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Old 2009-10-25, 18:12   Link #4481
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Before everyone tries to kill the messenger that is FOX news:


According to PEJ statistics, Fox had the most balanced coverage of the past election. Now, PEJ (which general reflects the left leaning media itself) asserted in its comments that Fox was a right wing counter to left wingMSNBC and CNN was in the middle. But... that's only if you assume that the normal, "unbiased" coverage of the campaign should have been more negative to McCain as a matter of course. Look at the total media numbers on the bottom to see how "balanced" the coverage was not. CNNs numbers are close to the TOTAL COVERAGE. Actually, so are MSNBCs where McCain is concerned. Hell, Fox was even tilted a bit more towards Obama Smiley

http://www.journalism.org/node/13436#fn1

(FOXNEWS)
Positive Obama Stories 25%
Positive McCain Stories 22%
Negative Obama Stories 40%
Negative McCain Stories 40%

(MSNBC)
Positive Obama Stories 73%
Positive McCain Stories 10%
Negative Obama Stories 14%
Negative McCain Stories 43%

TOTAL COVERAGE (all media added together - 2,412 stories from 48 outlets)
Positive Obama Stories 36%
Positive McCain Stories 14%
Negative Obama Stories 29%
Negative McCain Stories 57%
That doesn't make their content anymore credible. Actually it doesn't prove anything. What if there simply was more positive stuff about Obama to report. Then Foxnews really spin mastered a truce in coverage where there is none.

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I shouldn't waste my time answering.
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Old 2009-10-25, 18:19   Link #4482
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Yes. Artificially 'balancing' two sides by treating both as equal at all times is not genuine balance; it's crude imbalance. It's known as the Golden Mean Fallacy.

The fact that Fox's stories split exactly evenly doesn't show that they're honest. It shows that they desperately, desperately want to appear honest; but a genuinely honest news organization will report what is happening, regardless of whether it's lopsided or if it makes one side look bad.
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Old 2009-10-25, 18:26   Link #4483
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Admittedly, while content of individual reports is unknown (for instance, how many times did Fox or CNN or MSNBC mention the so-called "Wright" conspiracy, etc), it is also unclear how comparing a pre-election news cycle to a post-election news cycle is supposed to glean any relevant information (additionally, the study does not what programs were being polled - are we looking at the numbers for the regular news shows, or the editorial based shows?). For example, Fox may have disliked Obama and McCain equally, but once McCain left the field of attention, all that would be left to focus on would be Obama.

In the end, pre-election coverage is almost unimportant to the current "dilemma".
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Old 2009-10-25, 18:26   Link #4484
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Yes. Artificially 'balancing' two sides by treating both as equal at all times is not genuine balance; it's crude imbalance. It's known as the Golden Mean Fallacy.

The fact that Fox's stories split exactly evenly doesn't show that they're honest. It shows that they desperately, desperately want to appear honest; but a genuinely honest news organization will report what is happening, regardless of whether it's lopsided or if it makes one side look bad.
Where are your facts, Or does your world view makes facts a nuisance?
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Old 2009-10-25, 18:33   Link #4485
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Where are your facts, Or does your world view makes facts a nuisance?
That's not quite accurate. It is unknown just how negative or positive the stories in question were. Specifically, for all we know there could have been a Fox story detailing how Obama wants to set-up concentration camps for white people (or MSNBC could have had a story where Obama is able to heal the sick just by speaking). So, what happens when the negative (and positive) are too skewed? How could either be considered legitimate journalism? Consequently, despite the labels of 'psoitive' and 'negative', without knowing the content being labeled, we cannot actually make a sufficient judgement of the bias.
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Old 2009-10-25, 18:37   Link #4486
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You make a fuss about that stupid channel. Thats unbelievable. You are exactly what they want, a brainwashed, distracted by red herrings tool of the biggest lobbies in the US.
I'm chronicling exactly what happened.

Like I said, how dare Chris Wallace fact-checked Anita Dunn?! Because of that the penalty for Wallace is defamation of his employers, an assault on the advertisers and denigration of a network that actually does make an effort at putting up both sides of a political story! and never an entire major network in the United States of America, and never did they call a major network "the enemy", "the opposition", or "a wing of the opposition party!"

