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Old 2009-11-21, 15:06   Link #4901
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If I didn't mess up, then...

Yukariko was alive during the EoTW arc. She died a year or two later. Mikado's objective was "power" (ch 241), perhaps he changed it later, after her death? It's strange how he kept all those gems with him, but nothing ever happened to him. Yukariko also found a gem with Wataru's mom, right? I haven't read the chapter, so I dunno. Perhaps Mikado wasn't aware of that, and it slowly killed her? Perhaps the gems negative influence varies depending on the individual, or the type of gem. Hayate gets hit by cars, while Yukariko died from some disease (an unknown one at that if I'm not mistaken?? <- completely unsure if it was from disease...)

Hina's parents left around the time of the EoTW arc. They might be somehow involved with the whole RG thing. Athena said that things were still getting researched in the RG. Perhaps they were researchers? Any ideas about their occupations? I think I remember bar seats, or something... hmm.. probably just me...

Himegami was somehow involved with the RG. He left Nagi a while before Hayate arrived. He's around the same age as Maria and Hayate, because Maria referred to him as "-kun". I'm not sure if it's canon, or if it's from the anime, but if it is, then it's impossible for him to be involved with Yukariko in any way. Unless he's Hayate in disguise, and somehow completely deceived Maria.

If Hayate's "brother" was wearing a school uniform, then he was around 16-20 at the time that the EoTW arc ended. He should be around 26-30 now. Nagi was 3 at that time. It's improbable that he was involved with Yukariko at that time. Yukariko was 22-23 when Nagi was born. He'd be around 13-17 at that time if we judge his age by being a regular student at the time of the EoTW arc. I have no idea how the Japanese school system works, but if people wear uniforms after high school, then it would be possible that he was somehow involved with her if he was older. He might have also attended school at a later age due to various circumstances, but then again, in that flashback someone with lighter hair is depicted... *sigh*

Spoiler for Madness!:
If that's the story best to treat it as burnable rubbish at that point...
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Old 2009-11-21, 15:20   Link #4902
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You recently watched the first Futurama movie, didn't you?
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If that's the story best to treat it as burnable rubbish at that point...
The "madness" part is just something random I thought up in the moment. It was quite fun imagining hobo Hayate. Lol...

Hei.... lol...

nvm..

Anyway, the other parts are facts and unknowns.

If it's canon that Yukariko died from a mysterious disease, then it's probably related to the gem.

Same with Himegami being called "-kun" by Maria, and Hayate's "brother" being in a school at the end of the EoTW arc.

Hina's parents also left her around the time of the EoTW arc.


Well, if nobody has anything to add then I dunno. The only alternatives to picking Nagi or Athena that I know of are the gems, time travel, mysterious other way of separating them, bargaining with Midas, and... umm... dunno~

If it's only Hayate's gem that opens the path, then the others are meant for something else.

Time travel might be used. Hayate x Yukariko > Everything else in existence, anywhere, at any time, my opinion > yours, if not = you die. Eheheh~♥

Don't worry, I'll change my mind soon enough. ^_^
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Old 2009-11-21, 16:33   Link #4903
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heh looks like hinagiku is still not done crying
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Old 2009-11-21, 16:42   Link #4904
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heh looks like hinagiku is still not done crying
I would hope not. It hasn't even been 24 hours.
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Old 2009-11-21, 17:15   Link #4905
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Nagi looks way too happy. Perhaps it's a sign that Hayate will choose Athena? It always feels the best to crush them when they're happiest! Then he'd go to her place yet again, but with Sakuya & Isumi this time. Talk a while, and then break the gem right before his eyes. Midas would leave Athena's body, but since he was in her for such a long time, he saw glimpses of her memories, or perhaps even the things she thought and did, whatever...

Anyway, he'd recall that Hayate somehow ended up in the RG without owning a gem. Even Nagi's mom said that he truly goes anywhere he's called, or something like that.

In short, he'd possess Hayate, preventing Isumi from banishing him to hell. Then using his mysterious powers, he would gain entry to the RG once more. The girls would then join forces to save him.

