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Old 2009-11-22, 21:59   Link #1381
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Man, how dense can he get? Is he trying to be just loyal to Kaede? Well, Shizuku always show a poker face so you can't tell if she was being serious or not so I can understand that part. But it has some hints that she really is making her move on Natsuru which the latter one is just waay too stupid to notice. Hm, Shizuku seems to enjoyed the time too and the fact that she got the entire day of him with no interruptions....except the part with Mikoto. Is she now ahead of the game?

-> On a side note, Harikiri Tiger struggling to climb on the trash can was funny. He should be used to that by now no?
I'm not sure if she's ahead since Natsuru really doesn't get what Shizuru is thinking and doesn't seem to consider her in that way right now. First thing she needs to do is get out the image of someone that's just plotting and manipulating Natsuru out of Natsuru's mind. If he thinks she is plotting something her efforts will never be really appreciated.

Sakura's ahead through no effort of her own. If she just liked Natsuru's male side it'd be over. If she finds out her reaction could get her an instant win. Akane is probably in second being Natsuru's "partner" and having her little head squeeze into his Sakura filled mind. An important lesson, Akane shoots when happy and shoots when she is angry. In the end you better make sure your house is bulletproof .

But yeah Natsuru is truly a dense person. All these girls after him and he doesn't have a clue.
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Old 2009-11-22, 23:03   Link #1382
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I wish i could adequately explain my frustration with Natsuru during episode 8. I can understand being suspicious at first given Shizuku's previous record but after a while it got downright irritating. The i remembered as a male lead being this thick headed is a norm. I wish i could say that no one on the face of the planet can be this oblivious but apparently i was wrong.

It was quite clever of Shizuku to strike first and by that i mean the date. So far none of the other girls have come forward and managed to pull off alone time with Natsuru but Shizuku did. I enjoyed the date scenes because we get to see her open up and learn a little bit more about what makes her tick. Shizuku is more complicated than the rest of the girls and thats one of the reasons why i like her. Despite the rude comments Natsuru made during their date. We have a chance to see that she herself has acknowledged the feelings she has developed for him. It started as a mere way to keep an eye on a potential threat but just like everything relationships and feelings change over time. Shizuku is a constant thinker and yes crafty but that doesn't make her any less of woman.The problem is Natsuru doesn't see her as a woman not yet at least.

In the end i got a double pleasure from seeing Natsuru get the infamous falcon punch. But though a little motivational speech we got to hear him call Shizuku by her name with honorific's.

I was actually happy there was no Sakura this time around though i would love to see burnt alive lion again lol.
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Old 2009-11-22, 23:08   Link #1383
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He is so dense that a bullet will bounce off his head.
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Old 2009-11-22, 23:16   Link #1384
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Oh mAi GawD.

What the hell natsuru. Seriously, the dumb dense idiot is seriously pissing me off...is there anyone in this world who can be as thick-skulled as he is?

This episode, along with bits and pieces from previous episodes, really made me change my opinion about Shizuku. Definitely like her the best out of all the girls, though Shizuku deserves someone much better than this idiot Natsuru.
Well, I could completely understand Natsuru's denseness or even his frustration at Shizuku, it's not like she gave him a good impression either (first: attack in library, kidnap Kaede, manipulate authorities to do things her way, stole his first kiss)

Natsuru's belief of Shizuku MUST have a hidden motive behind every move is understandable even if it is faint. And why would he suspect that Kaichou has possible feelings for him. Like he said, "There's no boy that could ever be your boyfriend." (as they won't survive anyways)

So I guess I am the only one that didn't flame the poor guy.
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Old 2009-11-22, 23:16   Link #1385
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He is so dense that a bullet will bounce off his head.
akane could just very well shoot him, if her date doesn't go off as planned

anyways, let's all just beat up natsuru and steal his harem. all the girls would end off better
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Old 2009-11-23, 00:51   Link #1386
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Watched episode 8 and felt it's probably the weakest episode of the first 8. The date seemingly dragged on and on, and the lack of Kämpfer Natsuru hurt the episode for me.

