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Old 2009-11-30, 17:29   Link #1021
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what is interesting....

Rubel doesn't want the Organization (his enemy) to get 100% obedient-controllable mass-produced slave weapons (worst case scenario).

Half Awakens at the time was the answer for the Organization to achieve this. So Rubel made sure the Organization never found out about Half Awakens, even if it meant killing them off.

So he tried to kill Clare and maybe Jean (unsure if Rubel found out about Jean being a Half Awaken or not) off (and maybe he had a part in getting the Organization to try to kill off Miria, Deneve, and Helen).

however, it doesn't quite make sense why he-Rubel (remember Clare luckily found him, or else she'd probably be dead-killed) let Clare have her way and get Teresa's head implanted into her becoming a unique new type of Claymore or a test case.

unless... Rubel is building his own forces up....*grins*....

Rubel is "cozy-ally-friends" with Rafaela, a very mysterious very old Claymore with at least the same power as of her Abyssal One sister Luciela, even having some "god-level" yoki power (she tries to revive luciela back from death!), and had something special-terrible that gave "birth" to the Destroyer's conscious-mind and ultimately changed her into the Destroyer.

Rubel is "cozy-ally-friends" with Miria, due to informing her of the truth of the Organization, he got her trust-loyalty-support. Miria is also an extremely powerful Claymore, actually Half Awaken. Miria is also uniquely the #1 Commander. Best leader of all the Claymores.

Rubel is "cozy-ally-friends" with Galatea, due to informing her of the truth of the Organization, especially about Alicia and Beth and the Soul Link. God-Eye Galatea is a very powerful Claymore to have as an ally.

(Rubel sure knows which are the "POWER PLAYERS" to pick for his team....)

Rubel, finally, makes and has CLARE. Clare is an unique Claymore with the flesh of another Claymore implanted into her instead of a normal yoma's flesh, and not just any Claymore, but Teresa herself!!! Clare then becomes a Half Awaken as well. This is at first bad for Rubel...but then due to circumstances...Half Awakens secrecy don't matter that much anymore.... because....

The Organization has found a way to achieve the 100% obedient-controllable mass-produced slave weapons in the form of the Abyss Feeders (which includes using the Soul Link). While individually not as powerful as the Abyssal Ones, they certainly dominated (well that's not really fair as Helen and Deneve were already fighting against Isley before they arrived and fought) against Helen and Deneve. They even killed Isley, an Abyssal One, (through attrition).

This is very bad for Rubel and his (dragons' kins and dragons') side.

Fortunately, he has his perfect forces in place for this:

Extremely powerful Half Awakens:

Clare (SPECIAL) = Clare (her own power) + Rafaela (god-like yoki power and Abyssal One power and knowledge of the Soul Link, Alicia, Beth, and the Destroyer) + Irene (quick sword and power)

Miria (LEADERSHIP and speed)

the God-Eye (powerful yoki user) who also knows about the Soul Link and Alicia+Beth:

Galatea

Lastly:

the Destroyer

(these aren't Rubel's forces but they are also against the Organization):

the other Ghosts (Deneve, Helen, Cynthia, Tabatha, and Yuma) and Miata and Clarice

unknowns (as to which side they'll truely or only be on):

Renee, Dietrich, Audrey, and Rachel

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Old 2009-11-30, 17:33   Link #1022
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I hope someone dies next chapter. As long as it not the F4, I don't care who.
What about Raki, Priscilla, the Destroyer, and Rubel? Shouldn't Clare at least get to confront each, at least one more time, before they die?

So I'm assuming you mean on your death list includes: Org Retrieval Squad Members, Galatea, Mitia, Clarice, Yuma, Cynthia, Tabitha, Beth, Alicia, Riful, Duff, Dietrich, Nina, Renee, Rachael, Audrey, more AFs, Cid, Galk, and Father Vincent. Many of which aren't even in danger, yet...
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Old 2009-11-30, 17:37   Link #1023
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What about Raki, Priscilla, the Destroyer, and Rubel? Shouldn't Clare at least get to confront each, at least one more time, before they die?
Hmmm, I did forget about Raki and The Destroyer.

Ok then. As long as Miria, Clare, Raki, Deneve, Helen and The Destroyer stay alive, I hope that lots of characters die in the next chapters. Just to make the manga more entertaining.

There hasn't been major deaths, with the exception of Isley, since the Northern War.
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Old 2009-11-30, 17:41   Link #1024
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Hmmm, I did forget about Raki and The Destroyer.

Ok then. As long as Miria, Clare, Raki, Deneve, Helen and The Destroyer stay alive, I hope that lots of characters die in the next chapters. Just to make the manga more entertaining.

There hasn't been major deaths, with the exception of Isley, since the Northern War.
So you don't care if Beth (for example) kills off Priscilla next chapter (for whatever reason)... or if Clare shows up and kills Priscilla in 2 panels flat... I'd say that would be very anti-climatic.

To be honest... I want this series of fights to set the stage for the next show down... a death or two is fine but too many too soon would take away from the epicness to come, so to speak. For example I want the big three to now be the org, the ghosts, and the surviving awakened beings lead by Riful (I prefer if both twins were on her side, but only one is fine). I want Priscilla and the Destroyer to be the dynamic that forces them all to act, the Awakened Beings have to stop her since she's eating to much and they need food too... the Ghosts won't stand for her mass feedings... and the Org has no choice but to regain control of the island for the sake of there survival. Though I'd admit I would be fine with another idea too... mainly the org taking in Priscilla since the new Raki creature can control her and having the other two groups both trying to fend of the organizations sheer dominance with those two plus some new AF's from Isley's remains.