Conveniently, he'd forget to close the path behind him, being blinded by his greed, and the power that he'll hold once more. With Athena's help, they would find the path and enter the RG to confront Midas.

After an epic battle, or just a barrage of sweet words to wake Hayate from his control, things would return back to normal, or so it would seem...

For a while we'd get comedy scenes, normal every day life including Athena now as well, but the perpetrator that closed the RG would make his move, or perhaps they found out already who it was when they came to rescue Hayate? Well, whatever...

Anyhow, it would be bout time for Mikado to make his move, now that the path to the RG is open again. Perhaps he would go inside and close it to scheme on, or perhaps he'd appear right after Midas' defeat...

Hmmm, who knows? Well, the only thing certain is that Hayate will receive a gift from Nagi for his birthday. It's June or July now, yeh? 4-5 months of manga time to go till November.

Things can still change, though. Perhaps Hata will make it more dramatic by making that day really miserable for both Hayate and Nagi? That would be cool, too, in its own way.
Spoiler for Not for Hina fans, or anyone that overly cares bout what I say...:
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Old 2009-11-21, 17:47   Link #4906
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Looks like Maria was told or realized about something (probably related to what happened to Hayate recently) but is still wondering why Hayate is depressed. Ayumu's words: "You can't regret before you even make a decision", had some impact on Hayate and apparently Hinagiku.

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Old 2009-11-21, 18:28   Link #4907
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Looks like Maria was told or realized about something (probably related to what happened to Hayate recently) but is still wondering why Hayate is depressed.
I don't think she's realised anything. It seems Hina told her something, to which Maria replied "I see, then why does he still look down?". However, I don't think that's related to Athena. I'm sure that, had she been told about that, Maria would have had a different reaction. I'm fairly positive Hina told her something about their date.

Anyway, with all these spoiler pics, I believe we've already seen the entire chapter. The text spoilers have pretty much summarised the entire thing as well. So, I guess we've got nothing to wait for (other than perhaps better pics once the raw is out). Well, there's the spoilers for 251, but those won't come out until a week from now.
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Old 2009-11-21, 22:28   Link #4908
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In short, he'd possess Hayate, preventing Isumi from banishing him to hell. Then using his mysterious powers, he would gain entry to the RG once more. The girls would then join forces to save him.
I have a feeling that this would happen, and it seems though that Midas feeds on negative emotions (just as he takes over Athena when she weakened when she was saddened). For one, Hayate is a treasure trove full of em (or just my imagination), even hinting at a little of his past. He could look so GAR when he shows that grin and superiority, in contrast to his soft spoken nature.

Then we could insert any appearance here for any mysterious character like Himegami who could answer most of the questions in the arc.

(For once I want Hayate to look cool for once in this arc, it's partly demoralizing if he's just plainly trash at this point in the arc).

ch250
A break chapter it is, premonition to something big. I just don't hope that the next chapter is another thinking chapter. Nagi and Ayumu acting happily hoping that it would rub on Hayate (taking note of her discussion with Maria earlier about Hayate's depression). Hina taking a tearfest somewhere, mostly because of her inability to confess to Hayate and another because of the sudden declaration.

I don't really trust Isumi's idea, it wouldn't work that way easily. I foresee a grinning Athena/Midas when the gem is crushed and saying something like "Haha! You think that would solve your problems! <Insert any explanation here about the gem's true power>

I wouldn't really count on about Hayate time traveling to the past and falls in love with Yukariko, he isn't that horn-doggish type, is he? He'll help her, sure. But lovey-dovey? Nah.

I love it when everybody (nearly) is happy, because after a few chapters it's going to be crazy again, those smiles will turned upside-down and cries and tears will be imminent. Bring me tragedy baby!
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Old 2009-11-21, 22:33   Link #4909
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I don't really trust Isumi's idea, it wouldn't work that way easily. I foresee a grinning Athena/Midas when the gem is crushed and saying something like "Haha! You think that would solve your problems! <Insert any explanation here about the gem's true power>
It wouldn't be crazy to think the gems can regenerate or be reforged, either.
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Old 2009-11-22, 08:15   Link #4910
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Crap, I just had another thought thanks to Rah-sama.