While it seemed a little frustrating to see male Natsuru act the way he did during the date, I can sort of understand the way he's thinking. His mind is already Kaede-locked, so the other girls are given different relationships to him. While Kaede is the potential girlfriend in his mind, he thinks of Shizuku simply as the student council president, Mikoto simply as the childhood friend, and Akane simply as a friend and partner. I highly doubt he's felt that anyone's been interested in him before, so why would he think so now? If one of the idols of the girl side asked me out on a date, I would be a little skeptical myself (though I would had a whole lot more fun with Shizuku than Natsuru did). I will admit that Natsuru is very dense and that he should have figured that Shizuku would not try to draw the White Kämpfers in broad daylight in public, but I can see where Natsuru's thoughts are coming from.

New rankings for the girls after episode 8. A new #1 this week.
5. Mikoto
4. Kaede
3. Akane
2. Natsuru
1. Shizuku
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Old 2009-11-23, 01:12   Link #1387
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Everything she did on the date is also consistent with her trying to make him uncomfortable, which he also thinks is one of her goals in general. And it probably is.
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Old 2009-11-23, 02:30   Link #1388
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Everything she did on the date is also consistent with her trying to make him uncomfortable, which he also thinks is one of her goals in general. And it probably is.
Oh come on. Why would it be her goal to make him uncomfortable? She's putting in alot of effort to go on a date with him. Also, it should be uncontested that she wants to be with him - at the end of the last episode she realized that she was feeling jealousy over him. The only things she made him do were date-related stuff like linking arms or buying her a little present. She didn't even get angry at him when he fell asleep while she was revealing important and partly painful personal stuff about herself.

While Natsuru himself has at least the excuse that he can't be sure about her motives, this excuse does not extend to us, the omniscient viewers. Let's not try to outdo Natsuru in thickness, folks ^_^;
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Old 2009-11-23, 02:37   Link #1389
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I still dont like this adaptation decay.

Even some of the funny and great and story moments are cut out.Even the Shizuku breast grope during the massage was more reasonable to happen in source material.

And they cut out a great Kampfer Akane moment.

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Old 2009-11-23, 03:12   Link #1390
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Watched episode 8 and felt it's probably the weakest episode of the first 8. The date seemingly dragged on and on, and the lack of Kämpfer Natsuru hurt the episode for me.

While it seemed a little frustrating to see male Natsuru act the way he did during the date, I can sort of understand the way he's thinking. His mind is already Kaede-locked, so the other girls are given different relationships to him. While Kaede is the potential girlfriend in his mind, he thinks of Shizuku simply as the student council president, Mikoto simply as the childhood friend, and Akane simply as a friend and partner. I highly doubt he's felt that anyone's been interested in him before, so why would he think so now? If one of the idols of the girl side asked me out on a date, I would be a little skeptical myself (though I would had a whole lot more fun with Shizuku than Natsuru did). I will admit that Natsuru is very dense and that he should have figured that Shizuku would not try to draw the White Kämpfers in broad daylight in public, but I can see where Natsuru's thoughts are coming from.

New rankings for the girls after episode 8. A new #1 this week.
5. Mikoto
4. Kaede
3. Akane
2. Natsuru
1. Shizuku
Good points all-around.

Perhaps one of Natsuru's coping mechanisms for his gender-bent situation is to neatly classify everybody close to him, and to not even think twice about it. This allows him to focus more intensely on the Kampfer situation in general (which he clearly is very intensely focused on given how much thought he's giving to those white kampfers ).

Basically, I don't think that he's emotionally ready to deal with somebody liking him right now... unless it's Kaede, since he's had an infatuation for her before the Kampfer situation even came to the fore.


Basically, he's purposely (perhaps at a subconscious level) putting binders up around his eyes and not letting anything that doesn't go with his classifications get through.


Just an idea.
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Old 2009-11-23, 03:25   Link #1391
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Oh come on. Why would it be her goal to make him uncomfortable? She's putting in alot of effort to go on a date with him. Also, it should be uncontested that she wants to be with him - at the end of the last episode she realized that she was feeling jealousy over him. The only things she made him do were date-related stuff like linking arms or buying her a little present. She didn't even get angry at him when he fell asleep while she was revealing important and partly painful personal stuff about herself.

