is, figured the best way to get to know the game is trial by fire. now it's time to hop into training.

like someone on dustloop said, this weekend is just throwing shit on the wall and seeing what sticks. half these changes will probably be changed again or whatnot.
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Old 2009-09-26, 21:31   Link #695
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new character scans. goodies.
Spoiler for Bang, Carl, Hakumen, ^-11:

Spoiler for Noel, Tager, Taokaka, Rachel:

what is that on Tao's chest... i have an idea..
Spoiler for Tsubaki, Ragna, Jin, Litchi, Arakune, Bang:


characters look more badass.. except for ^. i've already fallen for Nu in ~4 hours of playing.
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Old 2009-09-26, 23:49   Link #696
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Wow so all the returning characters are being given a bit of an appearance update, I wasn't expecting that due to the screenshots.

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Good lord Rachel looks pale in that picture. Maybe her vampirish side is starting to turn dominant.
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Old 2009-09-27, 00:24   Link #697
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hilarity ensues with Taokaka's real buff. s-class boobies.
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Old 2009-09-27, 02:17   Link #698
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Too bad no more yandere nu. That was perhaps the most interesting part of the game for me, being a shipper and all.

Man, so disappointed with Tsubaki's costume. Looks so bland IMO, but hey, at least it kinda looks like she's taken over nu as the yandere of the game. XD
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Old 2009-09-27, 03:44   Link #699
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Wow so all the returning characters are being given a bit of an appearance update
To me it just looks like the characters done by another artist.
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Old 2009-09-27, 04:44   Link #700
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To me it just looks like the characters done by another artist.
Eh maybe. If this is a direct sequal to Calamity Trigger then I would expect no change in appearance, but if it happens like a few months afterward or so I'd expect a little change.

But it doesn't really matter either way anyway.
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