Kenpufer (Kampfer) Manga

[Adr 00]

The problem i see is that we are seeing too much of Shizuku focus lately.Would it hurt to find out Akane's previous six months of being a Kampfer prior to this?Mikoto, sadly, yeah i know, but we need more of her as well.


Then again, yeah.Its a sad fact that Shizuku fans have to put up with.She can win battles easily, but she would lose the war.True Love is never born from sexual seduction.
She needs to understand that in love, it is about giving and taking.And that she's taking far too much to give any chance for Natsuru to like her.

Guess sooner or later the trope of Unlucky Childhood Friend will appear in Kampfer's article.Isn't it sad, Mikoto?

[ZeKeR]

Originally Posted by Mentar

Adr_00: I don't think that Shizuku is really overpowered here - yes, she has the brightest head, and yes, she has the strongest fighting skills, and yes, she has the most experience, respect and worldly power at her disposal... but at the same time, she has by far the biggest handicap to overcome: Natsuru's thickness, the fact that she's technically an enemy (Mikoto is his osananajimi and thus doesn't count) and the fact that Natsuru doesn't trust her. Even worse:

One of Shizuku's intrinsic traits is her "I won't lose" drive, combined with her urge for playful teasing and messing with people. It will win her dozens of battles with Natsuru and the girls, but at the same time it's going to lose her the war. Anime episode 8 gives a perfect example: Technically, one could say that she came out "on top": She got Natsuru to call her Shizuku, made him buy her a present, and she stole a kiss from him without him realizing. But at home, Natsuru is livid about the fact that Shizuku "lied" to Mikoto about the day being a date. In other words, seen from the "I want to get Natsuru to love me" perspective, it was a huge failure.

So, this is Shizuku's big dilemma: Unless the fundamental dynamics change significantly, she will have to lose more to have a chance to "win" Natsuru. Her strengths actually weaken her position. And this is a pretty interesting setup which the Author managed to come up with.

This will be the part i have to agree even more....
But the big stick here is:

she's an undeniably a fox (very VERY sly, cunning and manipulative, though indirectly) and that can make her win the kampfer wars... but she has NO foothold in the natsuru wars... the other two, Akane and Mikoto, have already made an impact on him that he cant fail to notice... Akane herself uses her status as his combat protegee (partner) to try and take him but also attempting busting his thickness (density). Mikoto on the other hand has a greater foothold. Since she is his childhood friend, she was SUPPOSED to have a chance to get him, but thanks to Natsuru's 'blind love' mode and density to their feelings, she also has to try and break that wall....


Shizuku is more in the passive-active zone... She just observes a bit and then moves, not caring if it harms the two girls, her beloved(?) Natsuru and her rep in school... playful teasing and messing is one of her downfalls when it comes to Natsuru, since he HATES that attitude in her, but also saves him and the group from being naded early in the game

If Natsuru will train and gain experience, Im sure that he can surpass Shizuku when it comes to combat...

BtW... I wanna hear normal Akane say -desu to Natsuru... I also wonder if in the anime we will see Natsuru being introduced to Akane's and Shizuku's (i dont think she's planning) parents....

[Adr 00]

Originally Posted by ZeKeR

If Natsuru will train and gain experience, Im sure that he can surpass Shizuku when it comes to combat...

Hmm this is the hard part.When you have the power to control an element, you must have a fundamental understanding of its nature.Natsuru has to understand this to get better moves.

Even the mere hand movements and poses also is affected by this.I can deduce an electric Zauber would have different hand movements and poses from a fire Zauber.

[Arturro]

Aren't you (most of posters here) a little bit too critical towards Natsuru? As Charkan said already, his situation might look funny for us, or girls around him, but from his point of view is a never ending nightmare.

Yes, he is dense and insensitive, yes, he is fixated on Sakura, and a little pervert.

He loves one girl from the start, he is well aware that she doesn't love him, that she is an evil person, but he still loves her, and he wants to save her from herself. This is love.
Natsuru has perverted thoughts, but it's really normal for a teenager boy. Most of posters here were a teenagers not so long ago, or still are. Admit, you were/are horny 20 times a day, sometimes without any reason He easily could take advantage over any girl in his harem, but he didn't. He is insensitive, but he isn't a bastard.
Have any of you been pursued by someone against yours will? It's a very uncomfortable situation, even if that person is a cute/handsome and sweet girl/boy. Unless you're a real bastard just wanting to sexually use such person, such unwanted lover is real pain in the ass. And if such person is willingly destroying you love life, it's only natural to start to hate such person.

[Adr 00]

After reading Charkan's post i understood,silly.Some things have to said to be understood.I'm sure some of the fans never thought of how it was like from Natsuru's perspective at the first thought.

I could not understand Natsuru's viewpoint on why he was like that until it was explained.

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by ZeKeR

Shizuku is more in the passive-active zone... She just observes a bit and then moves, not caring if it harms the two girls, her beloved(?) Natsuru and her rep in school... playful teasing and messing is one of her downfalls when it comes to Natsuru, since he HATES that attitude in her, but also saves him and the group from being naded early in the game

I haven't seen any action of Shizuku which has really harmed Natsuru since their truce above prank-level. And I doubt that she cares much about her rep in school, she doesn't have to.

