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Old 2009-11-21, 13:49   Link #4701
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I like to add something to this. The average american is quiet proud of the USA.
I think there's more of a dichotomy among Americans: ultra nationalists and those wary of our government. American pride is not universal, but rather made out to be by those who have it.
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Old 2009-11-21, 15:22   Link #4702
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I think there's more of a dichotomy among Americans: ultra nationalists and those wary of our government. American pride is not universal, but rather made out to be by those who have it.
Even those wary of the government tend to be proud to be an American. They just tend to think that the evil *pick one*(liberals/neo-cons/socalists/facists/whatever) are trying to subvert their beloved nation and turn it into something different. The pride is there, it's just shown in a weird way.
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Old 2009-11-21, 15:53   Link #4703
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yeah, and the girl is still guilty with a juvenile criminal record now.

See also: http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/...ar-old_wom.php (with video this time)

and tasers are not without side effects, especially on 10 year olds or 73 year olds..

and people wonder why some americans distrusts government so much..

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Old 2009-11-22, 02:42   Link #4704
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PS3 with its cheap processing power is being used to stop crime
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Old 2009-11-22, 03:05   Link #4705
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Who uses a 6 character password these days? Most passwords are between 8-16 characters, and sometimes longer depending on what it's for. I think the "so the agents can play killzone" explanation is more likely there.
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Old 2009-11-23, 02:24   Link #4706
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In Europe, most countries' government operate public services like transportation and healthcare.

The UK rail system is largely state owned, such as Transport For London, where the Mayor of London is responsible for it. The Education system is run by the government, and you have state-run General Certificate of Secondary Education (GCSE's) which is run in almost every British school nationally and internationally. I took GCSE's in a British International School and Saudi Arabia, for instance. I'm just laying out some examples here.

The thing is, a lot of activities are much better if the government is running them, like the example of public transportation which, even by definition of the word itself, should be public, not privatized. Capitalism has its pros in the sense that it encourages competition in some areas, but competition can sometimes be more harmful in other sectors, as not everyone will end up having access to a service they are entitled to as human beings.



The example of either Norway or Sweden is a great example of healthcare being accessible to anyone due to this simple fact: it is free. People need healthcare almost as much as they need water, and programs are run entirely by the government. It's not impossible.

If the US spent more money on healthcare instead of focusing so much on fictitious terrorism, they'd be more than capable of doing that as well.

EDIT: To whoever just negged me, you obviously didn't get what I mean. I call it fictitious not because I have no concern over the people families lost. Sure, it's tragic that so many people died. But just because people died doesn't make war right, nor does it make terrorism real. It's an idea that the Bush administration created for its own purposes. Think what you want. If you want to tell me that I said those deaths are wasted, so be it. That's what I believe. And next time, leave your name in the comment. Coward.
1)Good and bad sides to state run, transportation, postal service etc. Off the top of my head, not a big fan of postal or transportation strikes from the consumer POV.

2)GCSE's / A-levels...hmmm used to be challenging. BS now. Gets easier every year. The test is free...wow....last i checked, public high-schools in the U.S were also state run. Of course, in the U.K any school worth its weight in salt is either privately owned or academically selective in nature (grammar school). With the watering down of the UK curriculum too, i'm not seeing the public secondary education as the gold standard it used to be. All state bungled.

3)Human entitlement is all subjective. There is no definition.

4)Define better as it applies to state owned services....what are the trade-offs? There must be some right?

5)"The example of either Norway or Sweden is a great example of healthcare being accessible to anyone due to this simple fact: it is free"

...LOL. SURE.


6)"If the US spent more money on healthcare instead of focusing so much on fictitious terrorism, they'd be more than capable of doing that as well." -


While war and anti-terror money would go a long way to healing the deficit, it is impractical and political suicide to cease it completely. Probably wouldn't fund all the nice newly proposed government programs either. By the way, if you see absolutely no terror threat, especially in the U.K, you have your head up your ass.


You were alright up to now, if not a tad bit idealistic. But then you started typing without thought...