While Natsuru himself has at least the excuse that he can't be sure about her motives, this excuse does not extend to us, the omniscient viewers. Let's not try to outdo Natsuru in thickness, folks ^_^;
I only meant from his perspective.
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Old 2009-11-23, 03:36   Link #1392
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OMG a pool episode

also

Woot akane has a 1% fighting chance now all it left is for the president to have a part in his brain anso does mokoto hahahaha
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Old 2009-11-23, 04:13   Link #1393
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Natsuru's logic in thinking that the date was a ruse to draw out the white Kampher does make sense when you consider that 1, a new enemy has appeared (at least new to him). 2, Shizuku is a smart girl and logically wouldn't ignore the new threat and just go out on a date unless there was a strategic reason. 3, Shizuku has used him before as a means to accomplish certain goals (tagging along with him when his girl-form was invited to Kaede's house to gain information). Not to mention that Shizuku enrolled his girl-form to the female division of their school, started the rumor that he and girl-Natsuru were dating which cause all kinds of misunderstandings, and blackmailed him into participating in the Miss Seitetsu beauty contest. It should be pretty obvious why he is distrusting of her intentions.

Of course, any normal person would realize halfway through that date that it was a REAL date. But this is Natsuru we are talking about. Shizuku doesn't help her case in not plainly stating to him her feelings (i.e. “好き です”). Dropping subtle hints like "You can call me Shizuku", "If you want to be my boyfriend...", "Is your heart thumping? Well, mine is", and "I don't mind if you stay over" isn't enough to get through to Natsuru. Although I doubt telling him straight up will convince him either.
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Old 2009-11-23, 04:30   Link #1394
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"Natsuru's logic" ...

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He's clearly suffering brain damage.
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Old 2009-11-23, 04:39   Link #1395
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"Natsuru's logic" ...

Spoiler:

He's clearly suffering brain damage.
HAHAHAHA lol.He's really one of the stupidest harem leads ive seen.Wonder if the author ever wanted to make Natsuru a parody to dumb harem leads.
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Old 2009-11-23, 05:02   Link #1396
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HAHAHAHA lol.He's really one of the stupidest harem leads ive seen.Wonder if the author ever wanted to make Natsuru a parody to dumb harem leads.
Considering the school where he comes from.. his background really doesn't surprise me.

I can also imagine why there's a barrier between the boys and girls side.
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Old 2009-11-23, 05:12   Link #1397
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Before the "Natsuru is oh so focused on the Kämpfer war" narrative spreads too much: You do realize that when Shizuku started to explain a couple of important and interesting things, he fell asleep, right?

In the anime, Natsuru is very passive. Except for his highlight scene "rescue Sakura-san" and the subsequent fight against Shizuku, he's mostly been dragged around (usually against his will). Things are done for him and to him, and he tries to somehow deal with the difficulties. Which in itself isn't a bad thing, but we should not consider him a highly active mover and shaker. Otherwise it would have been his duty to use the Shizuku date to learn more about the whole Kämpfer deal.
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Old 2009-11-23, 05:22   Link #1398
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Before the "Natsuru is oh so focused on the Kämpfer war" narrative spreads too much: You do realize that when Shizuku started to explain a couple of important and interesting things, he fell asleep, right?

In the anime, Natsuru is very passive. Except for his highlight scene "rescue Sakura-san" and the subsequent fight against Shizuku, he's mostly been dragged around (usually against his will). Things are done for him and to him, and he tries to somehow deal with the difficulties. Which in itself isn't a bad thing, but we should not consider him a highly active mover and shaker. Otherwise it would have been his duty to use the Shizuku date to learn more about the whole Kämpfer deal.
What? Someone using Shizuku for their own gains? Instead of the other way around? Inconceivable!
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Old 2009-11-23, 05:36   Link #1399
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What? Someone using Shizuku for their own gains? Instead of the other way around? Inconceivable!
This is what's frustrating me a bit. A character as well-defined, interesting and smart as Shizuku would be pure gold if she had a strong counterpart able to stand up to her. To make the gives and takes more balanced.

Also, as someone who really appreciates quality flirting, I was grinning at Shizuku's various openings (like, for example, her dokidoki comment on the train), but alas, Natsuru dropped them all. Ouch >_<

Ah well. There's hope. And at least, it gives a looong opportunity for gradual improvement.
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Old 2009-11-23, 06:00   Link #1400
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male natsuru really is the male lead type that i hate the most... whats with that otherworldy density of his anyway
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