So maybe they do break the gem, or use a different method to force him out. Midas then inhabits Hayate since underneath his cheerful exterior he is easily the most cynical and jaded person in the series (for good reason). Now recall how ridiculously incompetent his 'evil side' has been shown to be. Unless you really threaten Nagi, every other time he's had to 'become a demon' he does a really poor job and usually gets walked all over. Midas in Hayate's body wouldn't even be a threat and Isumi may not even bother to separate them. So they go to Japan and everything is normal except for Hayate occasionally causing 80's cartoon villainy that is only mildly annoying. It'd be like having Midas as his Inner Hollow. Damn it! Why can everything in HnG be related to Bleach!

Still it might be cool to an actually evil and scarily competent Evil Hayate too. He would get full control of his Hayate no Gotoku move, probably create a new mortal blow and he wouldn't hold anything back. Cue him suddenly surprising even Athena and Isumi with how awesome he is. Then follow up with him STILL smiling and cheerfully doing whatever Nagi says. That would make this entire arc totally worth it.

As for time travel, let's face it, he already did it once by reaching for a hat/turning around. At this point he'll likely do it again since he was in Greece the last time he did it as well. The fact that Hayate may actually be able to be his own brother may shatter the very fabric of reality, but then they might get Norio Wakamoto as a narrator.

Hinagiku appears to be contemplating the night before, but we don't know yet what conclusions she'll draw. She thought that Hayate was dating Nishizawa because of the Valentine's Day mess (complete with hilarious mental image) so she will likely believe that he is now dating Athena and will not think much of him being depressed still. Alternatively, she notices that he is depressed and wonders if things didn't go well. The knowledge that he and Athena didn't hook up may make her feel better by the end of the chapter and she'll probably finally act more like herself when they go back to Japan knowing that she at least has a chance.

Well that's all ideal anyway. Next chapter could make everyone miserable, it's been that kind of arc so far. Once more, let's hope for good news.
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Old 2009-11-22, 10:51   Link #4911
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So maybe they do break the gem, or use a different method to force him out. Midas then inhabits Hayate since underneath his cheerful exterior he is easily the most cynical and jaded person in the series (for good reason). Now recall how ridiculously incompetent his 'evil side' has been shown to be. Unless you really threaten Nagi, every other time he's had to 'become a demon' he does a really poor job and usually gets walked all over. Midas in Hayate's body wouldn't even be a threat and Isumi may not even bother to separate them. So they go to Japan and everything is normal except for Hayate occasionally causing 80's cartoon villainy that is only mildly annoying.
Does have an evil lair? Can't be an 80's villain without an evil lair!

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As for time travel, let's face it, he already did it once by reaching for a hat/turning around. At this point he'll likely do it again since he was in Greece the last time he did it as well. The fact that Hayate may actually be able to be his own brother may shatter the very fabric of reality, but then they might get Norio Wakamoto as a narrator.
Last time he was in Sicily, Italy. But yeah, he really might time travel, since the actions that he took that day, and that hat are really important.

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Hinagiku appears to be contemplating the night before, but we don't know yet what conclusions she'll draw. She thought that Hayate was dating Nishizawa because of the Valentine's Day mess (complete with hilarious mental image) so she will likely believe that he is now dating Athena and will not think much of him being depressed still. Alternatively, she notices that he is depressed and wonders if things didn't go well. The knowledge that he and Athena didn't hook up may make her feel better by the end of the chapter and she'll probably finally act more like herself when they go back to Japan knowing that she at least has a chance.

Well that's all ideal anyway. Next chapter could make everyone miserable, it's been that kind of arc so far. Once more, let's hope for good news.
More misunderstandings of course! She just can't open up no matter what...