7)"But just because people died doesn't make war right, nor does it make terrorism real. It's an idea that the Bush administration created for its own purposes. Think what you want. If you want to tell me that I said those deaths are wasted, so be it. "


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Old 2009-11-23, 14:59   Link #4707
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First collisions in the Compact Muon Solenoid experiment using the Large Hadron Collider.

This alert and screenshot came graciously through another forum by a good chap that works on the project.
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Old 2009-11-23, 19:59   Link #4708
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Japan, China, S. Korea agree to share info over food safety

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Health ministers from Japan, China and South Korea agreed Monday to share information on food safety and coordinate measures against the outbreak of the new H1N1 influenza virus.

At their third regular meeting held in Tokyo, the ministers signed a memorandum on food safety, which Japan’s Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare said is the first of its kind, and issued a joint statement pledging to boost cooperation on food and health-related issues. Under the memorandum, the three countries will exchange information on their food inspection methods, report food safety problems and dispatch experts.
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Old 2009-11-24, 05:01   Link #4709
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First collisions in the Compact Muon Solenoid experiment using the Large Hadron Collider.

This alert and screenshot came graciously through another forum by a good chap that works on the project.
It is good that we have someone down there in the otaku community. One day he can help us siphon high-end technology to build Gundams and Variable Fighters to rule the world!

No more world powers fighting each other for word domination, only peace where all girls must wear "mimis" as the new world headdress, all schoolgirls must wear zettai ryouiki, all guys must go for Gundam/VF pilot training, all males are to treat their girlfriends and wives like pets and not physically or emotionally abuse them, and there is a compulsory cosplay every weekend.

Anyway, did that experiment yield the legendary Higgs boson?
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Old 2009-11-24, 10:43   Link #4710
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It is good that we have someone down there in the otaku community. One day he can help us siphon high-end technology to build Gundams and Variable Fighters to rule the world!

No more world powers fighting each other for word domination, only peace where all girls must wear "mimis" as the new world headdress, all schoolgirls must wear zettai ryouiki, all guys must go for Gundam/VF pilot training, all males are to treat their girlfriends and wives like pets and not physically or emotionally abuse them, and there is a compulsory cosplay every weekend.

Anyway, did that experiment yield the legendary Higgs boson?
Sorry, it wasn't an otaku forum. Suffice to say that one of the guys on the detector team has other types of discussions about the delivery of high velocity projectiles.

As to finding out anything about the Higgs Boson one way or another, it will likely be quite a while. They generate several petabytes per second (!!) of data. Since there's presently no way to store data at that rate, they have processing systems to do some basic analysis in order to discard most of that data. There is still a huge amount left, though, which they'll pass on to an enormous distributed computing network that will chew on it for a good long time. If it's there, though, we should notice it from the get-go... Once the data is analyzed.

There will be more collisions, and more twiddling of thumbs while each of those experiments is analyzed. Suffice to say we might be waiting a bit.
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Old 2009-11-24, 11:08   Link #4711
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First collisions in the Compact Muon Solenoid experiment using the Large Hadron Collider.

This alert and screenshot came graciously through another forum by a good chap that works on the project.
Isn't it dangerous to create tiny black holes? I heard one such thing can suck up enough matter beyond its events horizon (I think it's marked yellow) to destroy Switzerland and half the France under certain circumstances.
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Old 2009-11-24, 11:42   Link #4712
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Isn't it dangerous to create tiny black holes? I heard one such thing can suck up enough matter beyond its events horizon (I think it's marked yellow) to destroy Switzerland and half the France under certain circumstances.
There's been a lot of concern, but as the good physicists at CERN tell us, according to current known theory, they couldn't create black holes at all... And even if they were wrong about that, they would never have time or mass to become stable... And even if they were wrong about that, they'd still be so small as to be harmless...

Like the rest of the varying schools of thought in modern physics, it's built on a lot of precarious assumptions and hokey religious interpretations of data. In short, a bunch of hooey. The good news is that, a bunch of hooey or not, the math tends to work out. That's basically how it works: We take the math we know works, form our nonsense interpretations, and refine our nonsense as we confirm things that were previously unknown. That's exactly the purpose of these experiments, in fact.

