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Old 2009-10-14, 09:36   Link #81
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Suruga's DVD cover must have been influenced by BL covers. That setting and pose is exactly what the seme would look like on a BL novel/manga/anime.

Reading BL in such glorified pose is a perfect win to me...

Bakemonogatari has beaten Haruhi first season sales. Should we all celebrate?

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#7 Suzumiya Haruhi 41307 units
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Old 2009-10-14, 11:48   Link #82
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Very impressive sales, and I love Haruhi getting a boot to the face. Suck on that, Kyoani.
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Old 2009-10-16, 04:23   Link #83
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Bakemonogatari has beaten Haruhi first season sales. Should we all celebrate?
Hmm if that list was updated Haruhi would now be behind Bakemonogatari (56,475 after 1 vol) Macross Frontier (44,178 avg) K-ON! (43,980 avg after 3 vols), Code Geass R2 (41,332 avg).

Keep in mind that even if Bake Vol 1 finishes at around 60,000 it's avg could fall down into the 40k range. There is usually a big drop off from Vol 1 and the rest of the series, as you can see comparing these first vol sales to the avg sales they did.

Macross Frontier Vol 1 = 64981

2008/07/25 30,239 Vol. 1 (Three versions of Episode 1)
2008/07/25 34,742 Vol. 1

Code Geass R2 Vol 1 = 59041

2008/08/22 39,907 Vol. 01 (One episode)
2008/08/22 19,134 Vol. 01

I think Bake won't get affected as much as usual though.
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Old 2009-10-16, 06:34   Link #84
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Hmm if that list was updated Haruhi would now be behind Bakemonogatari (56,475 after 1 vol) Macross Frontier (44,178 avg) K-ON! (43,980 avg after 3 vols), Code Geass R2 (41,332 avg).

Keep in mind that even if Bake Vol 1 finishes at around 60,000 it's avg could fall down into the 40k range. There is usually a big drop off from Vol 1 and the rest of the series, as you can see comparing these first vol sales to the avg sales they did.

Macross Frontier Vol 1 = 64981

2008/07/25 30,239 Vol. 1 (Three versions of Episode 1)
2008/07/25 34,742 Vol. 1

Code Geass R2 Vol 1 = 59041

2008/08/22 39,907 Vol. 01 (One episode)
2008/08/22 19,134 Vol. 01

I think Bake won't get affected as much as usual though.
Personally, I think sales for the other arcs will rise, I mean I feel the second arc was the best out of the five(fifth pending jugdment) and the fourth arc has episode 10 where people would be dying to see the "complete" version.
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Old 2009-10-16, 07:30   Link #85
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Hmm if that list was updated Haruhi would now be behind Bakemonogatari (56,475 after 1 vol) Macross Frontier (44,178 avg) K-ON! (43,980 avg after 3 vols), Code Geass R2 (41,332 avg).

Keep in mind that even if Bake Vol 1 finishes at around 60,000 it's avg could fall down into the 40k range. There is usually a big drop off from Vol 1 and the rest of the series, as you can see comparing these first vol sales to the avg sales they did.

