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Old 2009-10-04, 21:10   Link #20221
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In other words, when it's something Kyon doesn't know about.
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Old 2009-10-04, 21:48   Link #20222
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Do you even know what True is?
The route that makes the events after September make sense canonically.
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Old 2009-10-04, 21:51   Link #20223
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The route that makes the events after September make sense canonically.
Yaaay someone has been paying attention. Good job, man.

That's... pretty much what True is, yeah. Sort of. Ohoho~.
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Old 2009-10-04, 21:58   Link #20224
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Actually, I do remember some discussion on having a small picture of whoever was narrating off to the corner of the screen.
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Old 2009-10-04, 22:05   Link #20225
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Kaisos, the most recent update made me wonder... Did you decide to start having Kyonko's cover identity be called "Ayu" instead of "Nayuki"? She's short, she's a thief, she runs into a tall male (repeatedly, from what you say)... I was one nonsense-sound from expecting her to get a pinky-swear that Kyon would help her.

Nice update.
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Old 2009-10-04, 22:10   Link #20226
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Kaisos, the most recent update made me wonder... Did you decide to start having Kyonko's cover identity be called "Ayu" instead of "Nayuki"? She's short, she's a thief, she runs into a tall male (repeatedly, from what you say)... I was one nonsense-sound from expecting her to get a pinky-swear that Kyon would help her.
Given the theory that the Haruhi universe is a subset of Kanon's, I don't think Kyon making a direct reference to it would make sense.

While he, theoretically, would have known Nayuki, he most certainly has not met Ayu.

And the thing about Kyonko is that she's nothing like either of them.

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Nice update.
Thank you, though.
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Old 2009-10-04, 22:53   Link #20227
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Given the theory that the Haruhi universe is a subset of Kanon's, I don't think Kyon making a direct reference to it would make sense.

While he, theoretically, would have known Nayuki, he most certainly has not met Ayu.

And the thing about Kyonko is that she's nothing like either of them.
Well, given what he said, she is, now, more similar to Ayu then to Nayuki. And that theory, while amazing, is more or less impossible, since both shows were not created by the same author.

Also, Kyon could have played Kanon. It was realesed for the first time in 1999/2000. The only thing we know when Haruhi happens is it is after 1999 (as the prologue of Melancholy said). And Kyon is a bit nerd anyway.

I frankly liked the idea. Ayu is the female lead after all.
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Old 2009-10-04, 23:00   Link #20228
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And that theory, while amazing, is more or less impossible, since both shows were not created by the same author.
Hey, it could happen. Maybe. Not really. Fine.

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Also, Kyon could have played Kanon. It was realesed for the first time in 1999/2000. The only thing we know when Haruhi happens is it is after 1999 (as the prologue of Melancholy said). And Kyon is a bit nerd anyway.
...

Kanon is an eroge.

Kyon would have been, what, nine, ten-ish when Kanon originally came out? Why would his parents buy it for him?

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I frankly liked the idea. Ayu is the female lead after all.
Ayu is also annoying.
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Old 2009-10-04, 23:06   Link #20229
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...

Kanon is an eroge.

Kyon would have been, what, nine, ten-ish when Kanon originally came out? Why would his parents buy it for him?
He is 16 now right? He could have played recently. He might have watched the anime liked and played. You assumed the novel took place in 2007, just after KyoAni adaption. Being an eroge would not stop a teenage guy. And there is also the PS2 version (censored, I presume).

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Ayu is also annoying.
Couldn't agree more. Why is her the official girl anyway? All the others would be better.
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Old 2009-10-04, 23:12   Link #20230
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He is 16 now right? He could have played recently. He might have watched the anime liked and played. You assumed the novel took place in 2007, just after KyoAni adaption. Being an eroge would not stop a teenage guy. And there is also the PS2 version (censored, I presume).
I was figuring it takes place around 2004... Kyon starts the series at age 15.

For some reason, I can't see Kyon as much of an otaku at all. Sure, he's rather a manga addict, but I honestly don't think he's into the sort of stuff that, say, Haruhi is into (Shuffle, for example).

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Couldn't agree more. Why is her the official girl anyway? All the others would be better.
And yet you like Fuuko.

I have no idea why she's the official girl at all, but, leave it to Maeda, I guess.
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Old 2009-10-04, 23:18   Link #20231
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Couldn't agree more. Why is her the official girl anyway? All the others would be better.
Forget the other girls, choosing taiyaki would be better than Ayu. Pastries generally don't speak, so there's little to no chance of any "uguu"s coming up.
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I was figuring it takes place around 2004... Kyon starts the series at age 15.