So don't worry: According to most of our divergent hypotheses about how the universe works, we'll probably be fine!
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Old 2009-11-24, 11:43   Link #4713
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This article took me by surprise when I found it.

Obama's nice guy act goes nowhere in the world stage

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When he entered office, US President Barack Obama promised to inject US foreign policy with a new tone of respect and diplomacy. His recent trip to Asia, however, showed that it's not working. A shift to Bush-style bluntness may be coming.
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The mood in Obama's foreign policy team is tense following an extended Asia trip that produced no palpable results. The "first Pacific president," as Obama called himself, came as a friend and returned as a stranger. The Asians smiled but made no concessions.
Well, I, for one, wouldn't like to see a "GWB" like change, but a "Slick Willie" one could be nice. Just skip the Monica-gate and the impeachment please...
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Old 2009-11-24, 12:28   Link #4714
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Isn't it dangerous to create tiny black holes? I heard one such thing can suck up enough matter beyond its events horizon (I think it's marked yellow) to destroy Switzerland and half the France under certain circumstances.
I recommend a good physics book and subscribing to a science journal to keep up with new understanding. Mini-blackholes are a false alarm as the latest mathematics predicts that such things leak and fade away even when fed because of quantum mechanical effects.

Great science fiction plot device but ain't happening.
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Old 2009-11-24, 12:32   Link #4715
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This article took me by surprise when I found it.

Obama's nice guy act goes nowhere in the world stage

Well, I, for one, wouldn't like to see a "GWB" like change, but a "Slick Willie" one could be nice. Just skip the Monica-gate and the impeachment please...
The "asians" (o.O) have got a lot of their own problems to solve. The Chinese are rightfully concerned about the antics passing for politics in the US because they're a major holder of US IOUs/debt. The Japanese just had a major shift in government and have a number of legitimate concerns about the military relationships.

And besides, on the "asian" side of the world, decisions don't usually get made quickly. Anyone who does business there knows that you spend a LOT of time lubricating up the relationship before anything happens.
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Old 2009-11-24, 12:33   Link #4716
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I recommend a good physics book and subscribing to a science journal to keep up with new understanding. Mini-blackholes are a false alarm as the latest mathematics predicts that such things leak and fade away even when fed because of quantum mechanical effects.

Great science fiction plot device but ain't happening.
I second that I find that really scary what people could believe because of their lack of knowledge. And it's like that people could take advandage of you.
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Old 2009-11-24, 12:34   Link #4717
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A good example of human arrogance is to be found with all the misinformed people thinking the LHC is going to usher in some catastrophic apocalypse. As if we're even capable of that (yet?).
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Brussels (Nov 25): A Belgian man wrongly diagnosed as vegetative for 23 years told The Associated Press yesterday that the discovery he was fully conscious brought him a feeling of rebirth after decades of loneliness and frustration.

Car-crash victim Rom Houben was diagnosed as being in a vegetative state but appears to have been conscious the whole time. An expert using a specialised type of brain scan that was not available in the 1980s finally realised it and provided him with the equipment to communicate.

Mr Houben told AP Television News that years of being unable to move or communicate left him feeling "alone, lonely, frustrated, but also blessed with my family".

"It was especially frustrating when my family needed me. I could not share in their sorrow. We could not give each other support," he wrote, punching the words letter by letter into a touchscreen with one finger held by an assistant at the Weyerke institute in eastern Belgium. "Just imagine. You hear, see, feel and think but no one can see that. You undergo things. You cannot participate in life."

Asked how he felt when his consciousness was discovered, he responded: "I especially felt relief. Finally to be able to show that I was indeed there."

The doctor who discovered that Mr Houben had been wrongly diagnosed said that he is re-examining dozens of other cases. Dr Steven Laureys said yesterday that he has discovered some degree of consciousness using state-of-the-art equipment in other patients but won't say how many.

He looks at about 50 cases from around the world a year but none are as extreme as that of Mr Houben, who was fully conscious inside a paralysed body. Many centre on the fine distinction between a vegetative state and minimal consciousness.

