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Old 2009-07-26, 18:44   Link #2341
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Yes but you generally won't have that chance very often. How often will that many KMF be in perfect position to hit everyone at once even at close range?
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Old 2009-07-26, 18:46   Link #2342
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Yes but you generally won't have that chance very often. How often will that many KMF be in perfect position to hit everyone at once even at close range?
doesnt have to be all that many enemies at the same time
say you face one enemy in single combat
you attack with one hand, he blocks with one of his
you attack with the other hand, he blocks with the other
then you slash him with the wings while he's arms are busy
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Old 2009-07-27, 18:05   Link #2343
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Well yes but I thought you were implying a Freedom like "use all weapons at once" kind of attack to destroy the masses. I don't think that would work.
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Old 2009-07-27, 18:06   Link #2344
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Well yes but I thought you were implying a Freedom like "use all weapons at once" kind of attack to destroy the masses. I don't think that would work.
well that would be a bit too much
it gives it more fighting options at the same time
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Old 2009-09-11, 22:04   Link #2345
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Why is it that the Guren Nishiki is able to match the speed and maneuverability of the Lancelot? Does it have sakuradite embedded into its entire frame as well?
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Old 2009-09-11, 23:48   Link #2346
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Why is it that the Guren Nishiki is able to match the speed and maneuverability of the Lancelot? Does it have sakuradite embedded into its entire frame as well?
Maybe. Rakshata thinking to use the method as Lloyd isn't that farfetched. Alternatively, maybe Rakshata's just better with frame design, and so the Guren gets better mileage, so to speak. Lloyd does comment that her frames are extremely modular and easy to modify. Lloyd's are much less so. His department seems to be weapons.
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Old 2009-09-12, 01:07   Link #2347
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Or, when Lloyd and Cecille played with the guren like two children are disassembling and assembling their toys...they added inside it the same yggrasil, generators and sakuradite super-conductors of last generation used for the Lancelot.
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Old 2009-09-12, 02:45   Link #2348
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Or, when Lloyd and Cecille played with the guren like two children are disassembling and assembling their toys...they added inside it the same yggrasil, generators and sakuradite super-conductors of last generation used for the Lancelot.
He's talking about at the start of the show, where it's flightless Lancelot vs flightless Guren. Back then Lancelot had all these cool new features, then the Guren comes in made by Rakshata and pwns it.
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Old 2009-09-12, 04:09   Link #2349
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every 7th gen model (guren, gekka, vincent, shen-hu) can match the lancelot for speed and manuverability
it doesnt have to do with the sakuradite frame

the frame allows it to power the new techs that were only theory in the 6th gen (MVS, MSV, VARIS, harken boosters)
the lancelot has more 6th gen weapon systems then any other unit built into it (and even more of them later on)
the guren only has one such feature, with the rest being old weapons of the sort you'll find on mook machines
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Old 2009-12-15, 18:01   Link #2350
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an interesting observation i have about the KMF generations in the show is this

every new "generation is designed to counter the previous gens
the 4th gens are built to combat traditional combat machines like tanks
the 5th was built with the idea that it would also have to deal with other frames like the 4th gens
the 7th gens, in addition to applying 6th gen theoretic weapons, seem to be designed specificlly to fight other KMF's almost exclusively (the fukshahado or MVS seem built for the task)
the 8th gens seem to say "so you have very fast land based KMF's, well in that case, we have flight enabled ones" and designed specificlly to be used with float units (the mordred and tristain for example are pretty much designed from scratch to have them)
and the 9th gen seems to say "so you have flight enabled KMFs, well, we have KMF's specificlly designed to fight against OTHER flight enabled units" and give the 9th gens MUCH better flight speed and maneuverability in the air

every new gen is built to counter the old ones by focusing specificlly on countering the advantages the last gen developed
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Old 2009-12-15, 18:40   Link #2351
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every new gen is built to counter the old ones by focusing specificlly on countering the advantages the last gen developed
This is generally the purpose of war itself.

You you fists, we use sticks.
You use sticks, we use sharpened sticks.
... ... ...
You use swords, we use guns.
You use guns, we make armor.
... ... ...

You use tanks, we make bigger tanks to fight them.
... ... ...

Technological warfare is pretty much nothing but finding way to counter your enemies' advantages. It's hardly unique to Code Geass.
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Old 2009-12-19, 12:21   Link #2352
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Has anyone covered the effects of the largest source of Sakuradite in the world being used as a giant bomb's effect on future weapons production?
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Old 2009-12-19, 12:23   Link #2353
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sakuradite is used in MORE then simply weapons
its pretty much the geass equivalent of fuel or coal (it powers the entire tokyo settlement)
nobody wants to admit that Lelouch just triggered an energy crisis of epic proportions
kinda makes it harder to like him if you do
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Old 2009-12-19, 12:33   Link #2354
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I'm well aware of what Sakuradite is and what it does. It doesn't power anything, it's an energy dense and super conductive (Also flammable) material making it great for power transmission, electronics, and batteries(fillers). The Tokyo Settlement is powered by the skyscraper sized solar panels you see all around it.

Now the question was what it would do to weapons production, specifically the ultra high powered 7th gen wundermachines that probably have no smoking signs on them due to the Sakuradite content in them.
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Old 2009-12-19, 12:39   Link #2355
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the moment Lelouch triggers the gefun disterbers in tokyo, the entire city shuts down
and gefun disturbers only effect sakuradite based tech
sakuradite is a main component for most technology

as for the next gen KMF's
its clear they would start to develop more powerful ones in lesser numbers while phasing out the lesser gens
which is what normally happens during peace times
each side gets an army that is smaller in numbers but each unit is more powerful
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Old 2009-12-20, 07:15   Link #2356
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Has anyone covered the effects of the largest source of Sakuradite in the world being used as a giant bomb's effect on future weapons production?
For all we know he might've done it anyway after winning so no-one could build anymore FLEIJA warheads. Just because Nina says she won't build any doesn't mean someone else couldn't get their hands on the data/instigate their own R&D program.

FLEIJA would be a greater threat to world peace than any army, since i doubt anyone on the good side would have the resolve to do what Lelouch did to deal with them i.e. we have reserves. And if by some miracle they did they'd get the boot quickly for being a fucking looper.
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Old 2009-12-20, 23:54   Link #2357
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This is generally the purpose of war itself.

You you fists, we use sticks.
You use sticks, we use sharpened sticks.
... ... ...
You use swords, we use guns.
You use guns, we make armor.
... ... ...

You use tanks, we make bigger tanks to fight them.
... ... ...

Technological warfare is pretty much nothing but finding way to counter your enemies' advantages. It's hardly unique to Code Geass.
your mechs have skates, ours have wings
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Old 2009-12-24, 18:38   Link #2358
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The Tokyo settlement was was powered by Sakuradite? News to me.

I always thought it was powered by those giant solar panels spread all over the settlement...
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Old 2009-12-24, 18:46   Link #2359
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The Tokyo settlement was was powered by Sakuradite? News to me.

I always thought it was powered by those giant solar panels spread all over the settlement...
Not powered by sakuradite, this would be misleading. Most technology, however, does use sakuradite as a component. It's a room-temperature superconductor.
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