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Old 2009-12-02, 06:06   Link #2081
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I just brought that up because the amount of people that hate on Touya because he's doing such a thing, when it's not even his 100% fault. Both are to blame for what's happened.

Could you honestly blame them though? Touya's one of the more infuriating leads in recent memory precisely because of his wishy-washy and indecisive nature. The less-than stable female cast don't really help.

I do realize it's partly due to cross-medium adaptation (from Eroge to anime), but I suppose he's a little less infuriating when you're playing through his viewpoint (and we can't forget that the majority of White Album's player base are male). Why dwell on the why's (and how the protagonist is a douche with serious issues) when you're really after the EV images?

*groans* It's going to be a frustrating few episodes, I'm sure. I really hope it all does NOT end well though. A happy ending would feel like a cop-out at this point.
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Old 2009-12-02, 08:09   Link #2082
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So, I take it that is not just me who is making parallels between Touya and Makoto of School Days....
Its kind of impossible not to compare the two. Although I wish I never watched School Days...

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I just brought that up because the amount of people that hate on Touya because he's doing such a thing, when it's not even his 100% fault. Both are to blame for what's happened.
This is what's so great about this series, and I've been saying it all along. There is plenty for each side to discuss and plenty for them to cite their opinions.

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Could you honestly blame them though? Touya's one of the more infuriating leads in recent memory precisely because of his wishy-washy and indecisive nature. The less-than stable female cast don't really help.

I do realize it's partly due to cross-medium adaptation (from Eroge to anime), but I suppose he's a little less infuriating when you're playing through his viewpoint (and we can't forget that the majority of White Album's player base are male). Why dwell on the why's (and how the protagonist is a douche with serious issues) when you're really after the EV images?

*groans* It's going to be a frustrating few episodes, I'm sure. I really hope it all does NOT end well though. A happy ending would feel like a cop-out at this point.
I was thinking that too, the nature of the source material doesn't help the situation.

I wish he had hopped on that bike after walking out of the cabin, it would have been better.

As for the ending, I don't know what to think.

Just don't tell us anything about the game!
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Old 2009-12-02, 13:34   Link #2083
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I do realize it's partly due to cross-medium adaptation (from Eroge to anime), but I suppose he's a little less infuriating when you're playing through his viewpoint (and we can't forget that the majority of White Album's player base are male). Why dwell on the why's (and how the protagonist is a douche with serious issues) when you're really after the EV images?
Well actually, it was pointed out back when the anime first started being released that Touya was one of the least-liked protagonists in the genre, so it seems like the anime is remaining true to the game in that regard. I don't really think it's fair to say that the game players were tolerating it to get the CGs, or else the game wouldn't have had that reputation. (Well, I should say, the entire idea of reading through an entire long novel just to get a few CGs seems entirely foreign to me as well; it sounds like a poorly-conceived stereotype, but I guess I can't say that it might not be true for some.)
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Old 2009-12-02, 13:59   Link #2084
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...I wish he had hopped on that bike after walking out of the cabin, it would have been better....
Being a fan of Haruka, I'm actually glad he gave in to her. It's what she wanted. Now I'm eager to see her and judge whether it cured her of her addiction to him or made it stronger. And also to see whether his attitude toward her changes.

I like Mana, too, but I'm not expecting the anime to include her in the list, whatever happened in the game.

I don't like Touya, but he's nowhere near as bad as Tamaru. Touya is just weak, not evil. He is not trying to hurt people.
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Old 2009-12-02, 14:38   Link #2085
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(Well, I should say, the entire idea of reading through an entire long novel just to get a few CGs seems entirely foreign to me as well; it sounds like a poorly-conceived stereotype, but I guess I can't say that it might not be true for some.)
*coughs* You're speaking to a woman who's actually guilty of doing that. I suppose it's not that easy for a VN with an actual engrossing plot like Umineko, but for your typical eroge it's very VERY easy to ignore the plot altogether (as most of the time they're cookie-cutter) and just look for gratification.

I sure as darned breezed through To- Heart 2 for that reason. Ditto for the special disc. And December, When there are no Angels. And Tasogare...

Mind, White Album and To-Heart share the same publisher, Leaf. Egads. It's not engrossing literature by a mile.
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Old 2009-12-02, 14:55   Link #2086
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*coughs* You're speaking to a woman who's actually guilty of doing that. I suppose it's not that easy for a VN with an actual engrossing plot like Umineko, but for your typical eroge it's very VERY easy to ignore the plot altogether (as most of the time they're cookie-cutter) and just look for gratification.

I sure as darned breezed through To- Heart 2 for that reason. Ditto for the special disc. And December, When there are no Angels. And Tasogare...

Mind, White Album and To-Heart share the same publisher, Leaf. Egads. It's not engrossing literature by a mile.
Well, I guess I just figure that if you were just after the CGs themselves, there have got to be more efficient ways to that end (the artbooks, if nothing else...). Granted that I haven't played many games by Leaf (only bits and pieces of a few), but I don't think I could take the effort to read through a story if I didn't find it at least somewhat interesting (and wouldn't buy a game if I didn't think it would interest me). I suppose there's always CTRL, but... Given that stories in the medium tend to be getting more complex and involved nowadays, I'm led to believe that many in the audience are in fact interested in reading it (otherwise it would seem a poor investment), but I guess I have no way of knowing that as an absolute fact.

Regardless, though, this game comes from a different era with different expectations, so it's hard to know how exactly how it was perceived at the time in the context of what else was out there.
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Old 2009-12-02, 18:42   Link #2087
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*snips*
We're both generalizing a bit, but I think there's a clear difference between games that have a complex story but throw in sex as a means to garner interest (re: Nasuverse games, stuff from KEY), and games where scoring the girl is literally a primary motivator to play (re: Sengoku Rance, Eushully Soft games). The genre is quite varied after all.

WHITE ALBUM came out nearly the same time as To Heart (the first one, which strangely enough served as the template for the SOL OVA), at a time games were shifting over to more complex stories, but the framework still remained the same. To give an idea, Kizuato (also from LEAF) came out afterwards, and it centered around four sisters to snag, and actually involved bondage at one point.
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Old 2009-12-04, 18:45   Link #2088
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Hmm, so what happened this week for those lucky few on here who were able to see it live?
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Old 2009-12-05, 02:57   Link #2089
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Not exactly live, but.... Don't read if you don't want to be very spoiled.
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Old 2009-12-05, 03:16   Link #2090
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@Kaoru Chujo: It seems I am going to enjoy this episode...I except some quite interesting developments in the nex one too
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Old 2009-12-05, 05:07   Link #2091
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Not exactly live, but.... Don't read if you don't want to be very spoiled.
Spoiler for ep23:
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Old 2009-12-05, 08:22   Link #2092
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Old 2009-12-05, 08:48   Link #2093
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Old 2009-12-05, 10:50   Link #2094
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Old 2009-12-05, 11:11   Link #2095
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Egads, only Mana and Rina left.
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Old 2009-12-05, 11:34   Link #2096
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I strongly suspect Touya will end up being a karma houdini'

Then again, you can't put all the fault on him, either

I mean the girls do want his ****
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Old 2009-12-05, 12:02   Link #2097
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Old 2009-12-05, 14:06   Link #2098
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Spoiler for ep23:
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Old 2009-12-05, 14:07   Link #2099
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Old 2009-12-05, 15:18   Link #2100
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Well, it seems the thing started in the previous episode continues. Touya closes his relationships with the others. IIf it keeps up then he really is going to end up with somone in the end despite Mei19's wishes.

It's still uncertain who's going to be that certain someone.
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