For some reason, I can't see Kyon as much of an otaku at all. Sure, he's rather a manga addict, but I honestly don't think he's into the sort of stuff that, say, Haruhi is into (Shuffle, for example).
15 is not a bad age to play eroge either. Puberty, hormones and etc. You have a point, anyway. Kanon genre would interest Kyon, anyway. Supernatural things in a common sting. Wasn't this stuffs he used to like? I have the impression Kyon used to be kinda an otaku before meeting Sasaki.

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And yet you like Fuuko.

I have no idea why she's the official girl at all, but, leave it to Maeda, I guess.
Hey, Fuuko is awsome. Much more then Ayu. She is like an Ayu that works. However, I wouldn't like her to be the official girl anyway. Beside Nagisa, both Tomoyo and Kyou would work better.

Who is Maeda, anyway?

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Forget the other girls, choosing taiyaki would be better than Ayu. Pastries generally don't speak, so there's little to no chance of any "uguu"s coming up.
She is not that bad. Just annoying.
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Old 2009-10-04, 23:24   Link #20233
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Forget the other girls, choosing taiyaki would be better than Ayu. Pastries generally don't speak, so there's little to no chance of any "uguu"s coming up.
The only good thing about uguu was how Yuuichi made fun of it.

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15 is not a bad age to play eroge either. Puberty, hormones and etc. You have a point, anyway. Kanon genre would interest Kyon, anyway. Supernatural things in a common sting. Wasn't this stuffs he used to like? I have the impression Kyon used to be kinda an otaku before meeting Sasaki.
I don't think he was a moetaku, though.

Kanon isn't supernatural enough to really interest a typical teenage boy, let alone Kyon... if anything, he'd have played Fate/Stay Night or something in that vein.

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Who is Maeda, anyway?
Jun Maeda, the scenario writer for large portions of Kanon and Clannad. He LOVES his magic-realism scenarios, and, apparently, uguu.
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The only good thing about uguu was how Yuuichi made fun of it.
This is related to Yuuichi being awsome.

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I don't think he was a moetaku, though.

Kanon isn't supernatural enough to really interest a typical teenage boy, let alone Kyon... if anything, he'd have played Fate/Stay Night or something in that vein.
You have a point. I agree. I still think "Ayu" fit Kyonko more then "Nayuki", tough. Blame Sute for that. It is a meta reference, anyway, Kyon might have just made up the name. Ayu isn't a kinda of obscure name it is?

I never liked "Nayuki, anyway. It just don't fit.

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Who is Maeda, anyway?
Jun Maeda, the scenario writer for large portions of Kanon and Clannad. He LOVES his magic-realism scenarios, and, apparently, uguu.
I see. But why the quote seen to belong to witty?
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Old 2009-10-04, 23:48   Link #20235
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Kyon could have seen Kanon (2002).

The in-story reasoning was that Kyon is a cousin to Nayuki and thus a cousin to Yuuichi as well. The theory being that "Kyon" is what his aunt called him at some point and his little sister keeping the nickname alive long enough that no one calls him by his real name (expect for maybe Yuki when she's not talking directly to "Kyon") Thus this aunt would, in theory, be Nayuki's mother.

Question: Who cames up with the "Nayuki" name in the story? Kyon or Kyonko?
If Kyon the the theory remains the same...if it was Kyonko...then Kanon would be the an offshoot of the Genderbent reality...thus in Haruhi and Kyon's world...the Kanon people might be genderbent.....*sigh*
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Old 2009-10-05, 00:06   Link #20236
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Given the fact that there's a scene labeled "I shall call her 'Nayuki,'" I'd assume Kyon's the one who did it. Besides, in terms of the VN, only people Haruhi is relatively familiar with ended up getting swapped.
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I see. But why the quote seen to belong to witty?
My bad, sorry.

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If Kyon the the theory remains the same...if it was Kyonko...then Kanon would be the an offshoot of the Genderbent reality...thus in Haruhi and Kyon's world...the Kanon people might be genderbent.....*sigh*
It's Kyon's idea.


Also.

Spoiler for September the Fifth, Day 4: After School- Walking Home:


Refer to the now-Beta flowchart for how this is supposed to work, I guess.

Wow this was a lot of work.

Note: The static effects here have to extremely sudden for these to have the effects I want them to have.
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Old 2009-10-05, 00:21   Link #20238
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That was fun. Especially Kyonko's scenario.
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Awesome. There's nothing else I can say, aside from wondering what was up during part of Tsuruya's...

*e* Er... the twenty meters thing, I mean.
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@Haruhi route: got that from Haruhi before they left the cafe (first SOS Brigade activity)

@Tsuruya-san route: That lucky guy... he got his first k-shh

@Kyonko route: the last laugh, maybe Kyon will meet both of them already...
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