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Old 2009-10-25, 19:02   Link #4487
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That's not quite accurate. It is unknown just how negative or positive the stories in question were. Specifically, for all we know there could have been a Fox story detailing how Obama wants to set-up concentration camps for white people (or MSNBC could have had a story where Obama is able to heal the sick just by speaking). So, what happens when the negative (and positive) are too skewed? How could either be considered legitimate journalism? Consequently, despite the labels of 'psoitive' and 'negative', without knowing the content being labeled, we cannot actually make a sufficient judgement of the bias.
Are you positive?

Although it is unknown just how negative or positive the stories in question were, there are known knowns and known unknowns, and possibly some unknown knowns, and one cannot be positive how many known negatives and unknown positives there are, that's for sure.
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Old 2009-10-25, 22:22   Link #4488
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Al-Qaeda. Diverting attention and resources, especially intelligence and counter-insurgency from Pakistan and a few other places in the ME while they relocate. The Pakistani offensive must have really hit a spot that really hurts them.

IMO, they can buy themselves more time to hide if they attack Israel through Palestine. Breaking the Peace accord, then pissing off the Mossad to join the offensive can start another quarrel between the rest of ME and Israel. This buys them enough time to shift their stuff.
So far - and at least on the U.S. news side - no official word on who has or has not claimed responsibility on the attack (and the now 147 deaths). Al-Qaeda... I don't think so - at least not directly. Most likely, it's by people who had been in power (or in a good position on top of everyone else), but have now been dropped to the level of "commoners". By attacking the new government and esp. with the U.S. still committed to leaving, it can weaken the government and make the people wish for a return to the "bad old days" where at least you have a Strong Man in charge.

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Oct. 25 (Bloomberg) -- Lawmakers in Kuwait, which is richer per capita than Germany, are demanding a government bailout of all consumer loans, reviving a power struggle that’s already shut down the assembly twice in 18 months.

At least half of the 50 elected lawmakers say they’ll back a plan for the government to buy all 6 billion dinars ($21 billion) of bank loans taken by Kuwaiti citizens to buy homes, cars, holidays and other purchases, write off interest payments and reschedule the rest. The government opposes the bailout. Parliament convenes on Oct. 27 after a four-month break.
In many ways and if the government can actually afford it, a bailout of every citizen is better than just bailing out a subset of people. OTOH, it is expensive, and the money can be used to improve infrastructure, education and etc. The quote “It’s my right as a citizen to enjoy the wealth and resources of my country,” said Essa al-Malki, a 32-year-old teacher of philosophy and psychology, who took out a 15-year 23,000 dinar loan in 2000 and supports the plan. is funny, though.

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And why is Okinawa responsible for hosting an American military base and dishing out the sympathy budget for the sake of a Chinese rogue province? More over, if Taiwan needs the protection so badly, the Okinawan military facility should be relocated over to Taiwan where their people can experience noise pollution and also enjoy dishing out the sympathy budget as this is entirely irrelevant to Okinawa and the Okinawans.
Just out of curiosity, how much do you know of the situations between (1) China and Taiwan and (2) the U.S. and Okinawa/Japan?

The situation between China and Taiwan will likely end within 20 years or so, IMHO - barring any major catastrophes. I don't see much of a chance of Taiwan returning quietly as a province, esp. given that it has been on its own for so long (with local Strong Men benefiting), but more likely as a SAR... It'll take a good negotiator or three to save people's face and to protect the entrenched's interests, but it shouldn't be a huge problem for the U.S. if it can control the situation and let it drag on. After thinking about it, having a U.S. base in Taiwan isn't in the U.S.'s interests, esp. if Taiwan does go back to China. Aside from the tech and knowledge transfers, it's too visible a threat to China's sovereignty.

For the Okinawan voters, it's not likely to be 100% of the eligible voters making the decisions - just the most vocal ones - but if the U.S. does not agree and the central government in Tokyo does not allow the move, these voters will continue to put people into office till they get what they want. Much better to part on a good note and save your "good will" chit for later.

