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Old 2009-12-12, 00:14   Link #461
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Well, you don't have to take it so personally. It's not just Lelouch, I pretty much disapprove of anyone who uses methods like that (and war in general). The thing about Lelouch though is...well, he didn't have to enjoy so damn much.
Yeah, Lelouch was a real sadist I'm sure <_<

Bully for you though, because you know, you don't actually have to deal with making those kinds of decisions or shoulder those responsibilities or even bother to look at it from their perspective, so its real easy to sit there and criticize. At least Lelouch tried to end war in general, and that speaks far more volumes than what I'm hearing from the rest of you. Because you know what? Talk is cheap, and they don't amount to results unless followed through with action.

I just get frustrated when I see people naively think they can make everything better and do nothing in return, because often times, they just make it a hell of a lot worst. That's not the reality we live in unfortunately, and it wasn't the reality Lelouch got to enjoy.

Look, I'm tired or reading this or arguing in response, can we please drop this subject already and get back on topic? >_>
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Old 2009-12-12, 00:21   Link #462
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Yeah, Lelouch was a real sadist I'm sure <_<
Lelouch's maniacal laughing tends to prove that assertion.

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Bully for you though, because you know, you don't actually have to deal with making those kinds of decisions or shoulder those responsibilities, so its real easy to sit there and criticize. And in the end, at least Lelouch tried to end war in general, and that speaks far more volumes than what I'm hearing from the rest of you. Because you know what? Talk is cheap, and they don't amount to results.

Look, I just get frustrated when I see people naively think they can make everything better and do nothing in return, because often times, they just make it a hell of a lot worst. That's not the reality we live in unfortunately, and it wasn't the reality Lelouch got to enjoy.
You're right, I don't have to shoulder those responsibilities because I would never make it as a military leader or strategist and frankly I don't want any parts. I'm just saying that, in my humble opinion as a nobody (see, now you know where my name comes from) that I didn't approve of many of Lelouch's actions. But perhaps we should drop this right now, because it's not a big deal and it's not worth killing each other over.

EDIT: Yep, I agree.
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Old 2009-12-12, 00:29   Link #463
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Lelouch's maniacal laughing tends to prove that assertion.
And you know, his numerous examples of disgust, or aid to others can be disregarded while his rather less then morally upright enemies getting the shaft deserve his pity for some reason. And I define sadist as someone who solely takes pleasure in causing pain to others for no apparent reason. I don't believe that applies to Lelouch.

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You're right, I don't have to shoulder those responsibilities because I would never make it as a military leader or strategist and frankly I don't want any parts. I'm just saying that, in my humble opinion as a nobody (see, now you know where my name comes from) that I didn't approve of many of Lelouch's actions. But perhaps we should drop this right now, because it's not a big deal and it's not worth killing each other over.

EDIT: Yep, I agree.
My problem is though is that you're disregarding the fact that these decisions have to be made in the end. I don't like it sometimes, but I live and try to make the best of it. And I don't get on a high-horse and get involved or start making judgements without understanding the context of the situation or if what I think should be done matches the reality on the ground, because quite frankly the world doesn't give a hoot about what I think, at the bare minimum they might recognize what I do, and that in the end has real consequences.

But yes, let's drop it already and get back to the topic at hand shall we?
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Old 2009-12-12, 00:31   Link #464
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Personally, if Taniguchi and Okōchi ever decide to revive Lelouch, I don't think it'd take away any meaning from the death he got in R2. Lelouch decided to die for all the sins he had committed (honestly, other than the massacre in the Geass Order, I never saw Lelouch committing any major sin, considering they were fighting against oppression, but that's just my opinion), and thus he sought for that kind of end. However, if for some reason... say, he accidentally inherited V.V.'s Code (this is just a hypothetical case, please don't take it seriously), and he received the opportunity to continue living, I think that'd be quite meaningful as well.

To begin with, he'd still technically count as dead, since he'd be unable to return to his previous life, to the people he cared about. So, in that way, he'd still be living under punishment (not to mention immortality is quite a punishment on itself, as evidenced by C.C.). However, he'd be able to start again. He'd be able to do good, without finding himself in any major conniving situations. Not only that, but Lelouch was someone who, deep down inside, really wanted to enjoy life, but he was too stubborn to do so, since he wanted to have his revenge as well, and became too focused on that that he couldn't enjoy the good things he had. A second opportunity to live would allow him to do good (naturally, in a much minor scale), and to enjoy life. He'd be like a hobo, just that a FABULOUS one.

