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View Poll Results: Should there be Ero/H in visual novels?
Aye 75 65.79%
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Old 2009-10-12, 18:12   Link #41
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I voted Nay. Of the games I've played with such scenes, they almost universally felt out of place and ruined the pacing/mood. I have nothing against characters having sex as part of story, and indeed sometimes that can be very important, but I'd say about 99% of the time there's absolutely no reason to go into explicit detail about it. They don't even make particularly good porn, as I'm probably not in the mood at that point in the story.
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Old 2009-10-15, 10:29   Link #42
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Nay! A lot of visual novels out there could do without the ero...that is not to say that the ero wasn't well done..but by just including 5 min of ero in a 50 hours long visual novel, it causes a stigma to be attached to these visual novels. lol the most obvious change would be calling these games 'H games' as opposed to their original name..'Visual Novels'. The ' H game' label would in turn dissuade lots of people( newbies!) from buying these games or stir up a lot of needless controversies and moral issues( Rapelay aftermath..with women rights associations/politicians petitioning against games with ero content...even harmless themes like school council were part of their to-be-banned list ). Ultimately, it results in less people playing some of those great visual novels out there.
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Old 2009-10-15, 13:29   Link #43
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Unless we're making a distinction between porn-with-plot games and plot-with-porn games, I'd say that I would rather allow ero in visual novels rather than not, considering that the majority of visual novels don't really have great story [or aren't even made to have a good story].
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Old 2013-01-20, 06:03   Link #44
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Yea there should be choice to have ero.

I dont think that stuff like rape and child sex is okay tho.
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Old 2013-01-20, 06:07   Link #45
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Yea there should be choice to have ero.
I dont think that stuff like rape and child sex is okay tho.
If you don't like those kind of H-scenes, then you have obviously bought the wrong game.
As for choices, you have the choice to buy an all ages game or an eroge.

Also why did you bother reviving a dead thread from almost 3,5 years ago?
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Old 2013-01-20, 06:11   Link #46
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Definitely NOT. Imagine having sex scene in Clannad!!!

That is why there EROGES and VISUAL NOVELS..

Want to play erotic stuffs? Play Eroges instead!!!
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Old 2013-01-20, 06:41   Link #47
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If you don't like those kind of H-scenes, then you have obviously bought the wrong game.
As for choices, you have the choice to buy an all ages game or an eroge.

Also why did you bother reviving a dead thread from almost 3,5 years ago?
I tried to open a new thread, but was reprimanded and told to use an old one by mod.

I never bought games with any sex, especially not games with sex I don't like. I'm no hypocrit.
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Old 2013-01-20, 07:01   Link #48
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And that's why i posted earlier that if you don't want any sexual content, you can opt not to buy(i doubt you are buying them in the first place)/play eroge but all ages VN's instead. While not as abundant as eroge, there are still plenty of those to read.
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Old 2013-01-20, 07:30   Link #49
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Definitely NOT. Imagine having sex scene in Clannad!!!

That is why there EROGES and VISUAL NOVELS..

Want to play erotic stuffs? Play Eroges instead!!!
I think this thread was placing eroge inside of a larger category called "visual novels". I don't think the question was "should visual novels without ero content gain it". But rather, in general terms, is it better for a visual novel to have or not have erotic content (given an equal choice).

The question is, as others alluded in the comments years back, a bit too simplistic. The "best answer" is probably "it depends"... and that's not on the poll.
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Old 2013-01-20, 07:34   Link #50
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I don't think the question was "should visual novels without ero content gain it". But rather, in general terms, is it better for a visual novel to have or not have erotic content (given an equal choice).

The question is, as others alluded in the comments years back, a bit too simplistic.
From a financial perspective, eroges are more lucrative. Because sales wise, eroges overall tend to sell more than all ages VN.
Which was very evident when Minori's all ages game Supipara earlier this year bombed hard, while their Natsuzora no Perseus (released 4 weeks ago)ended being the 4th highest sold VN of getchu in 2012 . There are exceptions like VN's made by Type Moon (and maybe key, but that is debatable), as those games tend to sell very well regardless if it's an eroge or an all ages work.
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Old 2013-01-20, 08:59   Link #51
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Definitely NOT. Imagine having sex scene in Clannad!!!