What she does is to actively pretend that Natsuru and her are a couple, and that she excuses his "extramarital" (lol) activities, even though she naturally knows that he doesn't see it like that. And by playing to this spiel, she's messing with Natsuru and the other girls. But that's the end of it. It's not like she's actively scheming to wreck any other girl's activities with Natsuru (contrary to Akane, for example).

Her universal selling point is that she's essentially the key player in the Natsuru wars. While the rest of the girls bicker about who gets to be with Natsuru, she doesn't lose track of the main agenda - which is obviously why she's singled out and targeted by Inner Sakura. And before the other girls don't grow up and actively contribute to that, I can't see how the show could develop _without_ having Shizuku in a slightly special role.

[Adr 00]

True.The girls let their hearts rule over their heads.

But this is just part of the story's problem.
The pacing is simply too lax.Last i checked, Kampfer was not a mystery story.It better have good reasons for holding up all the juicy facts and story up.

What we still dont know that's needed.

Where are all the other Kampfers?A battle royale needs to have a decent amount of contenders before it becomes a war.Right now, we are having skimishes.
How does a Kampfer get defeated?
What is this other world?
What are the Animal Entrail Dolls souls?
What happened to Kuzuhara?
When will Natsuru wisen up and get a reason to fight?
Why only High School girls?(Shizuku could not get an answer ether)

[Mentar]

I think the story is fine - it keeps a nice balance of backstory suspense, but it definitely centers around the harem antics first and foremost. Which is perfectly fine with me, by the way. If they're about to switch the story to the Kämpfer Wars, I don't see how another Mai HiME end run could be averted - and while I wouldn't mind seeing the story go this direction eventually (in Mai HiME, the end run was the essence of win and awesome), I don't mind the current antics either

[ZeKeR]

Originally Posted by Adr 00

True.The girls let their hearts rule over their heads.

But this is just part of the story's problem.
The pacing is simply too lax.Last i checked, Kampfer was not a mystery story.It better have good reasons for holding up all the juicy facts and story up.

What we still dont know that's needed.

Where are all the other Kampfers?A battle royale needs to have a decent amount of contenders before it becomes a war.Right now, we are having skimishes.
How does a Kampfer get defeated?
What is this other world?
What are the Animal Entrail Dolls souls?
What happened to Kuzuhara?
When will Natsuru wisen up and get a reason to fight?
Why only High School girls?(Shizuku could not get an answer ether)

I think i have a few answers myself....

Like i said... This is the calm before the storm and the when the war strikes, they will be in the maelstrom of it...

>the other kampfers are probably having their own skirmishes somewhere in the world (and probably in japan). its like recon teams are sent to observe, THEN the main force will follow....

>a kampfer is naded when another kampfer finishes you off with her weapon and they just 'disappear', like they never even existed...

>the other world is maybe another 'earth' where the women are soldiers coz the men might have exhausted their own gender in the never ending war and were left with incapacitated but powerful men while the girls fight...

>i think the souls inside the dolls are made from their world, not from souls of defeated kampfer candidates...

>i really REALLY dont want to know what shizuku did to that girl...

>if Natsuru will stop 'Maximum tolerance' protocol, deactivate 'WUSS mode' and nade off the whites to forge a red-blue coalition against the mods and the higher-ups (since the mods were created by them to supervise the war)...

>Since young people are more versatile than the adult in the physical prime, they should have still the stamina and strength to endure the attacks...

well thats all i can say

[Adr 00]

Originally Posted by Mentar

I think the story is fine - it keeps a nice balance of backstory suspense, but it definitely centers around the harem antics first and foremost. Which is perfectly fine with me, by the way. If they're about to switch the story to the Kämpfer Wars, I don't see how another Mai HiME end run could be averted - and while I wouldn't mind seeing the story go this direction eventually (in Mai HiME, the end run was the essence of win and awesome), I don't mind the current antics either

I admit that the suspense is nice, but i think the lighter bits have to shafted aside first, at least establish some hard facts on the story..

hey, who said you cant have light moments even in a dark and dangerous time in a Battle Royale?
Fate/Stay night,UBW, Shirou went on a date with Rin for a entire day.


http://ani-nouto.animeblogger.net/ca...ampfer/page/2/

seems the guys here do talk about the power levels at well.

I really pity Akane now.Cmon, Akane, you cant be this weak for no good reason.

Ah speaking of which, since Akane has been a Kampfer for half a year,does that mean...............
Shizuku might have a year at least.

This is getting bizarre.Battle Royales/There can only be one tropes usually only last no less than a year!

Dont tell me the Kampfer Wars have lasted for more than a year!?

[stix]

Chapter 15 of the Manga in English is up on MH now.

I'm really wrestling with the idea of calling it "erased" from the world. The actual translation of the word they use is "annihilated." (shoumetsu)

But given the way they describe it, I think I'll stick with erased.

[Adr 00]

so where did the explode into candy idea come from?
anyway thanks for the scans.

I'm a little bored of this story for a while,no clear direction what will happen next.Tired of guessing where this will go next.