Anyway, as I've said before, the staff has pretty much kept him dead. So, even if one day they decide to revive him, for the time being, that's nothing but wishful thinking. All the same, theorising is fun, as long as we don't take this seriously, and as long as we respect what the staff has said.
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Old 2009-12-12, 00:42   Link #465
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To be exact, the given reason for Lelouch's decision in death was because he used Geass on others.

However, I would like to point out that this subject has little to do with the release of a new project. I vote the entire subject gets dropped.
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Old 2009-12-12, 00:53   Link #466
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To be exact, the given reason for Lelouch's decision in death was because he used Geass on others.
Ah... I see. Killing himself was still too much of a drastic decision, but all the same, it's my opinion.

Anyway, I agree on dropping the subject. Perhaps, any theorising can be carried out in another thread.

By the way, was there any new info in Newtype? The magazine was supposed to be released on the 10th, right?
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Old 2009-12-12, 00:57   Link #467
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Oh damn, I started a flame war. I'm sorry guys I didn't mean to get people at each other's throats. Totally my fault, though what I said wasn't taken in the way I intended it. When I said that Lelouch was being stupid, what I mean't wasn't just that he had other options to avoid needless bloodshed (as others here have already pointed out).

What I meant though is that I feel he sacraficed too much on a personal level for ZR, and hurt those closest to him the most. If he had chosen a route with less bloodshed in the final story arc he could have given himself and those he cared about a much happier ending while still getting world peace.

To me it just seemed like he caused needless pain to himself and those he loved the most, THAT is why I called him stupid, though yes that is too harsh.

Just explaining myself here, not trying to continue the flame war so can we please keep it on topic? And once again sorry for stirring the pot.
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Old 2009-12-12, 01:52   Link #468
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Oh damn, I started a flame war. I'm sorry guys I didn't mean to get people at each other's throats. Totally my fault, though what I said wasn't taken in the way I intended it. When I said that Lelouch was being stupid, what I mean't wasn't just that he had other options to avoid needless bloodshed (as others here have already pointed out).

What I meant though is that I feel he sacraficed too much on a personal level for ZR, and hurt those closest to him the most. If he had chosen a route with less bloodshed in the final story arc he could have given himself and those he cared about a much happier ending while still getting world peace.

To me it just seemed like he caused needless pain to himself and those he loved the most, THAT is why I called him stupid, though yes that is too harsh.

Just explaining myself here, not trying to continue the flame war so can we please keep it on topic? And once again sorry for stirring the pot.
And I think they're being naive and shortsighted by pounding on him for a decision that was in the end effective in achieving his goal despite what they may say.

Hindsight greater then foresight in any event. And true Lelouch ended up sacrificing a lot of himself, but that makes him more admirable in that he would put the well being of the world and giving a future to those he cares for, even if it is without him. I think people are far too optimistic in thinking they can do something as far-reaching without expecting some kind of sacrifice in the end, whether personal or physical. Out of all the options, I can see why he thought his would be the one that would be able to unify the world in the most effective way, and in a long-term perspective would have caused the least amount of bloodshed through the unification of the world and hatred toward him, holding him as an example of scorn for generations to come on every corner of the world. It might be somewhat saddening to note, but people seem to remember pain and tragedy far more vividly then they remember hope, but in this event Lelouch gave them both through him as a Demon and Suzaku as Zero.

But yes, apology accepted, and now that I have explained myself let us get back on topic.

It seems like the manga will be the only venture of this Renya of the Darkness storyline, if there are multiple projects in the works then most likely their will be another or possibly a variety of different stories that will be featured soon enough, so I believe those who have misgivings about the manga should probably lessen their worry under this... speculation of mine that seems logically sound, that there will be more then just this prequel and manga. If that is the case, I don't much see a way to avoid offering some kind of animated project as well, whether a new season, an OVA, or a movie in any event.
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Old 2009-12-12, 01:56   Link #469
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How many times has it been suggested that this discussion be put out of its misery now? Really. I'm not usually one to mini mod, but take it to the Lelouch thread already. >_>
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Old 2009-12-12, 01:58   Link #470
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How many times has it been suggested that this discussion be put out of its misery now? Really. I'm not usually one to mini mod, but take it to the Lelouch thread already. >_>
I'm done, I'm done, so long as no one else brings it up <_<
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Old 2009-12-12, 02:21   Link #471
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I've found another summary in the following LJ (please forgive me if this has been posted already).