I said once that she might never even confess to him. Imagine that scenario where years have passed and she's reminiscing about her past love, all the misunderstandings that were caused, and how she never confessed. Now that person is long dead (say he sacrificed himself to save the world or something). She puts their group photo that they took at the end of the Greece trip back down, and just then her 6 year old daughter comes and asks why shes sad, then hugs her or some mushy stuff like that...

Or says: Mommy, you said that you would *insert promise here* today!

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Damn, I sure hope that it won't end in a similar way, where we get to see them in the future. Open endings aren't that bad.... harem is better though!

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Old 2009-11-22, 15:24   Link #4912
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The easiest way to solve the crisis.

The old man dies of a heart attack/plane crush/killed by Hayate's evil twin
Nagi gets all the money.
Hayate crush the stone.
Harem ending.
Problem solved.
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Old 2009-11-22, 19:20   Link #4913
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How about this,
Hayate forged a fake stone,
He then destroy the real stone,
He then convinced Mikado that the fake is real,
So both Athena and NAGI survived.
Happy Ending for this arc.
What do you guys think??
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This is NOT Back To The Future,
The is no way Hayate is Nagi's Father,
If it be like that then,
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Old 2009-11-22, 20:42   Link #4914
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I don't think Mikado would be fooled by that.

Anyway, Hayate has already travelled to the past. Nothing says he cannot do it again. But, anyway, Hata said in his blog the guy in that pic was not Hayate. Well, he did add a question mark at the end, but it didn't make any sense.

Personally, I think that pic from chapter 208 is either a big troll, or Hayate's brother. Personally, I think there are good hints/convenient coincidences that may back up the latter. The pic on itself is one, since the guy looks like Hayate. So, if that guy is not Hayate, it may be someone related to him. We also know Yukariko and her husband had a cheap honeymoon (Hayate commented it seemed like something a salary man could pay). Hayate's brother and Yukariko met in chapter 187 (and Hata purposely seemed to have tried to hide her identity by not showing her face, but only her scarf). I've also found it quite odd that Nagi doesn't uses his father's surname. Sure, it may mean nothing, for all we know, they may have agreed on that. I just find it a bit suspicious, and I think it may work as another hint that Nagi's father wasn't a rich guy, but middle class or below.
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Old 2009-11-22, 21:27   Link #4915
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After reading the latest chapter this is what I'd like Hayate to say to Mikado:

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Old 2009-11-22, 21:30   Link #4916
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Raw is out.

5 years anniversary color pages!

Plot-wise, nothing big happened, but really nice transition chapter. Well done on Hayate's inner struggles. The last page is quite moving. Go grub it now!
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Old 2009-11-23, 00:46   Link #4917
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I've also found it quite odd that Nagi doesn't uses his father's surname. Sure, it may mean nothing, for all we know, they may have agreed on that. I just find it a bit suspicious, and I think it may work as another hint that Nagi's father wasn't a rich guy, but middle class or below.
Nagi's father could be rich, but probably not as rich as the Sanzen'in family. It just emphasize on the fact that the Sanzen'in family is really powerful. BTW, has Nagi ever mentioned anything about her father?
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Old 2009-11-23, 01:14   Link #4918
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She just mention that she does't know much about her father.
Really, i gonna kill myself if Hayate IS Nagi's father
Rah,look what have you done to me!!!
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Old 2009-11-23, 01:35   Link #4919
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Nagi's father could be rich, but probably not as rich as the Sanzen'in family. It just emphasize on the fact that the Sanzen'in family is really powerful.
I really doubt Sakuya's father is as rich as the Sanzen'in family.

Anyway, what got stuck in my head was Hayate's line about Yukariko's and her husband's honeymoon being something a salary man could have afforded. I honestly don't think Hata added that just because.

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BTW, has Nagi ever mentioned anything about her father?
She said he died when she was very little. So, she doesn't remember anything about him.

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hahaha those revolve chapters released were pretty awesome xD
Where can I... you know... get more information about these chapters?
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