That is why there EROGES and VISUAL NOVELS..

Want to play erotic stuffs? Play Eroges instead!!!
There's something called the consumer (CS) version....

And eroge and VN have so much overlap, they are practically the same anyway.
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Old 2013-01-20, 10:21   Link #52
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And that's why i posted earlier that if you don't want any sexual content, you can opt not to buy(i doubt you are buying them in the first place)/play eroge but all ages VN's instead. While not as abundant as eroge, there are still plenty of those to read.
I do opt not to. And I do buy, tho I see what makes you think I just pirate like most people.

And I never said I don't want any sexual content, I said that I'm not sure what to say to games with things like rape, which isn't just sex.
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Old 2013-01-20, 11:10   Link #53
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PS2/PS3/PSP/Xbox releases from my perspective are 100% free from this. So you can just divert in that direction? But after playing Fate/Extra on my PSP, VNs can do without the H content in them. There are many people who play VNs just to get to the H content and ignore the story. This is probably what spurred other VNs that focus entirely on just that. Which in my opinion is a clear "stay about 810 miles away from me" sign.

So I say "Nay" to the main question which is "Should there be Ero/H in visual novels?" A VN doesn't need that type of content to be playable. Which is why I like Katawa Shoujo, and ef - a fairy tale of the two. The option to add or remove that content is a bliss.
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Old 2013-01-20, 11:14   Link #54
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PS2/PS3/PSP/Xbox releases from my perspective are 100% free from this.
Well if there was sexual content, it would have made those games Cero Z. Which will make these games much harder to purchase due to stricter laws in japan.

Also the majority of these VN's are ports from their eroge counterparts but without the H-scenes.

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So you can just divert in that direction? But after playing Fate/Extra on my PSP, VNs can do without the H content in them.
Fate/extra is not a VN....
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There are many people who play VNs just to get to the H content and ignore the story. This is probably what spurred other VNs that focus entirely on just that. Which in my opinion is a clear "stay about 70 miles away from me" sign.
Likewise there are also people who read those games without bothering with the H-scenes. So your exact point is?
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Old 2013-01-20, 11:18   Link #55
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Can't argue there I just think it is.

My point is that VNs are selling to a good amount of people just because of that fact. Which some companies just go ahead and focus entirely on that content. Quite quick to respond though
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Old 2013-01-20, 11:25   Link #56
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This question is certainly black and white. I separate eroge and visual novels anyway because I didn't play Tsukihime for the sex scenes.
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Old 2013-01-20, 13:44   Link #57
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Everyone loves sex. A good story and some amount of love making can go hand in hand.

Some games might overdo it, but that's applicable to any game in any aspect; so maybe finding the better ones or your favorite ones won't be that easy. Maybe it's not for you, not everyone plays shooting games either. But I think more people are inclined to be attracted to something like sex than guns. Perhaps some haven't played a 'good' eroge title but either way I think less people are willing to admit it even if they did and liked it
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Old 2013-01-20, 13:46   Link #58
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Everyone loves sex. A good story and some amount of love making can go hand in hand.

Some games might overdo it, but that's applicable to any game in any aspect; so maybe finding the better ones or your favorite ones won't be that easy. Maybe it's not for you, not everyone plays shooting games either. But I think more people are inclined to be attracted to something like sex than guns. Perhaps some haven't played a 'good' eroge title but either way I think less people are willing to admit it even if they did and liked it
I hope so. Sex is natural and needed. Guns are always bad!
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Old 2013-01-20, 16:48   Link #59
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Everyone loves sex. A good story and some amount of love making can go hand in hand.
Too bad only 18+ could play them if that happens...

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I hope so. Sex is natural and needed. Guns are always bad!
At the right age dude....
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Old 2013-01-20, 17:07   Link #60
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Too bad only 18+ could play them if that happens...



At the right age dude....
Of course. I'm syaing it's a natural part of a species though. Ive seen people (all kids afaik) who like visual novels but whine about how sex scenes are so terrible. lol
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