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Who is this young man with an artificial arm? His name is Renya, 17 years old. He's a boy who was raised isolated in a certain village. His special skill is unfailing accuracy with throwing shuriken. When he meets with the mysterious woman C.C., he learns about the outside world!

Who is the identity of this mysterious man who resembles Lelouch? Could he be Renya's enemy? Dreaming of immortality, he seems to be planning to make the world his own. Although it seems that he has some sort of suspicious power, his true self is unknown.

This young woman is one we all know-- The immortal witch C.C. She has arrived in Edo, seeking a new contract with someone. Who will she choose to be her contracted partner?


And the little chart in the corner...

Geass rating: 2
Originality rating: 5
Challenge rating: 4
Shock rating: 5
Addiction rating: 2
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Old 2009-12-12, 02:22   Link #472
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Im reporting every person after this post who so much as brings up the lelouch is dead or alive topic.
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Old 2009-12-12, 07:34   Link #473
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I figured the flamming would happen sooner or later.. though I don't get why people would start a flame war over something of another geass universe...
This is almost getting to the point where we need a "Leave Lelouch alone!" video.. good idea though, would make many laughs
But seriously.. anyone even saying the two words Lelouch and alive doesn't belong here, the new project is set in edo... now they invented many things in the anime-verse EXCEPT a time machine... and so far it doesn't even fit in the ani-verse either.. it is a different story all together, now pack your Lelouch-fanclub bags and move it somewhere else =)
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Old 2009-12-12, 07:41   Link #474
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Hu. I don't see anyone claiming that Lelouch is alive.
Maybe I missed something?

Anyway, let's drop it.
Hm. I'm not sure how interested I am in that new Code Geass. I easily come to dislike prequels, as I already now the ultimate outcome. But it really depends on a lot of factors, so I'll just wait and see.
I'd have preferred an anime, though.
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Old 2009-12-12, 12:30   Link #475
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I've found another summary in the following
LJ (please forgive me if this has been posted already).
Hmm, this is interesting, two quick points I'll make is that I thought C.C was choosing Renya to begin with, but having an option between him and the Lelouch-lookalike certainly adds possibilities.

Another thing is what exactly is that rating score at the bottom mean, if you don't mind explaining?
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Old 2009-12-12, 12:49   Link #476
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Hmm, this is interesting, two quick points I'll make is that I thought C.C was choosing Renya to begin with, but having an option between him and the Lelouch-lookalike certainly adds possibilities.

Another thing is what exactly is that rating score at the bottom mean, if you don't mind explaining?
The rating that the some people from Newtype give it that have reviewed this new project. Like movie ratings, but then for this
The geass rating is prob about.. well geass, how much about geass it contains
Originality speaks for itself
Challenge, how big of a challenge will the main character will have to fight through
Shock rating, plot twists and all that, thing to make us go @-@ WTF AMI READN
Addiction rating, how hooked it will be
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The rating that the some people from Newtype give it that have reviewed this new project. Like movie ratings, but then for this
The geass rating is prob about.. well geass, how much about geass it contains
Originality speaks for itself
Challenge, how big of a challenge will the main character will have to fight through
Shock rating, plot twists and all that, thing to make us go @-@ WTF AMI READN
Addiction rating, how hooked it will be
Are these just a guess from what you think they mean or an actual scale they use?
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Who is the identity of this mysterious man who resembles Lelouch? Could he be Renya's enemy? Dreaming of immortality, he seems to be planning to make the world his own. Although it seems that he has some sort of suspicious power, his true self is unknown.
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Lelouch look-alike is the bad guy. This makes me feel warm and fuzzy.
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Are these just a guess from what you think they mean or an actual scale they use?
Some I am certain of that they use, the only one I am a little uncertain of is the geass rating
Don't look that much at the ratings, unless they are all horrible. They are all for promotion to get more readers, it isn't anything to be taken very seriously because it goes by the opinion of the reviewers, an individual reader may think differently
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