The noise can be handled or controlled, and the number of crimes, while increasing, is not as bad as elsewhere. The problem here might well be the suspects, if they are U.S. servicemen, are under U.S. jurisdiction, and not Japan's. That is not a good situation to maintain a good relationship with a host country.

I do wonder if the Okinawans actually have thought about what will happen if the bases do leave, though. In terms of the local economy in Okinawa, if I'm not mistaken, it's now primarily driven by the military bases whereas in the past (before they were built after WWII), it was in agriculture. A lot of people will lose their jobs, and the economy will crash. Will Tokyo help? Honestly, I doubt the central government will or can do much, but let the people reap what they have sown.

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The problem is not that the American soldiers are doing bad things over there; in fact, that is the action of the minority but instead.. It is the sight of American soldiers that people greatly despised. You can almost compare this to the sight of Muslims on American soil or Americans in the Middle East. Regardless of what they try to do now, most people do hope that they relocate their military base over to Guam where everyone will be happy aside from the American government who needs to back down on that firm stance of imperialism along with dishing out fundings.
In all honesty, it does not matter one bit whether it is the majority or the minority who is committing the crimes. What matters are (1) what the Okinawan people believe and (2) what actions have been taken to maintain the relationship between the bases and the Japanese citizens. I don't think you can lump all Okinawans into 1 group and say that the entire group hates or dislikes the servicemen, but definitely and IMHO, having Japan not given jurisdiction over U.S. suspects immediately is a problem.

And how are you concluding that the soldiers are being despised?

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This is totally irrelevant as that the United States do realize that Japan would not sell their treasury debt just to mess with their economy as that it is shared. If the American economy takes a toll, the Japanese economy will go down it. However, if China pulls it off, they don't seem to care much which is where the problem exists. This prevents the United States from moving their base over to Taiwan like they claim. However.. What does this have anything to do with Guam!?
You mentioned Treasury debt... Who is "they", though?

For Guam, the chances of the U.S. leaving Okinawa at the moment, fairly low, IMHO. It's too far away to actually project a decent amount of force into the region in order to contain countries like China and Russia from exerting too much influence militarily. If it comes down to it, Guam is too easily bypassed once bases in South Korea and Alaska are dealt with. Guam is 2730 km away from Taipei, 2500 km away from Tokyo and 3000 km from South Korea and China. Okinawa, OTOH, is less than 1000 km from China, Taiwan and South Korea.
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Old 2009-10-26, 02:48   Link #4489
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Are you positive?

Although it is unknown just how negative or positive the stories in question were, there are known knowns and known unknowns, and possibly some unknown knowns, and one cannot be positive how many known negatives and unknown positives there are, that's for sure.
Rumsfeld? Is that you?

Anyway, I'll just say that 30 minutes of calling Obama a secret muslim who wasn't born in this country isn't quite the same as 30 minutes of calling McCain a grumpy old man, yet both are "negative" and both were reported. Content is probably even more important than time spent on it. Also if you ever watched MSNBC you'd see that about half of their coverage of anything is saying how Fox News is wrong.
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Old 2009-10-26, 07:52   Link #4490
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Noriko Sakai pleads guilty to drug use
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Tokyo (Oct 26): Japanese pop star Noriko Sakai pleaded guilty today to illegal drugs charges and prosecutors demanded 18 months' jail in a trial that has sparked intense public interest and frenzied media coverage.

More than 6,600 people lined up for just 20 visitors' seats in the Tokyo District Court — second only to the crowds drawn by the 1996 trial of the doomsday cult leader behind the deadly Tokyo subway sarin gas attacks.

Sakai, 38, is a former teenage pop idol turned actress, known in the 1990s for her innocent girl-next-door image and later for her perfect mum persona, whose fame extends to China, Taiwan and South Korea.

She turned herself in to police on Aug 8 after a dramatic week on the run following the arrest of her 41-year-old surfer-husband, Yuichi Takaso. He was taken into custody after the authorities caught him with drugs, reportedly methamphetamines, in Tokyo's Shibuya entertainment district.

Sakai told the court she started using drugs about four years ago, encouraged by Takaso, and had used them almost every month since summer last year.

- AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
It's hard to describe how shocking this development is unless you're a fellow fan of J-drama during the 1990s. Noriko Sakai was the Japanese pin-up girl during my time in national service in the early 1990s (before Ryoko Hirosue made it big in the regional smash hit Beach Boys). Sakai was one of those quintessential "good girls" you'd love to bring home to see your parents.

And, the media being what it is, Sakai's past is now surfacing in the wake of the scandal. It turns out that she is the daughter of a former yakuza boss. In fact, her childhood days are the stuff of gripping drama:

Noriko Sakai's yakuza upbringing in spotlight
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Tokyo (Sept 9): Singer-actress Noriko Sakai, recently arrested on charges of drug use, certainly came from an unusual family background. Her only sibling, half-brother Takeshi Sakai, sent a letter to Shukan Post shedding light on their childhood in the yakuza world. Takeshi is currently incarcerated at Fukuoka Jail, pending trial in September for drug use. Ironically, he, too, was arrested in July, shortly before his sister.

It is a well-known fact that their late father, Mineki Sakai, was a gang boss of a local crime syndicate in Fukuoka, where the siblings grew up. While Noriko was the daughter of Mineki's first wife and Takeshi, eight years her junior, was born to his second wife, they had a close half-sister/brother relationship.

The 30-year old Takeshi admits he was a one-time yakuza member and has a criminal record. After his half-sister became a popular TV idol, he kept his distance from her, declining invitations to events she was participating in. "I didn’t tell people that she was my sister, and I didn't want to be a nuisance to her... As long as I knew she was doing well, I was happy," he writes.

An individual who knew the family well acknowledges that the sister and brother were indeed very close, and their bond had much to do with the circumstances they were living under. As gang boss, their father was often absent in the evenings, and younger yakuza members were constantly at their home, which was in the same building as the gang office. There was even a large-scale police search of their home and the gang office when Noriko had just entered elementary school.

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Old 2009-10-26, 10:31   Link #4491
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Noriko Sakai pleads guilty to drug use


It's hard to describe how shocking this development is unless you're a fellow fan of J-drama during the 1990s. Noriko Sakai was the Japanese pin-up girl during my time in national service in the early 1990s (before Ryoko Hirosue made it big in the regional smash hit Beach Boys). Sakai was one of those quintessential "good girls" you'd love to bring home to see your parents.

And, the media being what it is, Sakai's past is now surfacing in the wake of the scandal. It turns out that she is the daughter of a former yakuza boss. In fact, her childhood days are the stuff of gripping drama:

Noriko Sakai's yakuza upbringing in spotlight
Considering how the Yakuza had a hand in almost every industry in Japan, it is not surprising that such a member of the media industry is so closely related to the underworld.

I won't crack the "of course her father slept with the best whores" comment with due respect to her status as a pin up girl in the past, but she should know that taking drugs can be detrimental to both her career and her looks.
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following the arrest of her 41-year-old surfer-husband, Yuichi Takaso. He was taken into custody after the authorities caught him with drugs, reportedly methamphetamines, in Tokyo's Shibuya entertainment district.

Sakai told the court she started using drugs about four years ago, encouraged by Takaso,
i always wonder why so many Female Stars end up marrying loser husbands?
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Hatoyama delivers 1st Diet speech, pledges to deepen ties with U.S.

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On other diplomatic issues, Hatoyama pledged to continue promoting the idea of forming an ''East Asian community'' for close regional cooperation in such areas as the economy, trade and the environment, and deal with the reconstruction of Afghanistan and Pakistan as ''the most critical issues'' facing the international community.
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The international group that regulates the Internet says it is likely to authorize the use of script from languages such as Arabic, Korean and Japanese for an entire Internet address for the first time.
Afghan President, Main Rival Reject Power Sharing

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Afghanistan's president and his main electoral challenger say the country's political future should be decided at the ballot box, not through the formation of a coalition government. But President Hamid Karzai's primary political rival continues to express concern over electoral fraud that plagued the country's first round of voting in August.
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Old 2009-10-26, 15:05   Link #4494
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Noriko Sakai pleads guilty to drug use


It's hard to describe how shocking this development is unless you're a fellow fan of J-drama during the 1990s. Noriko Sakai was the Japanese pin-up girl during my time in national service in the early 1990s (before Ryoko Hirosue made it big in the regional smash hit Beach Boys). Sakai was one of those quintessential "good girls" you'd love to bring home to see your parents.