I've heard some other good ideas too, of where Claymore should go...
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Old 2009-11-30, 17:47   Link #1025
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Yes, I suposse. But what are the chances of that actually happening?
I bet that Beth dies in 2 chapter. Anyone takes it?
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Old 2009-11-30, 17:52   Link #1026
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Yes, I suposse. But what are the chances of that actually happening?
I bet that Beth dies in 2 chapter. Anyone takes it?
Dies from Priscilla's hand or beaten down so much that Priscilla just doesn't care about her and continues on her way and is picked off by another...
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Old 2009-11-30, 17:55   Link #1027
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Blame that on the Ghosts, MisterJb...

those ghosts prevented many deaths:

they saved (in roughly chronological order):

1. Nina, unknown claymore, unknown claymore, Clarice. (in the northern lands from a 4 AB ambush)

2. Audrey, Rachel, unknown claymore, unknown claymore. (coming south out of the northern lands from Riful)

3. Miata, Clarice, Galatea. (in holy city Rabona from themselves and Agatha)

4. Dietrich, unnamed claymore (rank 30-47), unnamed claymore (rank 30-47), unnamed claymore (rank 30-47). (in the southern lands from an AB)

5. unnamed claymore (rank 14), unknown claymore, unknown claymore, MiB, MiB, (Rubel was there but hiding so wasn't ever in danger). (in Lacroa from a yoma/AB can't remember which it was)

~6. Renee. (in the western lands INDIRECTLY from Riful. Clare's arrival provides Renee with the diversion-opportunity to get away)

Raki:

7. Renee. (in the southern lands or western lands, in raki's home town, from Priscilla, lol)
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as you can see/add that's a lot of characters that could have been dead-killed off, if it weren't for the Ghosts (and Raki).
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Old 2009-11-30, 17:59   Link #1028
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Frankly, aside from Clarice, Miata and Galatea I wouldn't cale those major deaths.
Also, you forgot Father Vincent, Cid and Galk.

Ryus: I guess Priscilla should kill Beth. I can only hope that Alicia fully Awakens from it and kills everything around herself.
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Old 2009-11-30, 18:00   Link #1029
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Hegy is right!
Damn Ghosts, acting like some kind of Claymore police
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Old 2009-11-30, 18:02   Link #1030
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more like... damned good guys... err girls, lol... saving characters... Claymore manga is about killing characters, lol

i actually find it kind of cool...

for most of the manga, the Claymores are killing off stuff (with a few exceptions thanks to Clare)

then the 7 years time frame hits and we have the rebel claymores, the GHOSTS, whom:

then go around and save everyone...


i like the switch Yagi done... but right now... it needs to switch again... back to KILLING OFF characters, *grins*
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Old 2009-11-30, 18:09   Link #1031
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He he I actually tried to look for spoilers
Well, I guess I just proved to myself that I'm a retard for these things
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Old 2009-11-30, 18:15   Link #1032
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It's time to make Clare, Helen and Deneve reunite with Yuma and Cynthia ( I'm dying to know what will be of these two ); resolve Riful and Alicia's battle and give us more info on Raki.

I think the first spoilers will be about Riful, Duff and Alicia.
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Old 2009-11-30, 18:58   Link #1033
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I just thought of something funny...

I want Clare to meet Priscilla this chapter and be all like "You bitch! You Killed Teresa!"

Then Priscilla be all like "Who that?"

I'd so love to see Clare's reaction to that! She could be all like... . Then... Sorry Yuma and Cynthia I know your bleeding to death right now but I must kill this Bitch! Deneve and Helen will catch up to me shortly...


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Old 2009-12-01, 01:39   Link #1034
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i dont want Rufil to die ..
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I just thought of something funny...

I want Clare to meet Priscilla this chapter and be all like "You bitch! You Killed Teresa!"

Then Priscilla be all like "Who that?"

I'd so love to see Clare's reaction to that! She could be all like... . Then... Sorry Yuma and Cynthia I know your bleeding to death right now but I must kill this Bitch! Deneve and Helen will catch up to me shortly...


hehe...
And then Yuma will say to Pricilla: I must tell you before I die, I am your mother ....
that will surely add to the confusion
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Old 2009-12-01, 07:30   Link #1036
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Spoilers here but have not been confirmed:

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クレイモアは双子二人とも覚醒して戦ったけど人型プリシラにあっさり負けた

シンシアは手足全部と内臓一部を失ったのでユマに殺してって頼んだけど、
ユマは妖力同調を試みてシンシアを助けようとする

リフルは遠くでプリシラの強さに驚いてる
Both twin claymores awaken and battle Priscilla, but are easily defeated by her.

Cynthia loses all her limbs and part of her internal organs and begs Yuma to end her suffering. Yuma instead attempts to synchronize her yoki to save Cynthia.

Riful is shocked by Priscilla's strength from afar.

Edit: Forgot to mention that Priscilla defeats both twins in her human form. It doesn't say if they are killed or severely crippled until they can't attack her.

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Old 2009-12-01, 08:11   Link #1037
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Both twin claymores awaken and battle Priscilla, but are easily defeated by her.

Cynthia loses all her limbs and part of her internal organs and begs Yuma to end her suffering. Yuma instead attempts to synchronize her yoki to save Cynthia.

Riful is shocked by Priscilla's strength from afar.


A SPOILER!

Thanks, Weils!

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Old 2009-12-01, 08:20   Link #1038
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Thanks for the spoiler and the translation ( the online ones didn't make any sense ), Weils! BTW, nice Niche and Steak avatar.
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Old 2009-12-01, 08:27   Link #1039
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does this mean priscilla killed them or just injured them? i'm hoping killed cuz i want them twins outta the way. well... if prissy's that powerful, the chances of clare defeating her is close to non-existance.
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Beth's going down on the fourth. Don't you worry about that.
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