Macross Frontier Vol 1 = 64981

2008/07/25 30,239 Vol. 1 (Three versions of Episode 1)
2008/07/25 34,742 Vol. 1

Code Geass R2 Vol 1 = 59041

2008/08/22 39,907 Vol. 01 (One episode)
2008/08/22 19,134 Vol. 01

I think Bake won't get affected as much as usual though.
Macross and Geass (and gundam 00 too) are top tier Bandai series with a wider range of audience and impressive promotional coverage (not that Bakemonogatari seem to lack in the latter). They tend to drop rapidly after the first volume, they have cheaper editions and first volume is usually sold at a very low price, compared to more otaku oriented products (especially Kadokawa Shoten ones). Otaku/Fujioshi oriented anime tend to sell constantly, or they may drop something but not as much, in proportion, as mainstream ones (lets say title with a wider appeal). Haruhi is one of them (and it's even peculiar because of the massive shortage at the time), but we can also consider other Kyoani works, or other famous title like Nanoha.
And it's not too healthy to stick with Oricon data: a lot is missing (look at BD sales, or older titles) and the chart system may be tricky, especially for DVD sales. Last but not least Oricon doesn't cover the whole market, I know for sure is around 60% for manga distribution, but I've no idea of video department: Kodakawa declared to have sold, one year after commercialization, 800k of Suzumiya Haruhi's DVD (100k for volume) while Oricon figures are a lot lower.
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Old 2009-10-16, 07:42   Link #86
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Kodakawa declared to have sold, one year after commercialization, 800k of Suzumiya Haruhi's DVD (100k for volume) while Oricon figures are a lot lower.
From my experience with video game and music cds (video game and hiphop sales are serious business!) when companies talk about figures it's what they have shipped and not actually physically sold. You see stuff like that new Batman game has sold 2 million copies worldwide but when you look at sales figures it's nowhere near that. It's sold/shipped 2 million to retailers, same when music cds get certified platinum in America, they've have sold/shipped 1 million copies to retailers while they have only sold 800,000 etc. Also UFC claim their PVPs sell around say 500,000 when they're rumored to do around 150,000.. some companies exaggerate... I'll be surprised if Kodakawa aren't doing the same thing... though it clearly doesn't make up for all of the 60,000 gap between Oricon and their figures.
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Old 2009-10-16, 08:29   Link #87
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And in my experience not even NPD or Chartrack cover the 100% of their assigned market. Overprinting in a niche market like anime may be fatal, of course they are probably boasting but the difference is to wide.
Other case I remember are: Aria (Natural and Animation) 20k for volume (the data is from the fusion between Mag Garden and Production I.G.), Gundam Seed Destiny was around 120k average and Bandai declared (over) 100k copies for Geass R2 (Vol. 1 and 2) and Macross F (Volume 1) and a total of 800K for Geass first season (DVD only).
For example I know Oricon get the data from Tohan for the Manga Chart, which is the main distributor but not the only one (Taiyosha for example should cover around 30% of the market). Thats where, probably, most of that difference lay (that and the chart thing, where title may sell something but are not counted).

So yeah! A serious business!
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Old 2009-10-16, 09:21   Link #88
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Well, technically aren't the publishers selling their products to the retailers, who then sell them to the customers for a markup? From that point of view, shipping things to stores does count as selling them. It's just that the stores get to return the unsold ones for a full refund.
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Old 2009-10-16, 09:29   Link #89
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Well, technically aren't the publishers selling their products to the retailers, who then sell them to the customers for a markup? From that point of view, shipping things to stores does count as selling them. It's just that the stores get to return the unsold ones for a full refund.
And those unreturned one are still counted in the figures if we go by what companies tell us. It's like when Atari produced a really massive amount of E.T games back in the 80's.. it was a terrible game.. and there's rumors going around that they filled a tip with the returns which they buried lol.
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Old 2009-10-16, 12:51   Link #90
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As far as I know, anime medias are not returnable, and Oricon's market coverage for DVD/BD is 77%.

Anyway, the actual reported sales:

BD  29,372 +7,879
DVD 15,513 +3,590
= 56,354
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Old 2009-10-18, 21:37   Link #91
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Hmm, i think that DVD/BD vol 2 and vol 6 can reach that number too.

Vol 2, it's obvious. Senjougahara fascination start from eps 5.
Vol 6, well, it's webcast and people will buy DVD/BD to watch the high quality video.
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Old 2009-10-19, 05:59   Link #92
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Hmm, i think that DVD/BD vol 2 and vol 6 can reach that number too.

Vol 2, it's obvious. Senjougahara fascination start from eps 5.
Vol 6, well, it's webcast and people will buy DVD/BD to watch the high quality video.
Count vol 5 too, it has the best episode and one webcast episode.
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Old 2009-10-19, 06:09   Link #93
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Count vol 5 too, it has the best episode and one webcast episode.
And then there is vol 4 where people is probably going to buy just to see the missing stuff. And I guess for Nadeko's opening too...... and Nadeko's loli body in HD I guess.
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Old 2009-10-19, 06:53   Link #94
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I vouch all the DVDs are gonna have good sales
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Old 2009-10-20, 20:28   Link #95
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Third week (approximate). Source is Mainichi Shimbun and Impress. Last week's DVD is below 30th place in overall rank, so no actual sales yet.

BD  29,372 +7,879 +2,564
DVD 15,513 +3,590 +1,367~1,696
= 60,285~60,614

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Old 2009-10-21, 05:31   Link #96
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Another comparison vid of TV and BD
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Old 2009-10-24, 00:08   Link #97
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I guess this is both good news and bad news...Amazon Japan has informed me that their initial shipment of the Bake 2 BDs is insufficient to fulfill my order. The good news is that it's selling well, but I won't get mine until Oct. 30th at the earliest.
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Old 2009-10-24, 00:29   Link #98
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Oh, you mean Hitagi Crab's arc? Mayoi Snail is coming out soon too...
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Old 2009-10-24, 00:36   Link #99
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Oh, you mean Hitagi Crab's arc? Mayoi Snail is coming out soon too...
My Hitagi Crab disc just came, but they didn't have enough discs from their initial shipment of Mayoi MaiMai so mine has been delayed a couple of days.

On another note, the case for Hitagi Crab is pretty nice.
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You mean the art?
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