And, the media being what it is, Sakai's past is now surfacing in the wake of the scandal. It turns out that she is the daughter of a former yakuza boss. In fact, her childhood days are the stuff of gripping drama:

Noriko Sakai's yakuza upbringing in spotlight
Well, with revelations like those, if she ends up in jail, she can write her auto-biography or something. I wonder if she'll get a movie deal?
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Old 2009-10-27, 09:31   Link #4495
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Well, with revelations like those, if she ends up in jail, she can write her auto-biography or something. I wonder if she'll get a movie deal?
With this being Japan, I rather doubt that Sakai-san will get the same kind of treatment that a Western star turned criminal could expect. When Tsuyoshi Kusanagi-san (SMAP) was arrested for drunken disorderly conduct, his sponsors stopped airing those ads with him in them immediately; I'm only now seeing Softbank TV ads, but with the full band.

The prosecutor is looking to have her serve 18 months for the crime while her husband (soon to be ex, it seems) may get 2 years.
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Rumsfeld? Is that you?
Heh, that's the very first person I thought of.....
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The phone taps record Mr Karadzic saying: "They have to know that there are 20,000 armed Serbs around Sarajevo.... it will be a black cauldron where 300,000 Muslims will die. They will disappear. That people will disappear from the face of the earth."

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As he said in October 1991 in anticipation of what he had planned: 'Europe will be told to go f*** itself, and not to come back until the job is finished'."
the man who mastermind the biggest mass murder since WWII is finally on trial but when is the incompetence of the UN during the Bosnia War going to be held accountable?

the World Court also need to take a page form the Nuremberg Trials and sentence some of these guys to hang.
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Sunao Tsuboi, an 84-year-old who survived the Hiroshima bombing despite severe burns, is part of a growing chorus of survivors, student groups and newspaper editorials urging Obama to come.

"Obama has a vision for humanity. ... We want to show him our support," said Tsuboi, who has campaigned for the elimination of nuclear weapons and is co-chair of a nationwide organization for atomic bomb survivors.

"I'm a victim, and I've overcome," he said. "We want to join with President Obama to create a peaceful world."

Obama has not suggested he would make a visit, but stoked Japanese hopes with an April speech in Prague calling for a world free of nuclear weapons. Winning the Nobel Peace Prize earlier this month further heightened expectations.

"Many of the past Nobel Peace laureates have visited ground zero," the Hiroshima-based Chugoku newspaper said in an editorial. "We urge him to go and see the place himself and renew his commitment to a nuclear-free world."
Considering that all Obama has to do is go and pray at a Peace Memorial, I really don't understand why the guy refuses.

Defense chief hints at accepting Futemma relocation in Okinawa

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Kitazawa was chided by his fellow Cabinet members later in the day over his remarks, exposing disarray within the new government.

Foreign Minister Katsuya Okada, who personally advocates transferring the Futemma base to the nearby U.S. Kadena Air Base in Okinawa, said Kitazawa's claim is ''almost illogical'' because the DPJ called for changing the bilateral pact that had already been agreed upon.
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Okinawa Gov. Hirokazu Nakaima criticized Kitazawa for making a judgment on the Futemma relocation ''so quickly, without serious considerations.'' He urged Cabinet ministers to squarely address the issue for a considerable time.
A little pressure from the United States and the Defense Chief decides to back down instantly. Quite unbelievable.. Speaking of which, Kitazawa's claim is totally illogical.

Former US President George W Bush Debuts as Motivational Speaker

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Mr. Bush, who experienced wild swings in approval ratings during his two presidential terms, told the crowd that popularity is fleeting and "not real." He encouraged them to stick by their principles, noting he stands by the decisions he made while in office.
I wonder if Bush meant the popularity of the Obama Administration. Right during its launch time, the Obama Administration enjoyed a high approval rate in the 70% or 80% range but it went downhill after a variety of issues.
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I've seen/read lots of reports about Mountain Dew addiction (Diane Sawyer's report on it comes to mind), yet none on other soda/pop.
The hell does Mountain Dew have that other soda's don't?!
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