"It is very difficult to tell the difference," Dr Laureys said.

His studies showed that some 40 per cent of patients with consciousness disorders are wrongly given a diagnosis of a vegetative state. "It is clearly unacceptable. It is four times out of 10 that they think the patient is in a vegetative state but, in reality, he is minimally conscious," he said.

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Old 2009-11-24, 13:16   Link #4719
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Isn't it dangerous to create tiny black holes? I heard one such thing can suck up enough matter beyond its events horizon (I think it's marked yellow) to destroy Switzerland and half the France under certain circumstances.
This isn't Asura Cryin.
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In the LHC, a similar concept applies as two particles are blasted at each other at high speeds. Due to the Principle Conservation of Energy, combined with threshold energy level of the protons, it breaks up into smaller pieces, which is what the scientists want. Unfortunately, since this test takes place in an almost ideal environment, the Ideal Gas law can be applied, thus the application of the hydrostatic equilibrium and gravitational collapse.

However for a micro black hole to be formed, the total particles must be compressed within this Schwartzchild radius :

R = 2G (Mass of 2 protons) / (speed of light^2)
= 2 (6.67428+/-0.00067 * 10^-11) (2 * 1.672621637 * 10^-27) / (9*10^16)

I calculated the radius to be 4.961575618 * 10^-54 < R < 4.962073687 * 10^-54 metres.

The total surface area of the black hole is between 3.117449902 * 10^-53 < A < 3.117762848 * 10^-53 sq metres.

The gravitational field strength from the event horizon is taken as

g = G (theoretical mass of black hole at moment of formation) / Schwartzchild radius^2

Since the theoretical mass of the black hole at moment of formation is assumed to be the total mass of protons due to being in the vicinity at the moment of gravitational collapse, the gravitational field strength is 4.533939433 * 10^69 < g < 9.070609984 * 10^69 newtons per kg.

However, the large hadron collider has a tunnel with diameter 27000 metres wide, the gravitational field strength at the point of the internal surface of the tunnel will be 1.225080399 * 10^-36 < g < 1.225203380 * 10^-36 newtons per kg, a negligibly small value.

In order to further increase its gravitational force, the micro black hole has to increase its mass. However, it is unable to even exert a decent force to pull particles off the walls of the collider to fatten itself due to the combined magnetic, gravitational, electric and nuclear forces that held the atoms on the surface together.

Secondly, the vacuum inside the collider prevents the micro black hole from appropriating any kind of physical mass to grow itself. There may be a possibility that it may absorb energy and convert it to mass, but the Zeroth law of thermodynamics, combined with Le Chatelier's Principle, requires the black hole to be in thermal equilibrium, and thus it will emit radiation to compensate for the energy absorbed.

Thirdly, as a black hole is known as an unstable mass, it will attempt to stabilise itself by emitting Hawking radiation. The time for the black hole to evaporate is 3.925190770 * 10^-53 < t < 3.925978873 * 10^-53 seconds.

If none of the calculations above are wrong, I have proven outside of Murphy's law that the experiment is perfectly safe.
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Old 2009-11-24, 13:23   Link #4720
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Some basics physics can help understand the glossed over explanations CERN has concerning the safety of the LHC. The actual arguments are far more complex, though, and a basic handbook of physics won't help confirm or deny their math. The good news is that lots of people can do the math have been checking this stuff for a long time. Physics is not free of the "theory religion" that plagues, oh, every branch of science, but math itself and the body of evidence being studied are both pretty concrete. Regardless of the speculation about the still-unknown and the flaws in models of physics, we have math that works.

I think it's intellectually dishonest to overlook the fact that people with real physics educations are the ones who came up with these doomsday scenarios that have caused public alarm, BUT... I don't have a solution for said public alarm. Saying "Don't worry, we checked the math and it's OK," doesn't do much to ease the fears of people who can't do the math regardless of how true it is.

There is one clear fact, though, that should put an end to the debate: We're still here. There's been a collision, but Europe wasn't consumed in a black hole and the universe is still here. I think that at this point, it's safe to say things will be fine.

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